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zero&stich

12-27-04, 02:00 PM

hey ZERO at least they are takin the time to ask and learn.... I agree they should have bought a book first butthis is not an ideal world so lets make the best of it and help each other to the best of our knowledge... If someone asks about proper temp for a ball python and 10 people say 85 degrees and 1 person says 110 degrees than common sence would say go with the masses. everyone will have SLIGHTLY defferent answers but they will mostly be close to each other. Still no reason for ripping someones head off and acting like there a piece of **** you scraped off of your shoe.

Uh huh and if someone asks can I keep my bp in a folgers can, your still going to call me a Zero? Cause that has happaned quite a few times on forums as well, and you know darn well that would upset you to.

Or how bout the classic feeding live prey and having a scarred aninal? I've seen as well has others firsthand, broken jaws and such. You cannot feel but remorse for animals due to illknowlege.

I guess my statement up there was refering to "extreme" cases.

And yes I'll agree, this is the best herp forum I've seen out there]

Manitoban Herps

12-27-04, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by zero&stich
My opinion and I will always stand behind it 100% is, if new herpers just buy a $20 us book and read it from cover to cover, then they would be far more educated then what a few people opinions measure up to.

Why would the forums be here then, if everyone was well educated on the forums there would be no questions too be answered, the forums are here so newbies come and ask questions, and people complain b/c it is too much righting for them..well don't reply if you feel that way. I feel thatquite a few memebers here "attack" others, i was on kingsnakee for3 years wiothout a problme, I come here and BAM..problems galore.

My opinion :D

marisa

12-27-04, 02:35 PM

Who attacks who on this website?

Names please. In pm if you wish. You cannot come here and claim you have problems galore here and say a few members attack people without giving the moderation team names to solve this "problem"

So I'll be awaiting your pm or message here. Thanks. :D

Marisa

zero&stich

12-27-04, 02:51 PM

Why would the forums be here then, if everyone was well educated on the forums there would be no questions too be answered, the forums are here so newbies come and ask questions, and people complain b/c it is too much righting for them..well don't reply if you feel that way. I feel thatquite a few memebers here "attack" others, i was on kingsnakee for3 years wiothout a problme, I come here and BAM..problems galore.

Actually Ks moderation team is crap. I won't get into that one.
Also I'd like to add, from Boidkeeper, he is right. Most flames wars result in an extreme case. A while back on the corn forum, their was a guy who keeps 500 corns and was telling someone new to the hobby it was all right to feed live and it is better to feed live.

Under those circumstances, yes, you will see a large war. That is to be expected. But in the end the waves tide down.

Part of my orgianal post wasn't detailed enough and to those who got angry, I appogize. I'll explain again. My orginal post meant towards extreme cases. I mean, last time I checked, there was no such thing as a Folgers BP? That's what I mean.

varanus69

12-27-04, 02:57 PM

your still going to call me a Zero? lets clear this first ... i was only referring to your user name as i am to lazy of typing out the whole zero&stich sorry for the misunderstanding... AS far as the folgers can thing goes at least that person ( assuming your referring to a real post) asked and hopefully changed there practices.
::::the forums are here so newbies come and ask questions, and people complain b/c it is too much righting for them:::: exactly Manitoban Herps

Linds

12-27-04, 03:06 PM

Having been a mod since the beginning, I've always been subjected to not only the problems that may arise on the public forums, but also the crap that many members like to fling at us behind the scenes. It is a thankless job, and we *donate* countless hours of our time trying to make this place a community that everyone can enjoy, and receive a hard time for it all. I've become quite frustrated from time to time, and at times, overwhelmed to the point where I've had to take a few days off. I've never considered leaving however, as I can't think of a better place I would rather be :) When you have a lot of people, of course they don't all get along, but I still think this is the best overall reptile community going.

Originally posted by Manitoban Herps
I feel thatquite a few memebers here "attack" others, i was on kingsnakee for3 years wiothout a problme, I come here and BAM..problems galore.

Actually the constant, for lack of a better term, 'pissing matches' that go on over there were what inspired Jeff to form this site, and what initially brought about many of our members.

Originally posted by zero&stich
My opinion and I will always stand behind it 100% is, if new herpers just buy a $20 us book and read it from cover to cover, then they would be far more educated then what a few people opinions measure up to...

...I mean everyone will have a different answer and how many people, raising hands, have heard this question. "I keep getting different answersm which is correct?" If they had gone out and bought a book they would have built a foundation and would, my guess, would have been able to judge what was the more accurate information giving.

I whole-heartedly disagree with that statement. While everyone should read as many articles and books as they can in an effort to learn, there is absolutely no reason that they shouldn't also look for clarification on here. Books are simply one person's opinion, and can be full of all sorts of inaccuracies. I have a book here that claims iguanas need to eat gravel to digest their food, and the last time I picked up a book on monitors it claimed you needed to keep them with a gradient of 80-90 degrees. Some of these books should be relabelled 'Ways to kill your pet'. At least on the forums you can get a more diverse response, with people discussin and debating, in order to come to a better conclusion yourself.

zero&stich

12-27-04, 03:08 PM

your still going to call me a Zero? lets clear this first ... i was only referring to your user name as i am to lazy of typing out the whole zero&stich sorry for the misunderstanding... .

Oups. I misunderstood that. Sorry.

AS far as the folgers can thing goes at least that person ( assuming your referring to a real post) asked and hopefully changed there practices It was a real post, it's somewhere in my posting log but I am too lazy as well to find it, lol.

CB Shwa

12-27-04, 03:27 PM

I love this site I wish there was a verson for parrot people.
Chris

mykee

12-27-04, 03:34 PM

I agree with some of you regarding the "seasoned" or "experienced" users jumping on the "Newbies" for asking questions that are either common sense or should be base knowledge that one has acquired BEFORE purchasing the animal. I've been known to lose my temper with the same, CONSTANT, relatively stoopid questions that many newbies ask. When you hear the same question 400 times, and you try your best to answer a question similar to "I just bought my very first car today and had it delivered to my house. I paid $45,000 and I just love it. It's red. It's sitting in my driveway. My question is this: how do I use the key-thingy and does my car need gas or something to work?"
Also, for anyone that thinks that ANY other Forum and their Mods are easier and more understanding than those on this site, they should lay of the Christmas crack. I'm not a big fan of a few of the Mods here, but cumulatively, they do a wonderful job and they need to know that.

marisa

12-27-04, 04:01 PM

That's my whole thing too Mykee. Sometimes I wonder if our users have ever spent real TIME on other forums, some are HORRIBLE!

Literally! Mods removing posts, deleting posts, with no warning or explanation. Mods calling names, verbally attacking people and forcing everyone to accept they are God or simply not use the forum and that's just for starters!

We have some problems with attitude, a couple problems here and there with certain users, maybe even disagreements with mods and users, but in the end this forum has come closer to it's goal of a good place to be talking about reptiles than almost any other I can think of. And not everyone can always be happy. :D

Marisa

Manitoban Herps

12-27-04, 04:11 PM

It's not the same person all the time so there is no need to name names. The problem is people always assume things here, and they make big deals about nothing. When I say "attack" I mean that they assume things in a perons post and starts argueing with the person and asking mods to bann him and such.

marisa

12-27-04, 04:14 PM

No one has been asking us to ban anyone.

If it's such a big problem to the point you had to start a whole thread about it, one would think you could give the moderation team at least ONE name to hel solve the problem for you. If you give us nothing but "well some people are mean" then there is really nothing we can do.

As Linds said "pissing matches" can happen....to me these are not attacks, just differances in opinion. Some of the best learning comes from arguements on forums when people have a chance to really hash out the whys and ifs of certain topics.

