Dwarf boa constrictor?

[sl1ther]

Hi,
i do not have enough room for a common boa so i have wondered about the smaleer boas.Some of u may have seen my hogg island boa thread and now i am questioing about the dwarf boa constrictor.
how big do these snakes grow and are they just like common boas but smaller?
Thanks...







sl1ther:grab:

[BoidKeeper]

Most island boa are BCI and most max out under 6'. There are many other options for a small boa other than small BCI. There are rainbows, rosy boas, sand boas. There are also dwarf boas but they are rare in the pet trade. Tree boas are small as well as salmon island ground boas. Dums are stay under 6' too.
Cheers,
Trevor

[sl1ther]

hi trevor thanks for quick reply,
how big do the salmons grow?i have seen these and always thought they were quite big but very beautiful.
Also how big would a male common bci grow?
Thanks




sl1ther

[Stockwell]

I think he means SOLOMON Island ie Candoia carinata paulsoni. They rarely reach 4 foot and adult males are usually under 3 foot
Here's a pair of mine mating in a zellers food saver(just a bit bigger than a shoebox)
http://ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1801candoiacopMar04-med.jpg
And below is the results(same container half a year later)
http://ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1801solomonbabiessept24_04.jpg

[JD@reptiles]

lol. looking at the pics like that makes it look like it happend over night.

[Linds]

Tarahumara Bci (dwarfs) are not that common, so there isn't really a documented known size in captivity, but they seem to hang around the 3' mark. Other locales such as Corn Island, Crawl Cay, etc. rarely exceed the 6' mark, and usually finish up much smaller.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

ROY:

Jordan was thinking like me the reply looks like it was here there and next day babies........looks neat though. :)

But we know better.

I gotta hook me up a few of those.

Cya...

Tony

[Mike Greathouse]

An unusual Dwarf
This is Pip. He was born June 6, 2003 as part of an otherwise normal litter of boas. At birth, he was 7" in length.
Now at 1 1/2 years of age, he's a whopping 18" long

The first picture shows Pip a one week old.
The second picture was taken at one year along with his sister.
Yes - they are littermates!

I think it's safe to say - this is a dwarf boa.

Thanks for looking.

http://reptiliandreams.com/hold/pipb.jpg
http://reptiliandreams.com/hold/erispip2.jpg

[Bartman]

WOW!! Mike, thats amazing. Hes so tiny. Can I have him :D

[Mike Greathouse]

Sorry Adam - He's a keeper!

[JAdkins2451]

Wow thats pretty neat the size diffrence.

[blazinreps]

wow that is really cool. i never seen a boa that small. I was just about to make a thread just like this as i to would like to get a dwarf species of boa i love how the bc`s look but deffinitly do not want a snake that large what would be best for me??

[BoidKeeper]

Mike is he on a normal food and temp regiem? The reason I ask is because Jeff Rone is known for keeping his boas small throught diet. He actually shows a boa in one of his price list videos that is about the size of yours and is either a year or three. I can't remember which I'd have to go back and check.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Mike Greathouse]

He has been maintained at the same temperature as all of my boas. He is fed weekly - the only difference is that the food size has been smaller. Because of his small size at birth, all he could handle was the smallest pinky. As he has grown, the meal sizes have increased. He is now eating medium sized mice and/or rat pups.

[HumphreyBoagart]

PIP ROCKS!!!
I Want him.
I'm coming to get him.

That would have been cool if there was a male and female runt, you could have bred them together and possibly and probably created your own line of Miniature BCI's!

[beanersmysav]

Originally posted by HumphreyBoagart
PIP ROCKS!!!
I Want him.
I'm coming to get him.

That would have been cool if there was a male and female runt, you could have bred them together and possibly and probably created your own line of Miniature BCI's!

Maybe next litter he'll have a runt, and can try and do so :) That'd be pretty nice. Amazing how little he is.

[Gary D.]

Too bad that he is likely that small due to a genetic malformity. Likely liver or other internal organ is not working properly. Hopefully he lives out a healthy life with no further effects. IMO breeding for genetic defects isn't entirely ethical however.

[HumphreyBoagart]

GARY D-
Do you think that toy chihuahuas, teacup chihuahuas, miniature pinschers, miniature shar-peis, miniature bull terriers, miniature schnauzers, miniature Australian sheperds, miniature poodles, english toy spaniels, Pembroke Welsh corgi, toy manchester terriers, (to name a few, I could go all day) are unethical too? Because that's how all these breeds were created. From breeding the smallest of each standard form to another of the smallest standard forms.
But seeing as there is only 1 PIP, it was a hypothetical statement.

[Shad0w]

Hmmm, one could call any morph as breeding for genetic malformalities...

I see nothing wrong with selective breeding so long as its done correctly.

[Gary D.]

