Wow!

[Manitoban Herps]

Now this is a great price! :D

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60122

[Jeff_Favelle]

Not for wild caught baby GTP's it isn't. Ha ha, bu you already know that.

I'm glad you posted. ;)

[concept3]

it sais they are all captive bred

[dave68]

Um,...yeah!!

Dave

[Jeff_Favelle]

it sais they are all captive bred

Weird, because my eyes tell me that THIS is what was written:

"We have 100 going to be available at the beginning of the year all captive born babies"

Not the same thing. Maybe I'm just getting old. Hmmmm...

[Bartman]

There like half..so the parents would be wc. Still risky as wc imo

[mannannan]

Thread title is C.B gtp babies...

[Bartman]

Captive BORN is CB too.

[lostwithin]

It's all in how you word it. Can mean they were born while in captivity. The parents could have been caught wild placed on a farm and babies were born a day later . Which basically makes them WC, but you can call them C.B.

[Jeff_Favelle]

The PROPER term in the industry is CAPTIVE HATCHED (CH) for animals that were eggs in the wild or from garvid WC females. The "captive-born" moniker is a play on words by "some" businesses to trick people into thinking they are actually captive bred, because it has the same initials. I'm not saying that this is the case here, but if someone is promising 100's of baby Green Trees at a specific date for 1/2 market price, I would most certianly ask for breeding, laying, and hatching pictures.

Its one thing to buy a wild caught Ball Python, but ethics aside, its downright silly to work with WC Chondros. Yikes.

[Tim Schroeder]

There are breeding facilities in Indonesia where chondros are bred, but with some the care is drastically different than what is given to chondros cb/h in NA. I'm not saying all breeding facilities are like this, but some are little more than wild chondros in cages in complete interaction with the environment. While they may technically be captive bred, there is little difference from chondros bred in the wild.

Tim

[Liam]

Ya, I was interested. So I emailed them a bunch of questions about who the breeder was, date of birth, age, how many meals they have had etc. Still waiting for a reply.
It might be worth it even if they are wc, to get 2 for the price of one cb. If you are up for the challenge that is.
Has anyone dealt with these guys before? I have seen their posts before in the classifieds.
Cheers
Jamie

[mannannan]

Gah, this terminology is confusing me, I keep forgetting that theres supposed to be a second C in there... hopefully though, with WC parents, those should be pure locality snakes, right?

But which one/s...

[lostwithin]

That fact that the initial cost is half price will not wok out I the end, yes you could buy 2 for the price one captive bred animal but chances are at least one of them will die one not to mention the vet bills to bring them up the health and the risk you run of spreading something to your other reptiles. In my personal opinion you are much better off spending even triple for a healthy captive bread animal.

Devon

[Paul_Begg]

forget the fact that one may die if you buy two, whats more important is the fact that by buying 2 cute babies for a great price, you are actually depleting the natural population by that number. Already we see in the ad that they will have 100 by spring. thats one broker in canada. multiply that by all the others in canada, then add the USA then add europe and finally add asia. What do you end up with??????? thousands of snakes that are being taken from living in the wild, thus completly ruining an entire ecosystem. Ranching should never be looked as though it is on par with true Captive Born Bred animals. Just because an animal isn't plucked from a branch deep in the jungle doesnt make it any better sa a captive animal. As soon as peolple realise what is really happening at these farms then the sooner all this crap will stop. We see the same for other snakes such as Blood pythns and in a huge scale the Ball python. whats going to happen in 20 years when all the now producing females have died??????? whats left to replace them now that all the gravid females ar collected just to lay eggs? So what if they release the females after they lay eggs. The damage has already been done. Lets stop supporting this before it's too late.
Cheers
Paul

[csolis]

Well said Paul!!!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Once again, well said Pauly-ol' boy! ;)

[Paul_Begg]

thanks guys.
whats new jeff???? we haven't spoken in too long?

[Darren179]

Paul 100% agreed. I remember a while back of a petition on petitions.com or some website like that saying I stand against the exportation of ( forget the type of boa ) and refuse to by Wild caught specimens. Perhaps if another one like this is made but for all snakes in general and sent around to all the big sites it would help show these people that the community will not stand for it. Now before I get flammed I know WC bring new bloodlines into the hobby but is depleting the ecosystems where these animals live worth filling the ecosystems we create in our basements,garages etc..

[Paul_Begg]

I toatally agree with the new bloodlines for animals, but there is never any need to import snakes or any animals just for the cheap pet trade.
Some people will try to justify their purchases by saying they will be the first to breed them or they are saving them, both are wrong and narrowminded in my opinion. All types of GTP are bred in captivity, you just have to pay more money for them, but unfortunatly thats what it all comes down to. I'm sure that if 'ranched' corn snakes were less than cbb corns, they would sell way quicker.
Cheers
Paul

[Darren179]

Yah just my personal view. I would never knowingly buy WC.

[Paul_Begg]

stick to it darren and the world will be a better place

[Darren179]

agreed. Would really love to get the international importers comments on this.

[hhw]

I think it's pretty obvious that somebody called "International Importers" bringing in 100 chondros at a specific date would be selling captive hatched and not captive bred.

The fact that they are offering them for sale before actually receiving them also leads me to believe they have no intention of quarantining these animals and properly treating them for parasites before shipping them out.

Not to mention, the only person who seems to know anything at all about these guys (on fauna BOI) has bad things to say about them.

As much as I'd love to save money on the chondro, I think that you'd have better odds of ending up with a healthy chondro by taking that money to the casino, doubling up, and buying from someone reputable rather than buying from these guys, but that's just me... I do love the casino ;P

[BoidKeeper]

they are priced to go at $375 each or $650/pair
This is the part that scares me. Not only is he selling import Chondros but he is using the word pair. That means one of two things. He is missleading people into thinking they are getting a 1.1 pair when in fact he may just mean two animals and not a sexed pair. Or, it could mean that he is sexing hatchling chondros which as I'm sure anyone who is interested in Chondros knows you are not suposed to buy a chondro that has been sexed if it's under a year of age or not finished it's colour change. Just like you're not suposed to sex a chondro before a year of age or it's colour change is finished.
So which ever the case may be, sexed or just selling two and using the term "pair" I wouldn't touch this guy's Chondros with a ten foot poll.
If it wasn't born in a breeders home in Canada the US or even Europe then to me it's an import like any others. Starting Chondros is not like the same as starting a Corn snake and you can almost be sure that not one of these 100 fresh imports will be properly established.
So, still think this is a good deal?
Cheers,
Trevor

[Jeff_Favelle]

Good observation Chewie.

[Tim and Julie B]

I thought you would all be interested is this.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59283&highlight=international+imports+canada

[Paul_Begg]

great additions trevor. hopefully this thread will come to alot of peoples mind when they buy a chondro!
cheers
paul