Some people can't handle this and see it as "attacking" or this or that. It's simply the way of the internet. If it was all cookies and smiles then it would be a very boring place as we would all agree all the time.

Again, the site is running great but at the same time small problems will always come up. We try to smooth these out but everyone will never all be happy. :D Just the way it is.

Marisa

Matt_K

12-27-04, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by mykee
I'm not a big fan of a few of the Mods here, but cumulatively, they do a wonderful job and they need to know that.

Am I in that elite group?? LOL..

-Matt

chas*e

12-27-04, 04:44 PM

I am a member of many reptile and animal forums..that way if I get annoyed at the moderaters thinking they are politically correct morality/value judges, I just move on for a few days/weeks/months until I forget why I was annoyed...not that I would be missed, ....lol

Manitoban Herps

12-27-04, 05:43 PM

Perrty much this is a good forums, but it has it's days :D

sneaky_boa

12-27-04, 06:27 PM

I just prefer unmoderated sites, and have found many that I am extremely happy with. I'm a big believer in free speach (in all its forms) and don't see the need for ADULTS to be moderated at all. This site has some fantastic info and care sheets.....but many times I have seen the mods become 'godly" and chose sides (I thought they were supposed to be unbiased in the first place???) And therein lies the problem with mods, they're human and will err and this leads to more problems than necessary. Like Chas*e said...there are many other sites, and I usually leave when things are getting too finicky; and come back when I need some info.

Guess I view places like this as a resource rather than a social life.

varanus69

12-27-04, 06:47 PM

maybe thats my problem as i view it as equally social life and resource site. I know if you want to be in the business you have to have contacts, reputation, friends in the right places and have your name be recognised. I am working with some investment boas and planning to add some other higher end boas to the collection soon and if i want to sell snakes pushing $5000 us each people better know who i am cuz people will buy from a well known guy before some nobody. Thats why i'm always here and making friends and contacts.. even with the pissing matches it is still worth it all just to be a part of a site that is canadain based, rather than playing second fiddle to the americans.

spidergecko

12-27-04, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by sneaky_boa
I ... don't see the need for ADULTS to be moderated at all.

I believe this entirely. Unmoderated sites tend to work themselves out when conflict arises. People either get bored of a discussion/argument and it dies, or the offending person just leaves. I don't think you get the same kind of "community feeling" on unmoderated boards, though.

...but many times I have seen the mods become 'godly" and chose sides (I thought they were supposed to be unbiased in the first place???)

I have seen this, too. I also find that it is harder for a new person to join the community since advice only seems to be accepted from "experts" on the board. Others seem to be ignored. But as you said, you can just leave for a while when things get out of hand.
I'm a gecko person myself, so obviously this board isn't the best for me but the general herp info is good, especially since I can relate to the Canadian aspect. But I use a different gecko board for most of my info.

varanus69

12-27-04, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by sneaky_boa
I'm a big believer in free speach (in all its forms) and don't see the need for ADULTS to be moderated at all.
That would be all fine and dandy but lets not forget there are many young people here that are 12,13,14 years old and they don't need to be reading unappropraite writings ( and yes i know they probably say worse to there friends in the school yards but...................)point is we are not all adults here and we could make the same point with alternate words. The mods here are fair and do a good job in almost all cases. GOOD JOB GUYS:::::::::::: oh and just so you don't think i'm some old fuddy duddy i swear more than most people and am always getting in trouble from my wife for it.. ok I'll shut up now before i get banned for talkin to much lol.

Matt_K

12-27-04, 07:06 PM

Ohhh, I think we ALL Swear more than we really need to :D For the most part, ALL of our members are very good at finding a different word to express themself. There are very few instances that we have to clean up a post and edit out innapropriate language.. Oh, And I know a couple of the Mods personally, I assure you, there's at least ONE (Wont mention names) who's language would blow your mind!!! Sorry Mari... Whooooops :D

marisa

12-27-04, 07:14 PM

LOL You are such a....well nevermind. I'll watch the sailor talk here.

Marisa

Linds

12-27-04, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Matt_K
Ohhh, I think we ALL Swear more than we really need to :D

Bah... those old war vets in the legion have nothin' on me o>;) But seriously... can you find a more versatile word??? :D

Tim_Cranwill

12-27-04, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Matt_K
Oh, And I know a couple of the Mods personally, I assure you, there's at least ONE (Wont mention names) who's language would blow your mind!!! Sorry Mari... Whooooops :D

LMFAO!!!! :D

Ok, Mari... you and me both at times! Sometimes I'd be better suited to be in a Tarantino movie than a father of 3! LOL ;) :D

concept3

12-27-04, 07:51 PM

What is the difference between someone putting there opinion on paper and selling it for $25 or putting it on a forum for all to see.
I agree with this quote from varanus 100 percent. I have read things, even in the rach book that I totally disagree on.
And to answer the origional post I have considered leaving,( because of the ego trips) but then I tried going to other forums, including KS, and came to the conclusion that this is really the best site on the web. I trust the information 1 000 000 times more on this forum than any other. Their will always be some bad with the good i geuss, sometimes I just have to take a deep breath, count to ten and let it roll of my back lol.

BoidKeeper

12-27-04, 08:28 PM

I've never considered leaving however, as I can't think of a better place I would rather be When you have a lot of people, of course they don't all get along, but I still think this is the best overall reptile community going.
I wish I had had your resolve Linds. I hope you know I still think you do an awesome job around here!
For anyone who questions why sites are moderated I think you should read the section on interent forums in Greg Maxwell's book The Complete Chondro. Maybe I'll type it up again for the 100ths time.lol
Cheers,
Trevor

ydnic

12-27-04, 09:34 PM

I understand the amount of annoying questions that come up. We live in a world where hunders of petstores out there rely on IMPULSE shopping. "awwwww.... what a cute iguana, only 25.00 - i`m getting one!" Then they get home and don`t have a sniff about what to do next - However annoying i`m glad that the small percentage that do, have the brains to come on the internet and ask some one who knows.
I believe that trying to be a responsable member of a reptile community = educating others to the best of your ability or point a newbie in the direction of a reliable source no matter how many times the question is asked or how annoyd you get. Besides I don`t know why users of this forum would complain about it since it is not manditory to reply to any post.

Leviathan

12-27-04, 10:35 PM

I don't come on much at all any more mainly because of how people talk to each other and treat each other. I have been absolutley disgusted reading some of the things people say to each other. Running people down for no reason but to make one person look bad and themselves look like they are all perfect. We all say stupid things and things people may not agree with just leave it alone! I think a new rule should be that you can only talk down to someone in a private message!!!!! (Mods????)

beth wallbank

12-27-04, 11:18 PM

AMEN Alecia.....

mykee

12-28-04, 12:31 AM

And we'll all get to live on cotton candy clouds and eat sugar plums and daisies and own our very own magical flying Unicorns and use stones as money....

marisa

12-28-04, 12:40 AM

HAHA I have to agree with Mykee here. Who is to draw the line at what "talking down is"

Is disagreeing talking down? Telling someone they are wrong talking down?

Calling names, and other vital things are already against the rules. Trying to tell people what they can and cannot say is never a good policy. Within weeks the site would go the way of the other site out there that tried the same a year ago. Down hill.

No one likes to be attacked, or hear arguing. But the minute you remove all rights to saying how you feel is the minute everyone leaves.

Marisa

ydnic

12-28-04, 09:54 AM

Nice one mykee - that was a real valuable comment for this topic - just like many of the other valuable comments you`ve had for people

Whatever gets you through the day...

Good to see that instead of helping a reptile (more than the person caring for it) you would rather make a rude or some what arrogant comment.

