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[oliver]

can I leave my snake with his live mouse all nite i want him to eat it
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OLiver

[tdherper]

Do Not leave the live mouse overnight

[HetForHuman]

Ummmm not a good idea. If the snake does not want to eat it wont eat.
Plus the mouse could inflict serious wounds if not kill the snake. If feeding live you should be sitting right there watching to make sure nothing happens. We do not need to see anymore dead or dying snakes from rodent wounds.

[oliver]

Thanks i thought so

[ATBlover]

even if you were sitting there...the mouse could get one good bite on the top of the snakes head and puncture his brain..seeing how they have no skulls!...Connor....but still dont leave the live in there overnight...

[CamHanna]

You can feed however you like. But if you leave a live mouse overnight, something like this might happen.

There is an image of a mouse-chewed ball python here (http://www.proexotics.com/graphics/ball_python_live_prey_1.jpg).

Edited to remove picture. Link provided. Sorry if I've offended anyone.

[sapphire_moon]

I don't know if this is true, but I have heard that at the time of the picture, THAT snake was still alive :O :(

rodent lover or snake lover, don't leave a live prey item in with your snake when you aren't around to supervise.

[beanersmysav]

If that's still alive I don't even think I'd let it live long enough to see the gas chamber that would suck so bad.

[CamHanna]

Yes, that ball python was still alive when the photo was taken.
From the Pro Exotics FAQ (http://www.proexotics.com/FAQ_answers_Why_do_you_suggest_feeding_thawed.html )
this Ball python is still very much alive, but must be put down as soon as possible

[Slannesh]

Originally posted by ATBlover
even if you were sitting there...the mouse could get one good bite on the top of the snakes head and puncture his brain..seeing how they have no skulls!...Connor....but still dont leave the live in there overnight...

Umm, not sure where you heard that, but i'm quite certain ball pythons have skulls.

Leaving live rodents in with snakes is a very bad idea however. If you must feed live make sure your know how to do so properly. (Stunned, or at the very least restrained)

[ATBlover]

srry..oi said they dont have skulls...they do but their skulls arent very thick so it wouldnt be too hard for a mouse to penetrate through it....also i was just saying it could happen anytime.....but i still wudnt leave it in overnight unless i was feeding something smal and it was just a pinkie or hopper...Connor

[pythonmdk]

Your snake has the thermal burn right? If that is the case he probably isn't eating because of stress and by leaving a mouse in there you could be making his over all health worse! Have you taken him to the vet yet to confirm how bad it is and start treatment? I think at this point feeding is the last of your worries.
~John

[pablo111]

in my opinion the ONLY way to feed "live food" is to feed live food that is stroked out, unconscious, or immobile.

I just grab a rat by its midsection and smack its head off a table with about 140lbs of pressure. Kills em dead.

The hind legs keep twitching, making a snake think its a rodent in distress (easy kill) and in my experience, snakes like animals like this more than "fully alive" animals....

[daver676]

CamHanna,

Could you please link to that pic from now on instead of posting it directly. It's not something that I, or probably lots of others, enjoy looking at.

[thunder]

Originally posted by ATBlover
i still wudnt leave it in overnight unless i was feeding something smal and it was just a pinkie or hopper...Connor

hoppers can bite too. nippy little guys, they are. my rule of thumb: if its eyes are open it is not to be trusted. if your snake absolutely refuses to take pre-killed, i'd break the mouse's jaw just to be sure. even if you are there watching, you can't always react fast enough, and safer is better.

[munchy]

i cant believe people are still asking this lol. just wack the mouse out and leave it in there dude. its really not worth it...

[sapphire_moon]

no, don't "just whack the mouse" I've had mice that I couldn't even find a heart beat on "miraculsly(sp?)" come back alive!
when they looked and for all apearence sake appeared dead! If you do that you MUST make absolute sure the mouse is dead, once wacked do a cervical dislocation (break the neck).

[munchy]

Originally posted by sapphire_moon
no, don't "just whack the mouse" I've had mice that I couldn't even find a heart beat on "miraculsly(sp?)" come back alive!
when they looked and for all apearence sake appeared dead! If you do that you MUST make absolute sure the mouse is dead, once wacked do a cervical dislocation (break the neck). thats right. i should have been more specific...;)

[HumphreyBoagart]

I'm with Daver676.
Cam I really didn't want to see that at all. Please post a link with a warning on it instead.
Thanks
Hump.

[marisa]

Reality bites. It's a FACT that can happen to snakes when you feed live. It's a risk. It's something newbies to the hobby MUST see.

But yes maybe a link next time instead seeing as some find it too much. :D

Marisa

[ATBlover]

thunder..thats what i was saying..it could happen in less then 5 seconds...but hence the word "small" meaning young..no eyes open..but i get what you meant...Connor

[HumphreyBoagart]

Marissa,
I'm not a "newbie", and I didn't really want to see that. If there was a link than you have the choice. That's like me posting pictures of a bunch of mangled bodies after a car accident, and saying "see what can happen to all you new drivers." I aggree with you that it is a fact of reality and alot of newbies should see what can happen if you feed live, but a link to the picture with a warning would have been alot more tasteful. Just my $0.02.