Well if he lives a long and succesful life then the cause of his reduced growth would not likely be a genetic malformity, but a genetic trait. Such as what decides how tall each of us grow to be. But if his size is as a result of a undeveloped liver or other organ which is preventing his body from getting or utilizing the food energy for growth then that is definately undesirable.
See there is a difference. Now if you want to argue that morphs are malformities, have at it, I'm not a morph fan either :)


edit: hmmn, who'd have though that the term r e t a r d e d in it's proper context (in this case referring to growth) would be censored.

[HumphreyBoagart]

It always amazes me how even a hypothetical statement on this site can and will turn into an argument.
Could it be that you don't like morphs all of a sudden because it would be contradicting to your previous statement about being unethical? Or is it because you can't afford to own any and you're jealous?

[JG20]

Originally posted by Gary D.
edit: hmmn, who'd have though that the term r e t a r d e d in it's proper context (in this case referring to growth) would be censored.

Are you serious?

It's funny how "Mentally R e t a r d e d" was coined up to keep kids from making fun of "I d i o t s." Now, R e t a r d e d is the unpolitically correct term so now we have "Developmentally Delayed." Pretty soon, we won't be able to say "Delayed" anymore.:rolleyes:

[Gary D.]

No Humphrey, I find reptiles fascinating, their roles in nature, and the habitats they live in. I have always preferred natural looking animals kept in semi naturalistic vivaria. I will admit there are many attractive morphs, but none I would put money down on. Being in the boa community for any ammount of time, one should be aware of the two main camps. Those who are more interested in localles and those interested in morphs. On other forums you will find that can be a huge rift, (not so with me). As for not liking them 'all of a sudden' it is apparent you do not know me as those who do know I am not interested in morphs. Thus you are implying that somewhere I have said something to the effect "she's gorgeous, I need one of those" regarding a morph on some forum at some time. Please show me that thread.

Now as I had pointed out there is a fundamental difference between genetic traits and malformities, and thus there is no conrtadiction. If you can understand that, and would like demonstrate how morphs are as a result of malformities, I welcome the intelectual discussion.

Gary D.

[HeatherRose]

Are you serious?

It's funny how "Mentally R e t a r d e d" was coined up to keep kids from making fun of "I d i o t s." Now, R e t a r d e d is the unpolitically correct term so now we have "Developmentally Delayed." Pretty soon, we won't be able to say "Delayed" anymore

:rolleyes: 9 times out of 10, it's used in a context that offends people.

[BoidKeeper]

Mental retardation is the correct term. It is used to describe a retardation of the mental processes. There is nothing wrong with it if used correctly. My pysc. prof. used to use it all the time and explained it to our class who often appeared to suffer from retardations of the mental processes.
Cheers,
Trevor

[HumphreyBoagart]

Gary D-
First off, I'd like to apologize to you. Your absolutely right, I don't know you or your views on morphs. I jumped the gun when you said you didn't like morphs because it appeared that you only said that to back your views on being unethical. When I said it would be cool if there was a male and female runt to breed together it was totally a hypothetical statement, because I knew there was only one. And your absolutely right, it wouldn't be cool to breed them together if their size was due to a bad liver or whatever. I was just amazed by it's size (or lack of), and thought it would be awesome if there was a whole strain of mini-Pips. Obviously I wouldn't want to breed an unhealthy animal to another unhealthy animal to make a new strain of unhealthy animals. I guess what I should have wrote was...
"Providing he is genetically small and doesn't have any health issues, it would be cool if there was another runt of the opposite sex that is also genetically small with no health issues to breed him to, you could possibly create your own strain of genetically small BCI's with no health issues."
As for your view on the "two camps", I'm not so sure I agree with you on that. I am a "Localle Lover" as well as a "Morph Lover". I, like you, find all reptiles fascinating, and like semi-natural vivariums as well, but there are naturally occurring morphs that humans did not play god to create as well. They're natural too arent they?
Before I write a novel and say something else that is probably going to offend someone on here (probably already too late) I'm going to quit while I'm not too far behind. Again I apologize for jumping the gun and assuming you were saying you didn't like morphs because it would contradict your previous statement about being unethical. No hard feelings?
Have a good night everyone.
Hump.

[Gary D.]

cool, no hard feelings.

[Katt]

Originally posted by HumphreyBoagart
GARY D-
Do you think that toy chihuahuas, teacup chihuahuas,

There are no such things are toy and teacup chihuahua's. Breeding for "mini" chihuahua's is frowned upon by ethical chihuahua breeders.

[HumphreyBoagart]

That's weird my friend has one of each, I'll have to let him know that there's no such thing. He's gonna be pretty upset to know that his dogs don't exist.

[HumphreyBoagart]

Try this link...
www.teacupandtoypet.com
I'll post a few more links too if you think they still don't exist.

edit- Also, if they don't exist, why are they frowned upon?