Marisa, its always good to see a moderator encouraging this type of behavior - hats off to you

mrsogle

12-28-04, 10:18 AM

I've read most of the posts and skimmed over a lot of them so if this has been already said in one way or another I apologize for saying the same thing. I and my husband both came here for advice because we bought and read the books and tried it their way, we went to the vet and tried it her way yet our snake and then our bearded dragon wasn't getting better. We came to this site on a recommendation from Chuck. We came here with the thought of maybe others have had this problem and their expierences can help us out. You can't ask a book a question for one and for two not always what is happening to your herp is going to be covered in the book. Well we received some great advice and both are doing great, but not without some people that "lashed out" at us. We looked over them thinking that they don't realize that we are new to the hobby. Everyone has to start at being new so when we go to make fun of someone or "lash out" at them, remember we were once new at the hobby also and we need to give them good advice so they can help their herp get better. One more thing ... It's words on a screen that can be taken many different ways, so think before you write back. There is always the PM option.
Okay I'm ready for the tongue lashing now that I'm sure I'll receive (LOL).

varanus69

12-28-04, 10:44 AM

ALL very good points MRSOGE
LMFAO ydnic you just confermed ( probably wrong word) my point about people and there attitudes.While I haven't read enought of buddies post to say he acts superior all the time that kind of stuff was what i was talkin about in the first place.. ANd hey manitoban herps it looks like you opened up a big ol can of worms lol ...........................

mykee

12-28-04, 10:48 AM

Ydnic: lemme guess, Santa brought you coal, don't take it out on me that Santa saw you being a whiner all year.
Just for the record, I did not attack you or anyone in my post, it was a harmless post on how this Forum is not the perfect site that SOME wish it was, so why do you feel the need to come on here and PERSONALLY attack me? It's ironic that my post didn't offend anyone, it was a harmless wry or funny comment depending on who you are, that wasn't rude, condescending, ignornat or an attack, your post, which was a response to my post, was both rude, ignorant and a RULE BREAKER! If I was half the whiner you were, I would report you to the Mods or Admin(LOL) Luckily, I'm just the antagonizer, and mean no personal harm by what I say, unlike you. If you don't like it here, there are a lot of other Forums I'm sure they would love your wah wah wahhing...
Varanus; seems like you're always looking for the chance to be rude to someone. As for "acting superior", we all get annoyed at some time or another but 99% of my posts on this site are helpful, pleasant and knowledgeable. It's responding to chodas like you that account for my "other" 1%. (BTW, next year, ask Santa for a Spellchecker).

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!

ydnic

12-28-04, 10:57 AM

*pats mykee on the back* Good job - you sure told me!

marisa

12-28-04, 11:15 AM

Ydnic you are the only person with the attitude here. We all know when each other is joking, and everyone knows what tone my post was. And on top of that, we all know Mykee and know his post was in good humour.

Sorry you are too uptight to see that. But yes, as a moderator I WILL encrouage humour between members. Yup.

Marisa

spidergecko

12-28-04, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by marisa
Ydnic you are the only person with the attitude here. We all know when each other is joking, and everyone knows what tone my post was. And on top of that, we all know Mykee and know his post was in good humour.

Sorry you are too uptight to see that. But yes, as a moderator I WILL encrouage humour between members. Yup.

Marisa

I think this is a good example of the favoritism mentioned earlier.

varanus69

12-28-04, 11:21 AM

*pats mykee on the back aswell* lmao
Hey mykee if you took the time to get your head out of your butt and read my other posts you would see i have not been rude to anyone untill now....maybe your dislexic?
::my posts on this site are helpful, pleasant and knowledgeable:: yeah cuz callin me a choda really makes your point all that much stronger lol some peoples children....This is the first time I've participated in a debate and you call me a choda....see how far are we getting with all this name calling? nowhere so what is the point? now just in case you can't comprehend any of this i can send you an audio email for your mediocre communication skills.....Let the pissing match begin ........

marisa

12-28-04, 11:22 AM

I cannot believe in a thread talking about attacks and attitude you guys are getting into both attacks and attitude. It's like ironic that this thread is a magnet for it apparently.

Anyways keep it NICE. No name calling. No attacks.

Jokes, yes. Being funny, yes. But let's tone it down with the other stuff.

Marisa

marisa

12-28-04, 11:23 AM

Because I knew Mykee was joking?!!? LMAO o.k.

But if I knew another member was joking I would what? Ban them for that comment?

I wouldn't even PM them for that comment. It was a NOTHING comment. Totally in line with the rules and innocent in it's humour.

Guys. RELAX.

Marisa

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 11:25 AM

maybe your dislexic?
Easy on the dislexic jokes buddy.
Trevor

marisa

12-28-04, 11:25 AM

Crap. I see the name calling on both sides of the arguement has started.

I can close this thread because of it. Or I can leave it open and we can actually talk about ideas to make the site better for newbies.

One more personal comment, it's closed. If you have ideas to make the site better for new people or anyone for that matter, share. Let's discuss. If not, close it down and don't reply.

Marisa
P.S. I am laughing at myself though as my message 2 up was very late! :D Sorry. No coffee.

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 11:27 AM

And besides everyone knows I'm Marisa's favorite. So there!
Cheers,
Trevor

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 11:31 AM

There are at least two sites out there with forums specifically for newbies to ask for help in. red tail boa.net and the chondro forum. Why not make a special forum here just where newbies can ask questions. That way if you don't like answering newbie questions you don't have to. Stay out of it if you don't want to see the same question over and over again. We talked about a forum for experienced herpers but that's not what we need, a newbie forum is what we need. A specific place where they can ask for help about everything and anything with out fear of being attacked.
That's my two cents,
Trevor

varanus69

12-28-04, 11:34 AM

Boidkeeper no worries man. I can use that line cuz i AM dislexic. you should see my writting before i proof read it lol. And marisa i agree lets relax here a little ( yes i'm as guilty as the next this time) and work on being sociable. I've vented and done now. if the newbie q's are to much for some people to type out maybe we could just copy and paste the answers from the sections the mods write out for care. like Matt_K
SUPERMODERATOR
Ball Python FAQ Sheet: Check here first! post on the bp forum and such... that would save alot of typing cramps for some that complain about it... at least these people are asking and willing to learn.

marisa

12-28-04, 11:35 AM

I was JUST going to bring those up varanus69!!!

A good place to start is the FAQ sections. It takes about ten seconds to link to one in a reply and they are a good place for starters information. After they read that, surely they can use google for more or have better questions to ask us.

Marisa

spidergecko

12-28-04, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
...Why not make a special forum here just where newbies can ask questions. That way if you don't like answering newbie questions you don't have to. Stay out of it if you don't want to see the same question over and over again. ...

Posts in a newbie forum will still show up in the "Recent Posts" list so everyone crying that they hate hearing newbie questions will still have to read them. The idea is good in a general sense but I pretty sure most people choose to read those posts that catch their attention, rather than ones from specific forums.

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 11:43 AM

They won't still have to read them. I alway click on the new post link and the new lizard post come up but I haven't opened one in over a year. It works on other sites...

spidergecko

12-28-04, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
They won't still have to read them. I alway click on the new post link and the new lizard post come up but I haven't opened one in over a year. It works on other sites...

Yes, but you are also not one of the people complaining about newbie questions; which obviously means you have patience and tolerance, and might also explain why you were chosen to be a mod. Those people who are complaining can just as easily ignore the "Hi, can I keep my snake with my anole?" threads in General Chat. The difference is that in a newbie forum they would have less justification if they complain, but I can guarantee they will still respond because it will bother them if they can't say their piece.

