With the killing? Or against?

[mudflats]

Exotics in south florida, nothing new. But should these animals be killed ogishly? Of course not in my opinion, and hopefully everyone elses. A few species of lizards breeding and abundant and exotic to florida are, the green iguana, the nile monitor and the knight anole etc etc.. Few snakes are the burmese python, rock python, green anaconda, javan wart snake etc etc. The lsit goes on and on and on. Some thoughts are, There exotics, no right to be in florida, kill them who cares. Well shucks, illegal aliens dont belong here and niether do most snow birds ( make traffic horrible) should we slaughter them? I myself have seen wardens and you can go up and ask one yourself from glades national park, cut the head off of huge 10-12 foot burms, shooting them is done constantly( yeah a few bullets is going to kill a adult burm, mosquitos are worse here). Sure they dont belong here but do we really need to kill them? Fact of the matter is...THERE HERE TO STAY! Killing acouple a night isnt going to decrease populations drastically, its just barbarick. Florida's exotics are considered natives in most cases. Every anole you see are not from here except the green. But we see browns etc. as native lizards, same with knight anoles with locals in miami. I mean basically i am asking what do you all think? Is this right or wrong? I dont see how killing animals because they dont belong here is right. How about we go out and kill 400 brown anoles, that'll teach em'. Heh, no it wont. There here to stay. Sure they kill our native wildlife but did they ask to be put in the Everglades. No they did not, It was bob down the street that had a daughter and it became to dangerous. And its hard to get rid of a 15 foot snake, so why not let it go in the giant swamp land. Idiots have done this, these animals do not need to suffer and be killed in my opinion. Just like an old women form up north, here on a summer vacation. Feeds mr. gator in the back some left overs, one day the gator gets alittle to happy during "feeding time" and whamo there goes here leg. So the gator gets treated like a dragon and gets killed. Same principal. Your comments please. thanks

[CamHanna]

They're not native. They displace native wildlife. Kill'em all!

As for the 'Snowbirds', they got there by their own means (i.e. without being introduced by another species) so who's to say that they don't belong. In such densities though they become destructive. I support deer culls to control density, but that is a ridiculous comparison.

Cam

[BoidKeeper]

They're not native. They displace native wildlife. Kill'em all!
Yup.

[JimmyDavid]

IF we don't understand nature, let's just stay out of it. A flower also needs a bee to carry "alien" polen to other places. Perhaps it took many years of evolution so that man could bring the (let's say) burmese python to Florida, Where she will do well and live on (maybe it was meant that way, all along). She will replace other predators?!? Too bad, it's natural history in the making.
Recently it was found that there are no original human races native to America! They found a passage from Asia and travelled there. Tribes from the Amazon are just a bunch of relocated Mongolians or so. What changes must they have caused in the environment with their arrival, we don't know.
All things considered, this has been the natural history of planet earth all this time. Traveling and settling! Directly or
indirectly (like the flowers).

[mudflats]

You all can say "kill'em all" now because your way up there in canada. But i can bet you if you where here i florida and you saw a wild burmese, you wouldnt do so. An by saying snowbirds (tourists) it was a joke. But i would like to see both of you encounter a large 12-13 footer and do what you refered to doing. I seriously doubt that.

[bistrobob85]

Very interesting question... I dont think i'm for a slaughter but i'm pretty much against the exotics breeding outside of their own ecosystem... It's actually a pretty good thing we don't have so many exotics roaming free in canada, well anyways they end up dying in the winter... This problem comes from irresponsible herpers leaving their animals and that's the real problem! There wouldn't be any wild exotics if some idiots didn't release them around! Those people are hearthless and mindless of nature, i dislike them with a deep passion.

phil.

[Ontario_herper]

I've caught 2 species of large python "up here" in the wilds of Ontario. I took both exotic snakes home with me. If I had decided that there was no suitable home to palce them with, I certainly would not have left them to remain "wild". The most likely option would have been to put them in the freezer.

I wouldn't have been happy about having to kill these two snakes. But I'm also not the PETA type... I have no real problem with seeing these two snakes (or other exotics) put to death to avoid disturbing the natural swing of thing.

[Tim_Cranwill]

I think they need to be killed. :( Sad but true...

Look at what's happened in Australia with the cane toads, rabbits, foxes and cats just to name a few. It can be a major problem. It seems rather harsh to say "kill 'em all!" but that's pretty much what needs to be done. What else can you do, transfer them back to their "native" habitat? Not a chance.

Tough subject... that's for sure.

