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alejandro2004
12-18-04, 06:12 PM
hello
i want to get one of this chameleons but i cant find good pictures of them. i have just seen pics of seek chams. can someone plz give me some picture of this cham? and if someone have one can u tell me some things about theyr care?

i will have him outside since i am from puerto rico it is allways hot here.

please answere me and sry for my english

peterm15
12-18-04, 09:26 PM
Furcifer oustaleti (Oustalet's Chameleon)

http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/oustaletimorphs.html

http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/foustaleti.html

this page is in italian so if you can read it feel free but i did a translator from the web... its horrible but hey... i dont speek italion... withen i week i can get my g-friend to translate it properly if you really want me to...

http://www.camaleonte.net/articoli/care_sheet_oustaleti.html


Beloveds sheet: The Chamaeleo oustaleti
Text: Dino Schiff, Italian Chameleon Network
Last review: 02/1999

Common name: Giant Camaleonte or of Oustalet (Ing: Madagascar giant or Oustalet' s chameleon)

Spread: Plateaus and semibarren zones of the Madagascar

Dimensions: 60-80 cm the male, 40-55 cm the female.

Color and sexual dimorfismo: The color is normally marroncino clear with variable shadings and striature dal green al nocciola clearly al nearly black dark brown. The female is smaller and when pregnant it has striature that vary from the red one mattone to red the most intense one.

Terrario: Minimal dimensions 60x40x120h. Must be housed singularly. The temperature must be maintained to approximately 30/35 °C under one spot from 40/60 the maximum watt, protect from one net. The aeration is fundamental, is well to have one frontal wall preferibilmente of fine net. E' finally absolutely obligatory to put within the terrario also a neon type Sylvania Reptistar or Zoomed 5,0 for the UV-B production. Of coppers buckets with to a beautiful plant of Ficus benjamina and a plant of Pothos they complete the furnishing. As substrate for the terrario is possible to use the simple newsprint that difficultly comes ingested from the camaleonte.

Temperature and humidity: The temperature within the terrario must be to approximately 20/25 °C in the inferior part and approximately 25/30 °C max. in the advanced part for permettergli the termoregolazione. Of night it can come down also to 15 °C. The humidity does not have to be never inferior to 50 % if for short periods otherwise series cannot be had difficulty in the dumb one. Spraying a pair of times to the day the leaves a good level of humidity is maintained and it is allowed of drink drips some to them of water.

Feeding: The young individuals go feed to you with crickets of a pair of weeks, camole and tarme of the flour, flies and drosofile. The adult individuals, instead, can be feed to you with adult crickets, camole of the flour and the honey, caymans and other bugs. Sometimes they can also eat vertebrati small: uccellini, topolini and lucertole. Fundamental E' also to integrate the not containing diet with a vitaminico complex vitamin To, but Beta-carotene. To the young people and the pregnant females it must supply an adequate contribution of soccer and D3 vitamin.

Reproduction: The reproduction in captivity is enough difficult. The sexual maturity comes caught up around to 7/12 months of life. The female only goes left with the male for the necessary time for a pair of connections. One or 2 times to the year places from 30 to 60 eggs. The original exemplary of the fresher zones of plateaus of the Madagascar have need of relatively low temperatures for the incubation that can be capacity to fulfillment in approximately 9 months to 23 °C. For the others, with a temperature of 27°C, the schiusa it can happen in approximately 7 months. The eggs go incubated in vermiculite humid or torba of sfagno humid.

Diseases: The camaleonti they are easy subject to you adorned to you, respiratory diseases and of the mouth. A control veterinary of the animal and of I made is always obligatory especially for the capture subjects.

peterm15
12-18-04, 09:32 PM
http://www.martinsreptiles.co.uk/ukchams/assets/images/oustaletigallery/index.htm

and heres one more.... if you have a prob reading them use then use this translator.... its the best one ive seen on the net.... keep in mind it still sucks

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

alejandro2004
12-18-04, 10:36 PM
thx alot. and for the italian. i understand some of it so is ok.

in the part of terrarium the size of the cage is in inches?

peterm15
12-19-04, 12:32 AM
ya it should be.... they are quite a large species.... what language is your native toung...... is it spanish or is there a pourto rican language.... just curious.... you said you understand some italian and i do know that spanish italian and portugese are quite similar.... and if you know either of them its not to hard to pick up on the anouther

alejandro2004
12-19-04, 09:17 AM
we speack spanish

peterm15
12-19-04, 10:29 AM
thats what i thought...... ok well good luck and i hope i helped

galad
12-20-04, 12:29 PM
I would sudjest doing a little mroe reaserch before you buy your chameleons. Would hate to see someone not only unintentionaly kill a helpless animal and waste a lot of theyre time and money just because they were in to much of a hurry to do the proper research.