Linds

12-28-04, 12:03 PM

Wow... lol... where's the favouritism again? We have quite a few members on here that are well-known for sarcasm and jokes... but that's all it is, nothing wrong with it, only how you take it - which if you don't agree, should be no more than a grain of salt :D

As for newbie forums, other than picture posts, a good chunk of the posts that go in to many of the forums ARE newbie questions, so I don't think we really have a need to make a newbie forum. If we did, some of the forums here wouldn't be used at all. Additionally, I'm sure not all newbies would post in the newbie forum, since there question is also suitable for the other forums, or they may not think it is really a 'newbie' question in the first place. Many of the experienced keepers more often start 'display' posts I find, while their information posts tend to be in replying to others. Most of the time you can tell it is going to be a newbie question or not by the title of the thread, and for those people that open it and are annoyed, then why reply?

Trevor,
Thanks for the appreciation! I think you should post that tidbit [again]. Especially after seeing the turn this thread has begun to take :p

bighillreptiles

12-28-04, 12:15 PM

Hay Mykee
I think it's time for you to come down off of you candy coated cloud and come back to earth . So a person cant spell who cares the smartest grads of university arnt always the best spellers as well and this is not a perfect world not as perfect as you I guess, wouldn't it be nice if everyone was perfict NOT it would be pritty boring place to live and where else could one get the real life soap opera lol my two cents worth ;Paul Bighill Reptiles

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 12:15 PM

so I don't think we really have a need to make a newbie forum.
Why do you think people on the other sites that have them have them then? You don't think we need one but obviously there are people out there running other sites that think their sites needed one. What do they know that we don't? Our site is just as active or more so then those sites so why wouldn't we need one? Sure like all things it would be an adjustment but look at it this way it would be yet another forum to move post to! And we all know how much fun that is. My point it what harm can it do? It's not that hard to get one set up and if it doesn't work then take it away. We won't know if we don't try.
Trevor

Manitoban Herps

12-28-04, 12:16 PM

See, people are telling each other what they think of the forums and no one is fighting at all, there making jokes and having alot of fun. I think every thread should be like this one :D

Siretsap

12-28-04, 12:18 PM

I have to admit that mykee does have some kinda attitude to him, If you check on all the posts he did, 90% are the same kinda comments, always adding his comments.

I am sure it's mainly cause he doesn't take too much time to re-read his message before posting it.

I use to really get mad at his sayings, but now, heck I just read them and let it go.

I am pretty sure he is trying to make it as a funny post, but since no one can read expressions on the net, we tend to take it the wrong way but I have yet to see a constructive post from him, more of the sarcasm all the time.

marisa

12-28-04, 12:22 PM

It's because that's his sense of humour. Same as me, same as Favelle, Matt_K and many other very active members. Jokes. Like you say Sirestap, once you are used to them, you either see them as jokes or simply let them go.

And I agree 100% on the net things are taken the wrong way.

Back on topic now.

Here is the problem I see with a newbie forum. Do we make a newbie forum, as in just one? Or do we make one in each species forum? And then if that is the case, how many forums will we end up having? LOL. Like Linds said as well, whats a newbie question? Whats an advanced question? Do we move newbie questions from one forum to a newbie forum? It's a hard call.

I think it's a good idea, but I also think a better idea would be if you don't like newbie questions, don't answer them.

Marisa

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 12:24 PM

If he had an attitude on him he'd be responding to all of this. But since he already explained himself once that's all you're going to hear from him. You can take him or leave him, that's how it is. He won't keep coming back and back and back like some people who used to post six times a day. He said his peace and so did some other people about the true mykee. I think if anyone has anything further they'd like to say to him or about him they can take it to a PM or email.
Cheers,
Trevor

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 12:28 PM

as in just one?
Just one. There is no need to re-invent the wheel here. All the mods have to do is visit the other sites that have these forums and check them out. Email the other mods and ask them what they think about them, what works what doesn't. Take the good stuff leave the bad and start our own. Try it for a few months and if it doesn't work take it down. Why does it have to be a big deal all the time? These things are simple. There is nothing new to be tried or invented here. Copy what works for the other guy, learn from their mistakes. It's that simple. Too much talking and not enough doing and nothing gets done.
Cheers,
Trevor

marisa

12-28-04, 12:36 PM

What works for "chondro" forums is great, but they don't even have a newbie forum and they have like 3/4th the members we do. So we cannot compare this website to that one. It's also far less active than this website (i visit that forum almost daily myself) But that's neither here nor there.

For me I fight new forums for one reason. I hate going to a website and seeing 5000 forum topics.

And again, do we remove newbie questions from the Ball forum and place them into the newbie forum? These are the reasons we didn't hear what you have to say and throw the forum up two seconds later.

In my opinion if people cannot handle answering newbie questions in the normal forums they need to take a step back and realize we were all newbies.

If newbies on the other hand cannot simply place their question in the correct area, then they need to take time to learn how the forums work. We cannot put up a new forum for every single situation someone might have a hard time with.

Again these are all just THOUGHTS. "Too much" talk in your eyes but that's the way it is. We are hardly suffering here without doing what other forums do.

Marisa

Manitoban Herps

12-28-04, 12:41 PM

I think we shouldn't make a new forum, if people think the question is stupid or they need to narrow it down, they shouldn't reply. People will reply too it no matter what, the question is will it be helpful or not?

marisa

12-28-04, 12:44 PM

And as for what works for the other guy, well most of those websites are getting half, if not less than half the traffic we get here. Seems they should be copying us, not the other way around. Qaulity over qauntity yes, but there is also a reason for the qauntity here. You might have a WONDERFUL forum, but with only 150 members you aren't going to get much info exchange on a daily basis. Then finally, things will drop off.

There are what, 4 websites this big around for reptiles? Maybe one or two more. Each has it's own flavor, it's own feeling. I like it like that. Variety. This is very different from Fauna, while Fauna is 100% different than red tail....etc etc. The great variety in styles gives people a choice of where they want to talk reptiles.

I hope ssnakess.com never EVER copies anyone else as what ssnakess.com has been extremely succesful already. And I hope to help continue that with these great ideas. We never said a newbie forum wouldn't happen, but to expect it within miuntes of suggesting it is silly. We can't even make new forums! LOL It has to be agreed upon by all who make those choices, not just you.

I do think it's a good idea in some aspects, but in others, I think it's a way to make things easier for people who cannot comprehened being nice, or how to use the MANY already exsisting forum topics.

Marisa

sneaky_boa

12-28-04, 01:00 PM

What about a newbie snakes forum, newbie lizard forum and newbie other forum? no need to get species specific I would think. And you're right about too many different forums, although when I first came here I though that this site had too many...but you get used to it. Three more isn't a huge deal and I think would be a very positive addition to the site!

marisa

12-28-04, 01:04 PM

That's a good addition to the idea and I like that over a general newbie forum or many species specific ones.

Marisa

spidergecko

12-28-04, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
If he had an attitude on him he'd be responding to all of this. But since he already explained himself once that's all you're going to hear from him.

I find it ironic that trolls do the same thing; stir it up then disappear.

marisa

12-28-04, 01:32 PM

If you have an issue spidergecko use Pm.

If anyone brings up Mykee again in this thread, good or bad, I am going to give them a warning and close this thread. Period.

We are talking about new ideas. NOT if Mykee is funny, not funny, a troll, or not a troll.

Thanks for making me repeat myself though guys, appreciate it.

Marisa

drewlowe

12-28-04, 02:07 PM

I wish i lived in this utopia that eveyone else is....

Do people not have disagreements, tiffs, arguements (whatever you want to call them) offline with there friends, family members, teachers, coworkers, bosses, whoever. Disagreements are a part of life and your always going to have them no matter who you are or where you are, learn that now. You do work it out with friend or family members, i know i do, it's part of life. The way you deal with them is what's important, not the fact that you are disagreeing with a person or a post.

I'm positive i've gotten into a few "tiffs" here and there, but i learned from them. Some of the best information comes from the "heated" debates. You get to see both sides of the argueements and form your own opinion on where you stand.