[mudflats]

This is why i have a problem with you all saying Kill'em all. You simply can not! You cant, it is not possible. There are to many cane toads here in florida to kill, or burmese pythons. Killing a few a night will not to crap. So why do it at all. I do have a problem with hearing of a anaconda constricting a large gator almost to death. Its not these exotics fault, its the idiots that let them go etc.. Why should they suffer? But to contradict myself it isnt the natives fault that the exotics got loose, Why should they suffer? lol, There is no right answer, I mean the right answer would be to terminate all the exotics, but we simply Can not. I mean these wardens are having truck fulls of burmese killed each week. The one night me father and i obtained 4 of ours, where out of the back of a truck. There must have been 20-30 piled up, not small guys either, but 10-15 footers, all tied up like gators. This is wrong, and although i am against exotics, I dont see this going anywhere. The numbers we kill each week are staggering, yet there populations are going strong. Its to late.

[bistrobob85]

It's not too late, the only thing that should be done is to block the burmese imports... keep up the work, even if it's tons of gore, remember that the massacre is not about killing, but about leaving the native species living and out of harm...

[bistrobob85]

It's not too late, the only thing that should be done is to block the burmese imports... keep up the work, even if it's tons of gore, remember that the massacre is not about killing, but about leaving the native species living and out of harm...

[bistrobob85]

Sorry, it double posted for some reason...

[Gary D.]

Ok, well It may be too late to kill them all, but when you consider that over the life of that animal it will consume X many indiginous animals, breed and create X many more to again consume more indiginous animals. The best solution is to eliminate as many as is possible to reduce the stress on the native populations.

Now admittedly I do not live there and all the information is not before me first hand, but I personally am not convinced that the lager constrictors are that much of a problem in the grand scheme of things. They typically will not become THE apex predator as it has been shown that the alligators maintain that roll regardless of the pythons. They typically feed on the nutria which in themselves are a problem and thus don't out compete such indiginous herps such as the indigos because of the vast numbers of available prey. Juvinile pythons are also being predated by local wildlife such as birds, racoons, alligators, etc.

Again the green iguana occupies it's own niche which does not drastically affect indiginous species.

Nile monitors are another story, as they will eagerly eat any native species or eggs thereof which they come across and are capable of exploiting all strata. Infact in this situation python presence may reduce the impact of the monitors.

GD

[mudflats]

Gary D. you are pretty much right on target. They dont impose a major threat, speaking the burmese. But although they do eat the swamp rats, rabbits etc.. They do pose a threat to the other wildlife such as other birds. The green anacodnas are really ni problem being theres not to many of them, Yet. Nile monitors are a big oopsie, buit are not in the everglades,there more central florida. Bistrobob85, it is definetly to damn late to extemrinate all the burms. An to stop the importing and breeding of burms will never happen. Not to many people here are opening there eyes to how big this problme can lead to.But id ont think are attitude needs to be, They took our homes, Kill'em all.

[Gary D.]

I would say that there should be an an environmental impact assessment done to ascertain the damage created by the pythons. Naturally killing a large number is required (which is currently the norm anyway) to ascertain population density figures and inspection of stomach contents as a vital first step. After which it can be discerned wheather or not the expendature of resources spent on trying to control the population(s) is necessary.

If I lived in FLA I'd be all over that.

GD

[clint545]

I think there are a few ways to go about it without having to kill all of them. I'd like to say have some sort of bounty on live animals caught and brought in, but the downside of that would be, you'd have inexperienced people out there trying to catch large snakes and lizards for a quick buck.
And even if they are brought in, what are they going to do with them, a zoo or a hobbyist with a big heart can only take in so many large animals and take care of them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there might be a decent way to take care of the problem, but they're end up killing them in the long run. It's the easiest and quickest way

[lostwithin]

Unfortunately I have to side with the "kill them" side, as much as I may think they are beautiful animals, any introduced species they will only do harm to the ecosystem, and there is nothing we can do about it other then too kill them, they are wild so should be collected for captivity and even if we were to collect them there is no room for them that’s why they probably were released in the first place. They also cannot be relocated to their native habitats because that would be just as damaging if not more to there native systems. And it is obvious that we cannot allow them to continue reproducing in the wild and destroying the native ecosystem. So whets left?? Kill them, its all we can do, and even those who think "killing a few of them wont help" it has unfortunately been proven time and time again that humans are experts at pushing species into extinction, this is just one case where it should be encouraged, so if we can spend resources trying to save animals and still they get hunted into extinction I'm sure we can handle wiping out a species when its encouraged.
It’s the sad but true.

