Tangerine Honduran - Vanishing Pattern

[Darwin's Oasis]

I thought some of you might like to see something a little different. This Vanishing Pattern Tangerine Honduran Milk snake hatched out early November 2004.

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/811Tangerine_Honduran_-_Vanishing-med.jpg

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/811Tangerine_Honduran_-_Vanishing_1-med.jpg

Troy Mouck

trmouck@telus.net

Darwin's Oasis (http://www.darwinsoasis.ca)

[Matt_K]

Fixed your pics for you.. Not sure what link you were trying to post.. In the future, just right click on the image in your gallery and select properties and copy the URL in there..

[Tim_Cranwill]

WHAT THE?!?!?!?!?! :D

Holy cow, guys! That's awesome! :)

What were the parents and siblings like?

[Darwin's Oasis]

Tim

I have good news for you. The het for hypo hatchling you bought came from this pair last season.

The male is Hypomelanistic and the female het for Hypomelanism. When I bought her I was told she might be het for vanishing pattern and pinstripping as well.

The first year they bred I did not get any Hypos, so I began to doubt the genetics. But this year paid off. I also got some hypo's and one Hypo Pinstripe.

[bighillreptiles]

So how manny piggy banks do i have to brake to get one of tham LOL beautiful

[Manitoban Herps]

Nice snake...just awesome!

[Will]

VanishING pattern...?

Seems to me the pattern has VanishED!

Wow, he looks FANTASTIC!!! :bugged:

edit:

I'm curious to see if he tips out like a normal hondo. Hopefully he stays like that. Gotta post pics as he ages...

[Brad C]

Strait up beautiful!!!!!
:)

[damzookeeper]

now that's what I call an awesome snake!!

[vanderkm]

Very neat Troy - that is one interesting hondo!! Definitely vanished pattern!!

congrats and thanks for sharing photos -

mary v.

[Katt]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is truly one of the most beautiful milks I've seen. Congrats!

[Scales Zoo]

Wow, good for you Troy!

Maybe that one will get it's pattern as it ages? Wouldn't that suck! - haha.

Coolest Hondo in Canada by far!

Ryan

[Tim_Cranwill]

Troy, that is VERY interesting! :)

I will likely be <b>begging</b> you for a few females next year though! :D

[MarcB]

Fantastic looking Vanishing Pattern !

What strain/lineage is he/she from?

Way to go Troy!

Thanks for sharing

[Classic]

Simply breath taking. How lucky is that. Congrats.

Brian
HighWaterHerps

[gonesnakee]

Right on Troy! I'll definitely have to check that one out in person here one day, Mark

[Clownfishie]

:jawdrop: WOW.

KILLER looking hondo Troy -- that's awesome! :D I've seen vanishing pattern hondos before -- but I have to agree with everyone else, that's not just a vanishING pattern hondo, it's a vanishED pattern one! LOL.

I'd love to see pics of the parents & siblings.... and congrats on producing such a beauty :)


Jen

[Linds]

That's one crazy looking snake! I've never seen anything like it...

[Stockwell]

Well, I've produced my share of vanishings(the other type), but none quite that extreme!! That one wins the grand prize...Congrats
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/18011590jungletang3-med.jpg
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/18011590jungletan2-med.jpg
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/18011590Mvc-016f-med.jpg

[Tim_Cranwill]

Those are awesome, Roy! Did any of them proove to be genetic and where did they end up? :)

[Stockwell]

Both Steve Osborne and I were producing the vanishing trait simultaneously in the 90's. He named it not me. The trait is genetic but it's not as simple as simple recessive. The trait gets concentrated and amplified through successive generations, so breeding the most abberant ones together produces more abberant ones.
The mutation(if you want to call it that) was the result of selective breeding(inbreeding) to increase the band width . Everything was going great then one more generation through it right over the top, and wide bands became stripes and missing bands.

I always hated the damn scrambled things, because they weren't my intended goal. I'm a bit of nut about symmetry, and I wanted equal width , wide triads... I don't like abberant patterns.

I used to call them "oops Hondurans".
I shipped one to Osborne and most went to my Us broker Jamie Quick who distributed them across the US.
A couple extreme ones went to a guy in Montreal
The blood line that produced those is still in Canada, but most of the extreme ones went to the US. Gillards have one of mine, and classic has a female from my batch, and there are several more floating around. I have a pair of the original batch as well, but I have the ones with the goal I was after., symmetcial wide bands.
I no longer seem to produce many abberant ones.

While some stay fairly clean,l the nice orange sometimes gets polluted with black tipping as they mature. Now a hypo vanishing or even an amel, could truly be something to see, and they are being worked on, and likely have already been produced in the US.
I should point out that there seems to be two different vanishing traits. It's a bit confusing because there are pin stripe vanishings now of which I think the one above is. This trait is in the US hypo line. I think it's a different mutation from the original ones Osborne and I were producing, as the pin stripe vanishing seem to have narrowing black bands, but the original vanishings were more abberant, and have black bands missing or elongated to near striping.

[Darwin's Oasis]

MarcB

It is unfortunate but, I do not know anything about the lineage of these snakes. As far as I can tell, I am the third person to own these animals.

Troy Mouck

[MarcB]

Well Troy, at least we know they produce some killer offspring!