I also know that some of my own post that were ment to be informative where somehow manipulated into me being ignorant and rude when they were never even said in that manor, but then agian it's just typed words and you can never see the "tone" that i or others are actually typing them in.

Yep from time to time i've thought about leaving this site for some reason or another, but i still continue to come back. Why some might ask, It's because of all the great info i get and i get to pass on what i've learned to others. My biggest problem isn't answering newbies but when you do give them an answer some of them completly ingore it and continue to ask the same question 2 weeks later, or newbies answering questions and giving a complete BS answer that you know is incorrect. When you decied to answer the question correctly your automaticly attaking that person even if you didn't say a word except that the information they had givin is wrong.

Just as an example I dont' remember who it was or anything like that but someone came on saying i have a skinny leo and it's not eating, I gave my advice and so did others. The advice was completly ignored and a week later there was another post from the same person saying my leos still sick and not eating what do i do. Now tell me how do you not get upset at something like that.

Wow i've done alot of typing for one post, but then again i'm good for that, cause i can't seem to do to many one line posts.

I'm pretty sure some people will see this post and agree with it and others won't that's how people are and i accept that but other seem to think everyone has to think and act exacly like them.

I'm done before i stick my foot in my mouth too far, but all in all i love this site, it's great and i will continue to be here as long as i can still learn about the animals i'm so passionate about.

Jamie

mykee

12-28-04, 03:08 PM

Jamie, great post. I would have to agree that one of my pet peeves are the new members who ask a few questions to get to know their stuff, and a week later are answering questions like they've been around for decades. It doesn't affect me any, as I can sift out the crap form the "not", but for the even-newer members who come on looking for good information finding the smoke-blowers' answers and taking it as the 'word'. I know when I started out there were more than a few misguiding responses to rather simple questions, and if I didn't have the patience to sort it all out, I would have been terribly confused and frustrated.

JAdkins2451

12-28-04, 03:17 PM

I might be wrong, but Iam still new to this site and so far not to many problems with any questions that I have asked, I got good knowledgeable replys. And I have read books and care sheets but alot of those have diffrent answers. So I come here and ask because maybe theres a person on here that only deals with a certin kind of snake and have been doing so succsesfully for many years. And I personaly would take there advice.. But the one thing that I have noticed all the (newbies) are basically students trying to learn and let there pet have the best possible life they can. And SOME of the experianced keepers are like teachers trying to help the students.BUT with all teachers they have there own way of doing things which inturn cause some conflict on who is right and who is wrong. Anyways Overall I have found this a very good fourm and I think that the mods are doing A great job. And For all the people complain about them (lets see you do there job)..

Matt_K

12-28-04, 03:19 PM

LOL, it's not a tough job :D Even Mykee could do it! :p

Some good ideas being toss'd around here.. Keep them coming everyone!!

mrsogle

12-28-04, 03:49 PM

Drewlowe (Jamie): I agree 100% with you.

I do have a question though about the "Newbie" column. IF it is read by "newbie" people only (there was a suggestion of it not being on the New Topics list) then how are the "newbies" going to get good advice if the older members never want to take the time to post to newbie questions? I'm not trying to be stupid or start another disagreement, I'm just asking. I know that some posts are redundant and maybe they're trying to get there number of posts count higher, but don't take it out on everyone. Some people have legitamite (sp*) questions.

mykee

12-28-04, 03:51 PM

mrsogle; I am yet to encounter a newbie question go unanswered in the Forums I visit. Though we mostly 'him and haw' a bout having to answer the SAME question for the 17,000th time, most of us will do so in a timely and knowledgeable manner.

Matt_K

12-28-04, 03:53 PM

As much as a 'newbie' forum would be nice, I'm just not sure it would fly.. Not only that, but who's going to implement it right now?? ;)

We have the FAQ at the top of most of the forums right now, and maybe it's time we start to do the rest of them, but we thought this would have helped cut back the number of duplicate questions, but even that hasn't helped. I hardly think that a new forum is going to help either..

-Matt

marisa

12-28-04, 03:54 PM

Yes I have to agree there. For all the talk of people not wanting to answer questions, I rarely see ANY post go answered here on the forums. :)

Marisa

Matt_K

12-28-04, 03:55 PM

I think you mean un-answered!! :D

(I'm waiting for my warning from Marisa for mentioning Mykee)

marisa

12-28-04, 03:57 PM

Both you and Mykee are going to recieve a warning now. You for mentiontion him, and Mykee because he posted again, which means he brought up Mykee.

:P :P ;)

Marisa

Manitoban Herps

12-28-04, 04:28 PM

LOL!

mykee

12-28-04, 04:31 PM

Dammit! I didn't think you would catch that one. Oh well, Warning me away..... Hey, come to think of it, I didn't mention that dorks name, IMHO he doesn't deserve any more "airtime". I'll fight this Warning and if need be, you to the death Marisa. I'll even take my fight to MR.Ssnakess if need be. I'l have your job for this! Note: that was HUMOUR. (I don't hit girls, I get other girls to hit them for me).

Matt_K

12-28-04, 04:35 PM

LMAO!!! I dunno, Either way, im putting my money on Marisa!!

Tim_Cranwill

12-28-04, 04:47 PM

Jamie, great post! :)

Now here’s MY two cents! :)

Too bad it's NOT a perfect world where everyone gets along (I mean that).

Too bad we can't always be in good moods or feel like making sure we word things in just a way that no one can even have a CHANCE at taking it the wrong way.

Too bad that the people willing/able to answer questions aren't willing/able to answer ALL the questions ALL the time.

And a BIG too bad that the people always complaining about the way questions get answered (and the way the site is run), RARELY EVER answer questions themselves.

But I think it’s NOT too bad that there are people making light of things and making jokes here and there. I wouldn’t enjoy this site HALF as much if I didn’t get to LOL a few times a day (and I do mean actually laughing out loud) or al LEAST cracking a smile here and there.

There, I've got that off my chest now! :D I'm sure that sounded harsher than I meant it to be but that's just the way it came out. I don’t have the time or desire to tip-toe around it at this exact moment. No offence to those whose exact issue that is. :)

Does this site have its short-comings? For sure.

Is it still a great site? Heck, yeah!

Can it be improved? I'm sure it could.

I think threads like this are great. It's always a good thing to bounce ideas around. I think the best idea so far is a "newbie" forum for snakes and one for lizards. But I DO think it will play-out how Marisa predicted. Questions won't be posted there that SHOULD be and some that shouldn't be posted there WILL be. That's just the nature of the beast. It's more work for the MODS, so I say it's totally their call. I will visit the forums and answer WHAT I can WHEN I feel like it. I like helping people out. I may not word things very gingerly at times (try living with me! :D), but I AM aware of it and I am ALWAYS trying to work on it. :)

Anyway, enough rambling from my big mouth! :D

EDIT: The last bit of the 2nd last paragraph may have sounded like I consider MYSELF an expert, but I don't. I know what I know and I don't know what I don't know. I'm just here to learn too. :)

Matt_K

12-28-04, 04:52 PM

Well said Tim!

I think 9/10 times when people think someone is being harsh, they're really not.. Once you get to know people on the site and see the way they actually are, you can really pick up on the jokes and puns people use VERY often..