Devon

[chong_python]

To bad burmese python is not a food source . lol



Its a hard question for me (and im sure im talkin about many other as well) to answer this question being the herp lovers that we all are. But ask yourselves, if lions tigers and other high threat cat species came over, becoming a majority....would you thoguhts be the same, you think we should leave them to prey on our native wildlife( and in some cases our food ), reproduce adapt, and evuntually take over the world? hahaha -- a bit extreme but you can ctach my drift lol

[lostwithin]

hey there’s an idea, turn our mistake into something that might be temporarily useful. There are thousands of starving people who I’m sure wouldn’t turn down a nice meal of python meat. We have to kill them all any way, why not process them and let somebody benefit from our mistake. It may seem weird to us, but that just us lots of people eat reptiles. Good thinking even if it was meant as a joke that is one of the best ideas I have heard,


Devon

[bistrobob85]

I, as a matter of fact would be willing to pay a good price for such exotic meals! I'm absolutely sure that burmese ARE a food source!! I'm actually wondering why hasn't anybody thought about breeding them for human food in North America... We only have to find the way to eat them, ask some people from Asia how they eat them and we might learn lots of interesting facts!

phil.

[marisa]

http://www.netcooks.com/recipes/Soups/Snake.Meat.Shreds.Soup.html

[beanersmysav]

I agree with those who say there is no right answer, but thats for the time. And I agree with those who said none of us are natives, so since none of us belong, and we randomly shoot deer, and bear and anything else you can get a permit for isn't this interfering with the "natural swing of things"? If it weren't for us whose to say that the 4 point buck you shot wouldn't grow to be a 30 pt record setting buck of some sort? I mean its rediculous to kill them because like people have said you can't kill them all and if we even come close the 5 or 6 left will find eachother and breed I'm sure. But everyones got their oppinions there is no right or wrong it just is what it is. Also on the food source idea, i do believe niles are one of the issues, and I've read that savannahs are concidered a delicacy, the nile cant be too far off them you wouldnt think.

[CamHanna]

I would argue that humans are no less native to the Americas than camels to Asia, or iguanas to the Galapagos.

Primitive camels originated in North America and crossed the same bridge that ancestral North Americans did. Iguanas boarded floating vegetation and drifted to the Galapagos, just as my European ancestors boarded a boat and found their way here.

Burmese pythons did not expand in to Florida by their own means, rather, they were planted their by another species. They are exotic and have no place outside their native range.

[concept3]

beaner, you connot even bring hunting into this. Hunting is a way of survival and a way to get FOOD. The deer are not here because a bunch of people brought them here stuffed them in a pen and let them loose. Humans killing deer IS natural, burmese pythons in florida are NOT. At least use a valid comparison.

[beanersmysav]

im sorry but i cannot think of one hunter who acctually needs the food? Those who do probably dont use nor can they afford a liscense especially the way NY is getting with the prices. In my oppinion it is a valid comparison. And truthfully how do you know for sure burmese were never in florida? Ever heard of the great continental divide. Sure maybe they werent but we know jack and we shouldnt interfere with nature in my oppinion weither they get there by a human releasing them, being there naturally or evolving from something else in the area. Also im not totally against hunting, native americans who hunted were justified and the playing field was level they used spears and such we use guns multiple speeds of the animal, come on now if you can afford a gun and liscense you can afford food

[CamHanna]

Yes, we do have some effective hunting tools; but is it not our right to gain an advantage over our prey? Chimpanzees hunt with saliva on a stick, and Egyptian vultures obtain some of their prey (i.e. eggs) with a falling rock. Our tools are more effective but I don't believe we can break any rules (survival of the fittest) simply by being too smart. Are cheetahs too fast?

It is true that those who hunt deer could almost certainly afford farmed food, but why is it less appropriate to hunt deer? The production of alternative animals likely has a more drastic impact on the environment as these animals require a tremendous amount of energy and land (for housing, food production and waste disposal) as well as employees and products (drugs, tools, electronics and so on) to be maintained. Deer are comparatively inexpensive, for the hunter and for the environment. We are a 'natural' predator of deer; they are our 'natural' prey.

Returning to the original topic, I think it would be interesting (as GaryD suggested) to see stomach contents of the pythons.

[concept3]

I would rather eat meat from a deer than that of a growth hormone steroid pumped cow that lived its life trapped in a pen peppered with its own fecal matter.