Hump.

[malaysianbloods]

When I took my drivers training awhile back they actaully made everyone in the class sit and watch these videos of car accidents and it was very graphic showing mangled up bodys. To help prevent drinking and driving or speeding. It is pretty much the same thing tho show new snake keepers what can happen when you leave a live prey in the cage unattended.

[marisa]

I never called you a newbie. I said people new to the hobby NEED to see things like this because all the explanations in the world cannot make some people see the real danger to their animals when they leave live unattended.

And malaysianbloods, I also had to watch those videos. Quite effective at the time.

A link would have been better, as I stated in my post already. But personally I don't see why it matters. But to please the members I suggested a link next time.

Marisa

[HumphreyBoagart]

Marissa,
LOL! I never said that you said I was a "Newbie". I was just stating that I wasn't a newbie and I didn't want to see it and that a link for those who did, would have been much more appropriate. Yes I know you told them to use a link next time and I agreed with you when you said it's a fact of reality and newbies should see what can happen, but I thought it could have been done in a more tasteful manner, but it pretty much doesn't matter what I say, you always seem to argue it. I could say Marissa's the most beautiful Herper of all time, and you'd start arguing over it. So it doesn't really matter what I say, maybe I should try reverse psychology! LOL

[Ray]

When i see this pic it lookt like the snake has fight with 10 rats.It's not a very nice pic to see.I hope people think when they
leve a rat over night with ther snake.But anyway ther allway's people ho love to see this kind of pictures.And hump i agree with you abaut showing te pic.


Ray;)

[Artemis]

oh lord! Someone should have included "dont eat breakfast while reading this post" in the subject line of this one! (and naturally I am eating breakfast. My eggs just got SO much less appealing)

Still, that pic really drives the point home. Don't feed live unattended, if at all.

Art

[marisa]

I argue everything you say? LOL I have a whole TWO posts in this thread, which INCLUDES my original one AGREEING with you!

HAHAHA, whatever!

Marisa

[HumphreyBoagart]

I wasn't talking about just this thread.
And yep I'll agree with you again...
HAHAHA Whatever! LOL

[marisa]

If you have problems with my other replies to you anywhere on this website, feel free to use the "PM" button.

Otherwise it's really pointless to bring up "issues" of arguing about OTHER threads in this one. It obviously has caused confusion. Thanks.

Marisa

[HumphreyBoagart]

Marissa,
Relax. It's not a big deal. Notice all my "LOL"s. I apologize for causing so much confusion, and your RIGHT I shouldn't have brought up "issues" from other threads to this one. I shouldn't have brought them up at all! LOL! I will be sure to PM you in the future. I'm Sorry. Smile : ) Be Happy : ) We're here for enjoyment, not to argue. Have a great day!

Craig

[CamHanna]

I hadn't viewed this thread for the past few days and didn't realize that the photo had upset people. I've removed it and provided a link as suggested.

Sorry,
Cam

[HumphreyBoagart]

No worries Cam. It wasn't really upsetting that you posted the picture at all, I too think people should see what can happen, it was just unexpected and I think it caught alot of people off guard.
But thanks for your apology and thoughtfulness by changing it to a link, it's appreciated. Have a good one.

Craig

[Slannesh]

I for one had no problem at all with the pic Cam. It very quickly illustrates the point that people are trying to make when they say feeding live can be dangerous. I really think a lot of people pooh-pooh it thinking the rodent will get one good nip in and it'll be a cut or something...

Snakes don't have nervous systems like we do... hence why balls and other snakes can seriously burn themselves on exposed lightbulbs and uncontrolled UTH's

[Artemis]

Cam lol you didnt have too do that ;) The shock value was part of the effectiveness of it. Wow. I was mostly teasing about the breakfast thing. After a few minutes I still ate the rest of the eggs anyways ;)

It indeed does make the point!

:) Artemis

[HumphreyBoagart]

Cam:
After thinking about it for a while, I agree with Art, the shock value WAS the effectiveness of it. I agreed the whole time that everyone needs to see what can happen, but I thought a link with a warning would have been more tasteful, but I'm now having second thoughts on it. I think that leaving the picture up was much more effective too, as most people don't bother with the links anyways. So my new vote is- Put it back up! Sorry for my indesiciveness, it just took some other views and thinking for me to realize that that was the best way to show people what can happen. Then they have no choice but to see it.
Once again sorry for my indecisiveness.
Craig

[CamHanna]

Of course I can put it back up; and if you like I can take it down again; but it can always go back up... So which is it? :p

[HumphreyBoagart]

LOL! I said Put it back up Damn it!!! hurry before I change my mind again!!! : P

[daver676]

Originally posted by CamHanna
I hadn't viewed this thread for the past few days and didn't realize that the photo had upset people. I've removed it and provided a link as suggested.

Sorry,
Cam

I appreciate your courtesy. Thank you.