I know that personally I have a had a few people talk to me AFTER thinking that I was rude or harsh to them, and saying, 'wow, I thought you were an as$hole'. In most cases, it's just the way that people interperet what you've said, too bad they're usually wrong.! :D

-Matt

ydnic

12-28-04, 06:02 PM

..and the dork enters

- its funny that some can dish it out and not take it..*Cough* insert joke here-

Meyekee(thought if i mispelt it - it doesn`t count as mentioning)
I was joking as well

Like I care what other people say - and how what you said about cottencandy beds and pillows made of poodle heads had nothing to do with my previous post I thought made it a little more ridiculous - I was scolding mykee - ask a JOKE! Seeing how I am not part of the 3000+ post club I guess you wouldn`t know my personality - and yes a lot of typings get taken out of context

And marisa seriously you MOD`s donate your time - if you weren`t here - I wouldn`t be either - what I said to you was ment as a joke to, but if you wanna settle this like real women meet me in the food for thought forum at 9pm

As for meyekee , ydnic hits BOYS and she doesn`t need other boys to do it for her - be a man

Matt_K

12-28-04, 06:45 PM

Now that we all know that one another is joking, let's move on :D

ydnic, I've read about 90% of your posts and knew that you were joking, I've seen you joke in the past (even with me I think) and this just seemed that way! So, there's the proof, it doesn't take long to start to understand ones personality :)

-Matt

marisa

12-28-04, 06:47 PM

*sigh*

ydnic we are WAY passed that and on to ideas and joking around. Why you need to bring up "3000 post club" is beyond me. But thanks for your input. Joke or no.

Marisa

varanus69

12-28-04, 06:49 PM

arguing like little school kids is one thing (i am as guilty as the next in this thread) but threatening violence, this is new. I hope we are all joking here! What ever happens with new forums for newbies i'm sure it will be an advantage to some one and in the end if we only help 1 person than it would be worth it and if some one doesn't feel like typing out a resonce than we all know you don't have to right?..... are we all calmin down a little yet?

varanus69

12-28-04, 06:51 PM

ok never mind by the time i slowly typed that theres already been 2 other posts... damn need typing lessons

marisa

12-28-04, 06:51 PM

What! Man we are totally joking about beating on each other! LOL really. I cannot believe anyone would think that was serious.

Wow. The internet really can twist things up!

:)

Marisa

Matt_K

12-28-04, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by varanus69
ok never mind by the time i slowly typed that theres already been 2 other posts... damn need typing lessons

;) That happens to the best of us! :p

marisa

12-28-04, 06:52 PM

:P :D :D

Marisa

Matt_K

12-28-04, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by marisa
What! Man we are totally joking about beating on each other! LOL really. I cannot believe anyone would think that was serious.

Wow. The internet really can twist things up!

:)

Marisa

Yeah, you say that here.. Yet on MSN you're threatening me with extreme violence.. And I wont even get into how violent you are when you 'visit'..... :p

varanus69

12-28-04, 06:56 PM

well marisa you must admit some feathers did get prewtty ruffled today..... I was busy working so i couldn't "keep up to date" on all this and i come back and see stuff about beatin each other. sorry must have missed something there. glad things have mellowed

mykee

12-28-04, 07:02 PM

Who's joking? Were you joking? I'm not joking....

Katt

12-28-04, 07:07 PM

I do have one complaint about ssnakess.

All the mods are in the east and seem to know each other. There aren't any western mods. There's no "western mod team".

I know we've had them, but there's only been one western mod at a time, there's no "comraderie" with the eastern mods b/c of distance.

I've felt that the western mods have felt, "out of it" in regards to the "mod team" b/c of this.

As a westerner, I don't feel there's a mod I can discuss any issues with b/c I do not know any of the mods in a personal way.

Sorry if this is the wrong place, I just figure that other westerners would see and feel the same as I do.

mykee

12-28-04, 07:19 PM

I'm an hour west of Toronto and I have never personally spoken with any Mod, and I'm pretty damn sure that not ONE Mod (aside from Matt K whom I dropped off some rats to in return for a Helix-3 minutes tops) would even be able to pick me out in a room. Don't feel lonely Katt, I don't think it's a geographical thing. Maybe it's just that the Westerners have all figured out that being a Mod isn't all flowers and puppies, or that the salary isn't comparable to other sites....

marisa

12-28-04, 07:20 PM

That's kinda weird Katt. Not you weird, what you bring up weird.

Most of the "personal issues" I talk with people about are people out of Ontario.

While the whole mod team does 'know' each other, I have only spent personal time with Matt_K and Shane. Heather, Linds, Nick and so on I have all met a couple times but I haven't spent time with any of them, and I live no where near any of them but Matt_K (he is an hour away at that!)

That's an interesting point though for sure.

Marisa

Manitoban Herps

12-28-04, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Katt
I do have one complaint about ssnakess.

All the mods are in the east and seem to know each other. There aren't any western mods. There's no "western mod team".

I know we've had them, but there's only been one western mod at a time, there's no "comraderie" with the eastern mods b/c of distance.

I've felt that the western mods have felt, "out of it" in regards to the "mod team" b/c of this.

As a westerner, I don't feel there's a mod I can discuss any issues with b/c I do not know any of the mods in a personal way.

Sorry if this is the wrong place, I just figure that other westerners would see and feel the same as I do.

I think what she is trying to say is the west kicks @$$ :D

BoidKeeper

12-28-04, 08:27 PM

There was a mod in SK and one in NB and before that one in BC. I don't think it's a factor when they pick the club...err... I mean team.lol
Cheers,
Trevor

Manitoban Herps

12-28-04, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Manitoban Herps
I think what she is trying to say is the west kicks @$$ :D

Wait...is Manitoba west or central..well what ever we are is the best :D..lol :p

BoidKeeper

12-29-04, 04:37 AM

West.
Atlantic Canada is NF, PEI, NS and NB.
Cental is PQ and ON.
Western is the MB, SK, AB and BC
And then we have the Territories. I wonder if we have any members from the Territories or even Alaska. I know one guy in Alaska with 40 Chondros but he's not a member here.
Cheers,
Trevor

BOAS_N_PYTHONS

12-29-04, 05:10 AM

KEVIN:

Getting back to the original post and your question.

As long as emotion is checked at the door, before sitting infront of the computer to give advice, or ask a question - then all should be fine. Many have left from newbies - vetrans. Reasons why that be a long list but most can be linked to emotion. I say emotion and pretty much put alot of factors on 1 word. But in the end if you ask a question - sooner or later someone will answer it for you be it a newbie or a vetran. Best policy is if you got nothing to say or nothing good to say - just don' t say anything at all. Bringing a negative ora on anything can never be positive :)

Tony Pharosx

hhw

12-29-04, 06:21 AM

Personally, I don't think BC, AB, SK, and MB should be grouped together :P In my humble opinion, SK and MB can go together (having geographical and to the best of my knowledge cultural similarities) as prairie provinces. AB can perhaps be grouped with them as well being also prairie although I think the oil goes a long way on differentiating them on the basis of culture. BC is much different that the other western provinces both geographically and culturally having a) ocean b) lots and lots of mountains, and c) more weed than you can shake a stick at. Ontario and Quebec are also very different culturally although being fairly geographically similar. The atlantic provinces are for the most part similar in both geography and culture, the nuances are there but they definitely have a lot in common.

Anyway, totally off topic I know. Perhaps the most meaningful differentiation would be by timezone, seeing as how people are more likely to interact with others in their own timezone. And that way, those crazy newfies get to be on their own but by only half an hour, lol!!!

Slannesh

12-29-04, 08:45 AM

Well, that was a truckload of reading :)
I'd lie and say i'll keep this short and sweet, but most of you know i'm pretty long winded when I feel something is important. Feel free to skip ahead or go to the next message entirely ;)

Anyhow, to answer the original question:

No, i've never thought of 'leaving' before. There was a period where I was missing for several months but it had nothing to do with anything that was going on in relation to the site. Just real life stuff was kicking me in the teeth a bit. But life goes on and a quick job change and it got a lot better ;)

Newbies:

I've been on both sides of the 'stupid newbie questions' fence. Basically it boils down to how much or little effort people seem to exert in addition to how techically or 'internet' savvy they are. Most people who have been here for a while are familiar with how to use the Search function. Someone totally new to internet forums probably isn't.
Granted, there is a lenghty post explaining the procedure as well as how to upload pics in one of the intro forums. It's quite easy to find, but it's a lot easier to just ask the same question for the 17,346th time. In my experience they all get answered anyhow.