[nat_the_brat]

not to mention the environmental impact that cattle herds have left on the enviroment particulary in the once forested regions of south america and not to mention in any other country with a large beef industry. Hunting deer is much more enviro friendly than eating cattle however there isnt enough deer or any wildlife for that matter to sustain a population like n. america unless everyone would volunteer to drastically cut back their meet consumption.

as for the exotics in non-native areas... I would much rather go after the jerks who dumped them. I would think twice if I knew there was going to be a severe fine and /or jail time. But then you get into the whole messy matter of tracking animals and who owns them and what animals found dumped belong to who... I agree though that preserving the natural habitat and natural organisms living in that ecosystem should be and have to be protected from alien species.

some people use the argument that everything in n. america is basically non native anyways but through evolution those animals were selected by nature to fill certain niches which balances the system so that there's enough to sustain the varying populations. Simply introducing an alien species is not evolution nor is it something that ecosystems adapt to without having to sacraficing native species that compete for the same niches as the introduced ones.

[nat_the_brat]

sorry for typos... finished writing some term papers and brain isn't working anymore.

[JimmyDavid]

Not too long ago, some of you posted that you couldn't see a rat or g.pig being constricted (poor little things) and now i find some of the same saying "kill em' all" when it comes to reptiles. I don't understand...

[marisa]

There is a large differance in my mind between a guinea pig being eaten by a captive snake over a species invading an area.

Some areas in my mind are more important wild life wise than others. Florida, Hawaii, Austrailia being a few examples. These are HIGHLY delicate ecosystems that might not be able to handle what another area can.

I honestly feel they should do all they can to trap and eliminate all non-native reptiles in Florida. Simply to protect the already unstable populations of native reptiles there.

Marisa

[BWSmith]

They are not native and need to be extirpated. But the govt is going about it all wrong. If you want to get rid of the pythons, cobras, monkey, etc ....................... OPEN A HUNTING SEASON with no bag limit. Hunters would jump at the chance to take out a 15 foot snake or a monkey.

The kicker for me was visiting some friends in Ft Lauderdale and seeing Jackson's Chameleons, Cane Toads, and a Savannah monitor in the wild.

[mudflats]

Jimmydavid, exactly. Recently i heard about hundreds on marine toads or canes toads around lake in dade county. Where where called to basically Kill'em all. When i got to this canal/lake and saw how many there where it was disgusting. But i captured one and took my time to observe these creatures, there amazing. Not there fault they where introduced here. So to all of you saying Kill'em, you might be refering to what you want Other people to do. But i know for afact you willl not take a hatchet to a burm. I just ask that you all dont pull the terminater BS, there is another way to do this, i am looking for ideas. Because killing them all, is not an option, it is impossible.

[BWSmith]

As a side note, if you want to see the potential of invasive species ................. look at GUAM!

[BWSmith]

But i know for afact you willl not take a hatchet to a burm.

That is a very bold statement, and you are wrong. If it means protecting my native ecosystem, I will shoot a Burm in a heartbeat. I would kill Cane Toads all day long if they were in my area. I have 6 cats, but I feel that every ferel cat on state parks and wildlife refuges should be killed. I even have a kitten that I got at a state park, but I will still do what it takes to protect our native species. So do not presume that everyone is in your mindset. Some of us are fine "pulling the trigger"

[Tim_Cranwill]

Originally posted by mudflats
I just ask that you all dont pull the terminater BS, there is another way to do this, i am looking for ideas. Because killing them all, is not an option, it is impossible.

But you asked if we were WITH/FOR the killing or AGAINST. What other options do we have? You only gave us TWO!

[JimmyDavid]

Humans are the only species that justify killing with reasons. A burm has the same right to live being in India or Florida. You said it yourselves "it's not their fault they are there", so there's got to be better ways.

[nat_the_brat]

again with the killing of non native wildlife... some of you say you will do whatever it takes to protect the ecosystem which I think is very noble statement... but rather then state you would put your efforts towards the destruction of animals that never asked to be placed there in the first place I don't see why more people are directing that energy towards prevention and punishing those who caused the exotics to be loose in the first place. Honestly, I don't even know why pet stores are allowed to sell exotics like burms... as impluse buys. I mean if you are serious and knowledable about owning a 16+ foot snake you would go through a breeder anyways.

[nat_the_brat]

sorry for the run on... I just think exotics are way to easily accessed by those who are buying them as novelty resulting in the thousands that are dumped annually after the appeal wears off. I think if this aspect was address some way or another I think that we would at least see partial reductions in the exotics being dumped and that would be start. Novelty animals are often purchased through the pet stores... and yes I am aware that someone who isn't serious about his pets could still go through a breeder but its less likely that they would invest the time and money in getting the snake.

[lostwithin]

Just got caught up on this post and decided I had a bit more to say on the subject, I can see why some people don’t like the idea of killing them all. I can also see why people might think we only say that because it’s not us personally who would do the killing. But I know there are many people who would in fact do the killing, I know I would and I LOVE Burmese pythons, I own two of my own and would never harm either of them. But those animals that are introduced are also killing other animals.