good luck

ws

alejandro2004
12-20-04, 02:28 PM
I already have experience with 2 veileds but some stupid guys stole them.
and now i want to buy anothere one. but that would be like in 4 month not now.

i have a 2-2-4 cage that is too litle for an oustaleti right?

peterm15
12-20-04, 08:07 PM
that will prob be fine for a baby but they are quite a large species.... you said you were gonnna keep the cham outside... did you mean in that setup....

alejandro2004
12-20-04, 09:01 PM
i have a 2-2-4 wooden cage. if it is too small then i make anothere one. like like what size in foots the cage need to be?

peterm15
12-20-04, 09:27 PM
MUY GRANDE....minimo 5' largo x 4' anchura x 10' altura.... aunque 6'x6'x12' es mejor.... encontra un libro u pagina web. por mejor auido.

no hablo espanol. mi amiga meauida.

sorry i tried.... lol...

alejandro2004
12-20-04, 10:12 PM
lol

plz type in english.

and you mean 10 feet hight?

Collide
12-20-04, 10:52 PM
they get very big i would say that cage your built would be ok for a juvie or possible a female but they would definatly do much better with a big cage id say a 4w x 6h x 2-4d thats just what i would do though if size isent a issue bigger the better.

CarlC
12-21-04, 08:59 AM
Since you are in a good climate for this species why not build a screen house type set-up. If you built something like 20'long x 12'high x 8'deep you could probably house 1.1 very comfortably. Plant the enclosure with thick branched tree's and set-up a mist system.
Feeding shouldn't be an issue if you do feild sweepings and just release everything into the set-up. Occasionally let some very small finch's loose. Grasshoppers, locusts, and crickets could be hand fed every few days just to make sure everything is eatting.

Carl

alejandro2004
12-21-04, 10:12 AM
that would be good but my mom will never let me.
and since i am planning on getting some othere species. i will not have the space to make that type of cage

CarlC
12-21-04, 10:33 AM
Your best bet would be to skip the species if you can't provide optimum conditions.

Carl

galad
12-21-04, 10:40 AM
THATS HARSH THAT WOULD BE ONE AWSOME SETUP.
darn caps lol
I wish winnipeg had better weather, but i am still thinking about building out door cages for the summer. It gets pretty hot here on the praries. But then extremely cold in the winter :(.
I have the perfect sopt in my back yard that gets sun all day.
Was planning to just build a cage around an existing tree in my back yard. Ill have to obviously check to see if its safe or not first.

Mybe you could try something like that alejandro. PUt tall 7' spikes into the gound, and burry a peice of wood going about a foot down around the perimeter to keep out wild animals. And wrap the spikes with galvanized messing, or some other rust proof material. OF course you will need to add some supports for structure but i think it should end up being a really nice set up.
Put a lock on the bugger so no one steals this one.
good luck
ws

Sean_.E.
12-21-04, 12:11 PM
I beleive there are a couple of pictures of this species on the site - in GenerAsian Exotics' personal classified forum.

alejandro2004
12-21-04, 02:10 PM
what othere cham live in that area? or need a hot wheather?
the thing is that i dont want to get a veiled again. and the panther is super dificult to find here. and they cost too much.

galad
12-21-04, 03:08 PM
are there any chameleons native to your area? If so those would be nothing but perfect.
There are lot of species from madagascar that like warm climates, cant name any off the top of my head.

alejandro2004
12-21-04, 07:06 PM
there are no chams in puerto rico.
they are ilegal

peterm15
12-21-04, 07:10 PM
than how can you own one

alejandro2004
12-21-04, 08:07 PM
ilegaly? the only herp that are legal are.

jackson chameleon and senegal chameleon. and a box turtle.

and those both chams will die in our temps.

i know lot of people who inports animals and they sell to all puerto rico.

peterm15
12-21-04, 08:46 PM
wo... ok... well all i have to say is you need a very large enclosure... very very large... if you cant give them that id suggest going for a different species

alejandro2004
12-21-04, 09:35 PM
yeah i think that will be better.
maybe safe lot of mony and get a panter

peterm15
12-22-04, 07:55 AM
ya probably...... what youd save getting the other you would spend on building the cage