Now, it does seem that some people have forgotten what it was like to be totally new to a hobby as well. Yes, we could all do all of our research elsewhere and log on for the first time as a well informed herper. But the reality is it just doesn't happen. I for one am glad that people continue to come here and check it out. If every newbie corrects just one basic husbandry or other mistake because they came to SsnakesS, I think the site will have far surpassed it's original vision.

Attitude:

I touched on this in this in the newbies section but have more to say :P ( I did warn you all that you could just skip ahead. Don't blame me if you read this far!)

Attitude is part of being human. In fact it's part of being animal too. Lots of people that know less than they think they do cover up insecurity with a large dose of 'attitude', as well as a lot of people who DO know as much as they think they do but get tired of being constantly bombarded with the same very basic stuff over and over and over.

Of course, this tends to be much worse online for several reasons.

1) It's easy to say anything you want when it's just words on a computer screen. Many of us sometimes forget that the author of that post that so inflamed you is a real person too.

2) It's VERY easy to misunderstand what someone MEANS because it wasn't exactly what they SAID... Add to this that tone is also difficult to ascertain, as the hubub about Mykee's post clearly showed. (Yes yes, PM me my warning Marissa ;) )

3) While we are a community, we aren't all friends. There are people that I have had very verbal and in some cases nasty disagreements with on here as well as many people that I haven't and most likely never will have issue with. This is true of most online communities. I'm heavily involved in other online communities as well and it's pretty much universal. Mix enough different people from different backgrounds, upbringings and geographical locations together and you're bound to have a few sparks here and there.

Mods:

I've said it before and i'll say it again, in general, you all do a great job around here. It's a crappy thankless job much of the time and you take way more abuse than most people are aware of and still manage to be fair and keep things mostly civil. Bravo.

As to the favoritism claims....

Well, I suppose there is some, i'd be a little worried if there wasn't.

Everyone has people they 'like' and people they 'hate' Mods aren't given some special brain implant that allows them to turn that perfectly normal aspect of human nature off every time they log on. Have I seen abuses of site rules or policy because of it? Absolutely not.

It takes time to get to know people. Some people here I know quite well, others I don't know at all. Do I like the people I know better than the ones I don't? Of course I do.... I don't know the others yet. Some people I don't give that chance to, they prove through their posts that they aren't the type of person i'd like anyhow so I move on. Does it make me an elitist or a bad person? I don't think so. I probably even miss out on knowing some pretty cool people because of it but I save myself a lot of stress in the long run.
Mods are people too, with all the same feelings and shortcomings as well as strengths as all the rest of us. (I'll expect my Mod endorsement check within the week guys :P )

But all in all I think this site and community are a wonderful resource and i'm very happy to have been told about it from way back when.

I'm very glad that the site rules are enforced by moderators. There are a lot of ideas and ideologies out in the world that I REALLY don't agree with, and i'm sure many of mine push the buttons of all sorts of othe people too. That I don't have to read about them here I like.

Keep in mind that Free Speech applies to every moron and idiot out there as well. While out in the 'real' world I think it's a fine idea, we must remember that we're in Jeff's house here and it's by his rules that we live. He's chosen the moderators to be his eyes, ears and voice. If you don't like that, well, the doors to the left but feel free to come back anytime and keep the posts on topic. I mean it's not like the basic rules here are so restrictive that people can't express themselves, right?

Anyhow, long winded rambling aside, I think you get my point. And if you've actually read this far? You deserve a hero cookie.

Vengeance

12-29-04, 09:17 AM

I read the whole thing, wheres the cookies???!!

Manitoban Herps

12-29-04, 10:30 AM

I figured the Manitoba would be central b/c it does have a spot east of Winnipeg that has a sign that reads" This is the center of Canada"

marisa

12-29-04, 01:03 PM

Nice post Slaneesh.

As for favortisim, I have never ever ONCE seen someone "get off" on a warning or ban because of personal ties to the mods. In fact, there has been a person I know personally here or there banned before. I myself have had to warn a person from my real life (who has an account here) on two occasions. But the bottom line is, I am a mod here and regardless of who I am friends with, rule breaking means warnings and possibly a ban. This site doesn't belong to me. If it DID belong to me, then watch out because I'd allow Mykee and Matt to scare people off constantly. LMAO :D :D (warning to myself for bringing up Mykee...don't worry, I don't even favor myself)

And like Slaneesh brought up, when I became a mod was I supposed to stop having friends on the site? LOL No! :D I can't help that I spend time with some of you in real life and not others. That leads me (or anyone!) getting what one person means while another comes off as rude even if they are joking because I might not know them personally.

It's not a problem, just the internet. :D Enough rambling on and on.

Marisa

spidergecko

12-29-04, 01:36 PM

I don't have a problem with any "unmentioned" people on the board (I don't think I ever have) but I would think as a mod, you would try to make the board as comfortable as possible for new and old members alike. Maybe no one is "breaking any rules" but by letting rude behaviour continue, you are getting your wish of scaring new members away. Rather than accepting that the behaviour is rude, you justify it by saying "Well that's just the way he is. Take it or leave it." Well, people choose to leave it. These same people may be the ones holding vast knowledge other members (even yourself) may benefit from, but just choose not to deal with the behaviour.

I'm not knocking your "modding" abilities. But as a mod, you might want to look at how members treat each other. I would never allow a friend to be rude to others in my circle, or even strangers, without justification. And if I find my friend to be rude, I wouldn't say to the victim, "Hey tough luck. That's just the way he is!" I would end up losing this new friend and probably have a hard time bringing in new friends, as well.

Simply put, no one can change the mentality of another member of the board but I find the overall "acceptance" of the act and the "dismissal" of the complaints unsettling.

marisa

12-29-04, 01:40 PM

But what YOU find rude, another large majortiy doesn't.

I have NEVER allowed a friend to be rude to ANYONE. Not ONCE. I said CLEARLY the only people I have in my personal life is Matt_K and Shane....I also have another friend on the boards who is somewhat active but not really who I have had to warn. So which friend are you speaking of?

I sometimes think people are looking for problems to bring against the mods because they might not agree with what another person said. If I totally agreed with you, and did what you said, then OTHER people still would be mad at the mods. It's a no win situation. You try to make one group happy then another is upset.

I am still unsure what complaints you are speaking of. Someone makes comments some find funny while others find rude. So what should we do? Listen to what group? You see my point? We can't make everyone happy. It's simply impossble.

I asked for names.

I got nothing. Not one pm.

I asked for the problem. Nothing.

All I get is "people are rude"

What exactly are the mods supposed to do with that suggestion?

Marisa
p.s. NEVER once did I say I wanted to scare people away. Again you take a total 100% JOKE and act like its our new policy.

marisa

12-29-04, 01:45 PM

I'd also like to rehash a very important segment of Slaneesh post.

"
Attitude:

I touched on this in this in the newbies section but have more to say :P ( I did warn you all that you could just skip ahead. Don't blame me if you read this far!)

Attitude is part of being human. In fact it's part of being animal too. Lots of people that know less than they think they do cover up insecurity with a large dose of 'attitude', as well as a lot of people who DO know as much as they think they do but get tired of being constantly bombarded with the same very basic stuff over and over and over.

Of course, this tends to be much worse online for several reasons.

1) It's easy to say anything you want when it's just words on a computer screen. Many of us sometimes forget that the author of that post that so inflamed you is a real person too.

