It was sold to me as a Guyana, but I think it might be a Surinam...What do you think? [Archive]

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 05:17 PM

I acquired this snake in a trade. The guy said it was a guyana but who knows. I'm not saying it's not a guyana, it's saddles look like a surinams saddles to me though. I know that there is a way to tell them apart by counting the saddles. I don't know the numbers though, maybe you guys do. Anyways here's a couple pics, let me know what you think.
Thanks : )

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/5491boa2-med.JPG

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/5491boa1-med.JPG

*I don't know why they didn't work, anyways she's in my gallery under boa1 and boa2

Edwin

11-13-04, 05:22 PM

The pics are not showing.

BoAddict

11-13-04, 05:22 PM

the pics dont work

mike

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 05:24 PM

I don't know why they didn't work. They're in my gallery under boa1 and boa2.
Thanks and sorry about that.

RepTylE

11-13-04, 05:45 PM

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/5491boa2-med.JPG

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http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/5491boa1-med.JPG

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There you go Humphrey. They look marvelous from here.

chappy

11-13-04, 05:47 PM

RepTylE beat me but I edited your post for you.

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 05:49 PM

Thanks, I don't know why it did't work. The URL appears to be right. Any thoughts on Guyana vs Surinam?

boa

11-13-04, 06:15 PM

Where did you buy that snake from?

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 06:35 PM

I got it in trade from "satfreebie".

Edwin

11-13-04, 07:02 PM

I am not sure, perhaps other members can be of more assistance. It is a really nice snake, though!

"Normally the Boa c. constrictor from Surinam have a pink shade on the flanks. Guyana redtails (Guyana and French Guyana) are darker and have a lateral purple shade.
But unfortunately this difference is just a clue, not evidence. We have already seen several wild caught redtails coming directly from Surinam that had purple flanks."

Links:
http://www.boa-constrictors.com

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/constrictor/SurinamGuyanaE.htm

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 07:07 PM

It does have pink down it's sides, you just can't see it in the pictures. It doesn'h have a brownish tinged back like guyanas I've seen.

BoidKeeper

11-13-04, 07:20 PM

One of the nicest Surinames I've ever seen!
Congrats,
Trevor

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 07:30 PM

Wanna buy her? : )

BoidKeeper

11-13-04, 07:51 PM

If I was into surinames I would in a second. I do have a male here that doesn't have a female but I'm not really into big boas. I'm sure she wouldn't last long if you posted here. Man she is sime nice though. If I saw here in person I bet I couldn't pass her up she is awesome.
Cheers,
Trevor

Manitoban Herps

11-13-04, 08:06 PM

She is a beauty!

Gary D.

11-13-04, 08:20 PM

As Edwin pointed out. Saddles really are not a marker for Suri or Guyana. The way it usually works in the hobby (not in the wild) is people call the more pinkish animals Suri's and the more purplish Guyanans. As of late there seems to be a preferance for surinames, as such they tend to sell for a bit more. If it was sold to you as a Guyanan I would stick with that assessment rather than second guess it. Perhaps he knew it's origin, where as you do not. In reality they are the same thing.

boa

11-13-04, 08:33 PM

Is there any chance that snake came from paul maclearly in the london area?

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 09:28 PM

No, but I was going to buy his 03 basin-type surinam that I'm sure you're probably refering to. This one is much cleaner and lighter than that one. Pics do no justice to this snake. Thanks for the responses and comments.

boa

11-13-04, 09:55 PM

Yes that is the one i sold to paul cb surinam did you see it in person what a screamer.This one in the picture does look alot like it that's why i ask.

HumphreyBoagart

11-13-04, 10:18 PM

this is an 04 his is an 03. I think he sold it. Check out a couple of my other surinams in my gallery. Unrelated Partial stripe CBB Surinams, both are 10x nicer in person. The Female is from BigDan's Reverse striper litter, the male is from breeder in quebec, I can't remember his name. I got it at Fall 03 PCPC show.

foman

11-14-04, 08:45 AM

There is no way to tell the difference by appearance as they are the exact same snakes just shipped out from a different country.

RepTylE

11-15-04, 01:05 PM

My rescue boa is supposed to be a wild caught suri but she is so much darker than any pic of a suri that I ever saw. She has alot of pink on the sides but she is so damned dark. It was one of those friend of a friend of a friend kind of transactions so I never met the guy who had her. Could some suri imports be that dark or is it likely an intergrade?

HumphreyBoagart

11-15-04, 01:20 PM

I have a 6 1/2 ft Female that is super dark too, with high pink on her sides. It's definately a surinam.
The female striper I got from big dan's reverse striper litter, it's mother was as dark as can be too, but the babies were all light. I find all of my Surinams change darkness according to hunger, mood, etc. Sort of like a mood ring.

RepTylE

11-15-04, 02:25 PM

Thanks Humphrey, I have really been wondering about that. Your 6 1/2 footer sounds alot like mine.
Doyou have a pic of her? I don't remember seeing that you had posted a pic. I have noticed mine lighten alittle when she is out and moving around the room a bit nothing really dramatic. She was so dark when I brought her home that I really was confused. Probably prolonged stress or something since she wasn't from a happy home.

HumphreyBoagart

11-15-04, 02:31 PM

Same story with mine. After I finally got her to eat after trying everything for a month, she was noticably lighter and alot more active. Alot more fiesty and aggressive. It's a good thing though, back to her regular surinam-self.

Linds

11-15-04, 04:40 PM

They are the same snake, so there is no way of telling which place they were exported from. It was believed by some that pink snakes were Suris and Guyanas were the purplish kinds, but truth is that both 'types' come out of both places. If you look at a map it's the same chunk of land, the only difference is a man-made border that the snakes don't understand. They are virtually indistinguishable. The only reason Surinames are more pricey, is that it is apparently more expensive to export from Suriname than it is Guyana.

RepTylE

11-15-04, 05:00 PM

I looked up both Guyana and Surinam (been a few years since geography class). Seeing that the two countries are neighbours I guess that Linds is probably about the best source of info on this topic since she sure seems to be right on the money here.
I guess that it would be totally impossible to tell 100% where a boa came from in this instance unless you plucked it off a tree yourself lol. Not that it would make much difference except in price as she stated.