View Full Version : THIS makes me mad
BoidsUnlimited
11-12-04, 08:08 PM
Quoted from an Ad.
"I have only a few Wild Caught Baby Mexican Black Spinney-tailed Iguanas (Ctenosaura Pectinata) left.
These were caught here in Miami Florida as soon as they hatched.
They are an endangered species from Mexico and are no longer available except through captive breeding or from the wild populations in Miami Florida.
I have had these in captivity for about four months now and they are doing awesome eating cricket and veggies.
These guys are guaranteed to thrive."
Not only is he catching animals to make money. But they are SUPPOSEDLY endangered! If they truely are, wouldnt this be illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHH
B.U.
lostwithin
11-12-04, 08:20 PM
I don’t see the problem, other then the guy seems like he may be running a bit of a scam, If they are endangered it would be in they're natural habitat, he stated that they were caught from wild populations in Florida, which would be an introduced species, so I say they are better off sold then left wild. It's basically the same concept as selling stray cats, or charging an "adoption fee".
Catching them gets them out of the wild,
Selling them ensures somebody wont just get bored and re-release them because it would waste they’re money.
Devon
BoidsUnlimited
11-12-04, 08:24 PM
But if they are Endangered how can they be so easy to sell?
Oh well!
Thanks
Removed_2815
11-12-04, 08:33 PM
Devon just explained it....
Endangered is not necessarily a universal term, what is endangered in Mexico is not necessarily endangered in Florida. And if it is a feral animal (I didn't see that in the ad, nor do I wish to look it up) then wild collection is a non-issue, as they are not native.
Ryan
mudflats
11-12-04, 08:33 PM
Easy to sell of course, what person wouldn't want to say to there buddies " Hey i have a endangered animal". You could sell them so easy it wouldnt even be funny.
When i say what person wouldnt want to say that, i am not speaking for myself or the general public, but of course there are tons of individuals like that out there, look at hots for example.
BoidsUnlimited
11-12-04, 08:34 PM
Alright thanks then!
Selling them ensures somebody wont just get bored and re-release them because it would waste they’re money....
you`re joking right??
where do you think the major population of introduced species come from
BoidsUnlimited
11-12-04, 08:42 PM
I was once at a local reptile show.
There was a booth with a TON of little Alligators and a YOUNG couple looking at them!
The man said "I'm going to get one."
The woman said "What will you do when it gets big."
THe man said "Just toss it in the river its only 75 bucks"
I just adopted an iguana from Our SPCA 6 monthsago because it was found in a park in our city....
BoidsUnlimited
11-12-04, 08:51 PM
Was its owner found?
How large?
It was probably released if its a large one.
Oh ya...good job for you on adopting it!!!!!!!!!!!
mudflats
11-12-04, 08:51 PM
Selling them ensures somebody wont just get bored and re-release them because it would waste they’re money....
was that refering to my post?
lostwithin
11-12-04, 08:52 PM
Ok I realize spending money won’t stop people from releasing them, obviously people do it, but it does help to detour them a bit.
Devon
mudflats
11-12-04, 08:55 PM
Oh ok, it was to lostwithin. But in fact it won't detour them a bit. A captive born iguana here is around 6-7 dollers. Who cares if they toss that out the window. Obviously noone, populations on iguanas are so high here in florida its crazy.
Nah.. They didn`t find the owner - she is pretty huge almost 4 ft - she`s still really skinny though - I gave her a small room to herself with a big window and a perch in the window and a big pond, and a jungle gym with a big mirror and stuff- believe me I would have never got an iguana - But I felt so bad for her and the SPCA had no idea how to care for her
*edit* igaunas here are 40.00 captive bred
BoidsUnlimited
11-12-04, 08:57 PM
Well good for you!
You still have a UVB setup though right?
Windows filter UV rays.
Oh yeah she` got her Uv hanging right above the window so when she basks in the window and watches shes getting her uv`s too...
Scales Zoo
11-12-04, 09:51 PM
Captive bred iguanas for $40?
I don't know of anyone in Canada captive breeding Iguanas, petstores usually get farmed or captive hatched iggies for about $5 each.
Ryan
wetlander
11-12-04, 10:03 PM
The problem is that they are an endangered animal and if they are wild caught or you can't prove they are bred in captivity, then you can't prove they were not illegally captured in their home range and smuggled into the country.
I have no problem with the idea of capturing exotics and selling them on the market, but there are too many untrustworthy individuals out there who would have no problem with wiping out an endangered species to make a quick buck.
Just my opinion.
Doug
yeah but the pet stores don`t sell the captive hatched iguanas for 5 $ they sell them for 39.95.... at least in Saskatoon they do
Scales Zoo
11-12-04, 10:23 PM
Captive bred is very different from Captive hatched, that was what interested me.
Ryan
mudflats
11-12-04, 10:46 PM
These species of iguana are all over south florida, so i would trust there wild caught in florida.
BoidsUnlimited
11-12-04, 10:48 PM
If you read the post Ryan.....it says wild caught.
But ya, why would anyone breed Iguanas when so many are wild caught.
DO NOT get me wrong. If my efforts in breeding iguanas would or even COULD stop the WC trade....I would go out and buy about 5 or 6 pairs.
Yeah Ryan I guess you`re right - I should have said farmed or captive hatched - because I think you are right I don`t think anyone here does breed them - The mothers are usually just caught in the wild when gravid and then the people just incubate the eggs and say they are captibe bred -
I guess what I was getting at was the price difference over here for an iguana and over there
I should have been more specific
KLReptiles
11-15-04, 09:33 AM
Boids Unlimited: Capture of nonnative wildlife in florida is not only permited but encouraged too. Many nonnative species thrive in the envirorment there, threatening the survival of native species there. Personally I see the capture of nonnative species a good thing, it doesn't impact the populations of the ones in mexico. It's an all win situation, good for the native species in florida, good for the endangered species in Mexico and good for the collector that wants something endangered but doesn't wish to impact the population of the animal in it's native habitat.
If I lived in Florida it's what I'd be doing in my spare time.
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