2) It's VERY easy to misunderstand what someone MEANS because it wasn't exactly what they SAID... Add to this that tone is also difficult to ascertain, as the hubub about Mykee's post clearly showed. (Yes yes, PM me my warning Marissa )

3) While we are a community, we aren't all friends. There are people that I have had very verbal and in some cases nasty disagreements with on here as well as many people that I haven't and most likely never will have issue with. This is true of most online communities. I'm heavily involved in other online communities as well and it's pretty much universal. Mix enough different people from different backgrounds, upbringings and geographical locations together and you're bound to have a few sparks here and there."

Marisa

Linds

12-29-04, 04:30 PM

Katt,
Thanks for your input. This is actually the first time we have had all mods from the same geographical location. The locations of mdos in the past has been widespread, ranging from the states to both ends of Canada. I think the herp scene (from everything I've been able to gather) is most active or numerous (highest concentration?) in Ontario, as a result we have a lot of members from this area. I think this plays a big part in how the team ended up being composed of Ontario residents.
That being said, I don't really talk to any mods besides Matt outside of those that I see at expos. There are a few other members I talk to (mostly on the computer), and they are scattered all over the place. I'm just curious as to why you feel you cannot discuss any of the issues with us, on the basis that you do not know us personally? MANY of the Ontario members do not know any of us personally either. We are here for all the members, not just those that we know personally (which are few) :)

Slannesh,
LOL you can have your cheque when we get ours ;) That asides, I think you summed up just about everything in that thread.

Rikki

12-29-04, 04:58 PM

I have, when I was a newbie to the forums everyone acted horrible,lol. Though i think we can all say we are friends now. :)

clint545

12-30-04, 05:22 PM

Wow, This is a long thread. Very interesting read. I've never have considered "leaving" these forums, the short time I've been on them. Compared to a few others, this is the best site that I've come across.

sidewinder

01-09-05, 03:00 PM

I stumbled upon this site only a week or two ago and loved it. I felt like a had found a great site with great folks who shared a love of something. (reptiles ) thats why I was very sad to see all the political BS I saw yesterday,like that stupid video on the Pentagon. Then there was another thread where everyone was talking sh** about Pres. Bush. As a very proud American,I know that bashing America is Canadas national passtime but it really pissed me off! You have every right to your beliefs and I respect that, but is this the place for that kind of crap? Should I start telling you what I think about king paul? I even complained to the moderator, I'm still waiting for an answer! So if you guys want to kick us in the teeth every chance you can why not go to Canada.com-national post-sound off section but please don't do it here, it is rude , hateful and shows no class at all ...Steve

Slannesh

01-09-05, 03:34 PM

Hey Sidewinder,

Just wanted to point out that political discussions are most definitely NOT allowed according the Terms of Service that we all agreed to before being able to post here.

You'll notice most if not all of the threads you mentioned were very quickly closed as well.

I'm also not a fan of discussing politics here, since like religion, it's something that people feel VERY strongly about and any attempt at 'discussion' usually turns into a flamewar very quickly with hurt feelings on all sides.

My advice would be to stick around, this is a great site with tonnes of good information. Any political stuff that comes up is usually very quickly dealt with. On, and by the way.... Welcome to the site ;)

BoidKeeper

01-09-05, 03:37 PM

but is this the place for that kind of crap?
No it's absolutely not the place for it and the mods do put a stop to it as much as possible. That sort of thing is not accepted by the admin, the mods or the majority of the members here at ssnkaess.com. The mod team does the best it can to keep the content here as respectful and reptile related as possible. Please don't let a few bad apples ruin your experience here. This site can be an awesome place to learn and share info about herps most of the time. Just don't let a few negative post ruin it for ya.
Happy posting,
Trevor

marisa

01-09-05, 03:53 PM

Nice post Trevor.

As Trevor and Slaneesh pointed out, political or religious discussions are NOT allowed on ssnakess.com

What sometimes happens is maybe there isn't a mod online and a thread is started and quickly becomes a war about politics before we get a chance to close it. We are pretty much online all the time (at least one of us) but sometimes a thread or two slip through until someone reports it or we see it.

"I even complained to the moderator, I'm still waiting for an answer!"

Maybe the mod didn't recieve your message? I am also a mod, so feel free to re-send it to my PM box, or email me directly @ marisab@hotmail.com

Marisa

JAdkins2451

01-09-05, 04:33 PM

I dont know if this political or not but I dont think Canadas past time is bashing america. Its Drinking beer and playing hockey. That penatagon Vid was closed Why? Because politics is a no no. Rules are rules the mods did there job. Personally I have never been to the states, but I have talked to many from there And I have had good and bad expeiances with them. Just My 2 cents

sidewinder

01-09-05, 05:24 PM

Slannesh, Boidkeeper,Marisa,and Jadkins2451,
Thank you for your replies, I appreciate it because your all Canadian. I just wanted to say that I know the threads in question were closed down but did you notice their still there?
I'm sorry for getting bent out of shape but that really caught me by surprise. I won't be leaving this site, i've already talked to to many kind and friendly people here. I thank you all for your concern and kind words. ....Steve

HeatherRose

01-09-05, 06:11 PM

I dont think Canadas past time is bashing america. Its Drinking beer and playing hockey.

And beating the crap out of each other when there's only one bag of ice-melter or rock salt left at Canadian Tire...

We do our best to close down things like that (politics etc) as soon as we see it, but sometimes we're just not on here quick enough as life can get in the way of us spending 24/7 on our computers...(unfortunately :P )

As for the mods all being buddies, I am only super close with Matt and Nick, 'cause they're like brothers (with strangely large feet) to me. I only see some of the other ones at expos, and some I have never even spoken too. It's all perspective I guess...I think this mod team as well as every other past mod-lineup has worked really well together and always had the sites' best interest in mind anyway.

(I missed this thread while I was away so I am replying now :P )

Matt_K

01-09-05, 06:20 PM

I even complained to the moderator, I'm still waiting for an answer!

I do apologize.. As some people may know, Im very busy these and haven't been spending as much time on the site and in my email as I would like to be.. I try my hardest to get at everything in a very prompt manner, but this one got past me.. I just recieved your email about 10 minutes ago and just had this thread now sent to me by a fellow moderator (sister?)..

As everyone else has already mentioned, we do try our best to get to 'bad threads' and fast as possible, but unfortunatly, some do seep through the cracks.. In the future, just use the 'report' feature and we'll handle it from there!!..

-Matt

Tim and Julie B

01-09-05, 06:53 PM

I love all of you members equally:D

LOL, anyways.......anyone who signs up has read the rules and AGREED to them. That being said, certain topics should NEVER come up. If they do and you get in trouble, then suck it up because it is, 100%, your own fault. ( I'm saying this while smirking at the obvious fact that only 10% of people read the rules, and no harm or malice is intended by my post:))

Now, as for the original question about leaving the site- Nope, never considered it. I know my place here. I am a visitor using a FREE service provided by generous people who share the same interests as the other members who come here. Do I agree with everyone? Nope, but I am me and they are them and we are all different. I am open enough and smart enough to see that, and I take everyone for who they are instead of hoping they'll be someone else instead. I am very happy when I offer advice and someone uses it. Especially when I get an email, pm or post response where they tell me my advice was successful. Sometimes I get responses that it hasn't worked and instead of starting a war I ask why it didn't work. I wait for the response and take in everything being said. Then I apply it to my own situation and can often see why it didn't work for the other person. This is called "growing experience" and "learning" and I love it!:)

Perhaps we should thank the people responsible for creating this site, follow the rules and just be happy. Don't take things seriously and don't let others ruin your day. It is as easy to ignore an angry member as it is to pull thier strings, so why bother with an argument? Just skip thier post and respond to the others. Eventually those people figure out they can't get the best of you and will either leave you alone or leave the site.

Wow, nine pages! Good job;)

Julie