The question isn’t “should we wipe out species of animals” it is “which species should we wipe out”. Weather we do it directly ourselves or indirectly through the species we introduced, animal species will be wiped out of these ecosystems. And what is REALLY important to realize is that is we hunt down the introduced species we are eliminating a population. If we don’t we are eliminating species that we can get back. So which would you prefer, Kill of some animals or Kill of some species.

And I agree completely if a species can thrive in an area there should be extremely strict policies on who should be able to own them, for obvious reasons.

Devon

[BWSmith]

some of you say you will do whatever it takes to protect the ecosystem which I think is very noble statement... but rather then state you would put your efforts towards the destruction of animals that never asked to be placed there in the first place I don't see why more people are directing that energy towards prevention

I offer a great deal of public education throughout the state. If there is more that I can do other than education, please let me know. But so far, it is the best solution I have come up with. Citizens are not in a position to "punish" irresponsible keepers. There are laws in place that punish for release of non-native wildlife. But unless a wildlife officer sees someone dumping a burm out of abag intot he swamp, it is difficult to enforce.

burm has the same right to live being in India or Florida. You said it yourselves "it's not their fault they are there", so there's got to be better ways.
In my humble opinion, no it does not. I am truly sorry that the animal was put in that position through no fault of its own, but it must be extirpated. Again, I say look at Guam. Boiga irregularis have completely destroyed the ecosystem beyond repair and cause unrecoverable extinction and extirpation. If a little tree snake can do that, imagine what a large constrictor can do. A snake that large could seriously devistate populations of keystone predators. And because of their small birth size and large adult size, they affect wide spectrum of native wildlife. Lets also not forget the problem with introduced pathogens.

I love snakes and most other animals, but sometimes you have to put logic and the good of the environment above your personal feelings.

[concept3]

I agree almost 100 percent with everything BWSmith said. If a not native species invaded alberta, no matter what it was I would pick up a rifle in a second. Its not the burms fault their their, Its ours, SO therefore we must fix our own mistake by any means neccesary. Yes of course it would be nice If we could capture everyone and give it a home but in REALITY it cant be done.. It would cost WAY to much and noone has enough room.
Why should the government or anyone spend money on rescuing those snakes when their is PEOPLE one the streets starving that need rescuing? Mudflats if you want to save the world give your money and efforts to unicef or somthing.

[mudflats]

I have done my part in doing all that i can, and it obviously has done nothing, not one bit. Just looking for more ideas on what can be done, and my mind set was on that everyone would be on the same track as me and look for an allternitive other then killing them. Guess not. I have tried capturing, giving many juveniles away to homes i know they will keep, and winde up killing hundreds threw the years ( not i, but the rangers helping) , None is seeming work, and noone wants to deal with large aggresive snakes.

[BWSmith]

I honestly don't think there is much else that CAN be done other than killing invasive species. Current laws need to be enforced with greater penalties and we need to continue educating in order to discourage releases. But I see no other alternative for wild populations of ferel species. If they can be captured alive, then it MAY be possible to find homes for them. But I have had my share of rescue Burms come in, and they are hard to place in responsible homes. But I am picky. I will not place a Burm with anyone that may breed it and thus contribute to the problem. In the end, euthinization may be the most humane course, as they cannot stay in a foreign wild to destroy it, albeit no choice of theirs.

A small bounty on ferel species may help get the public involved. Hunters at least. I still say that a hunting season on ferel species would get a great number of people looking for them. Not only that, but it would create revenue. Not only are the "Ferel Hunters" not getting paid, but they have to PAY the state for a hunting lisence. Recude invasive species and bring revenue to Florida, Georgia, and the Federal Fish and Wildlife. Not a bad plan off the top of my head. :D

[mudflats]

How would someone go about doing soemthing like that BW? Should i write a letter to the Florida fish and wildlife commision, and see what can be done, or take another approach? Becase what we are doing now is obviously not enough. An i think your idea on opening a season for them, is a last resort on what must be done. jon

[JimmyDavid]

Can we locate each and all alien animal in Florida?"No, but we can kill those that we come across"-you say. Well, in my opinion
that's never gonna solve the issue and you're left with just simple violence. Besides i still think that an animal that manages to survive in an environment, deserves it's place there. That's what the history of species has been all along, survival. You may say this and that, but who asked human beings to be the "police of the natural world"?
Sorry, i respect your ideas (i really do), but it's just a matter of definion. I think it's cruel to directly kill an animal, you might find cruel that i see no crime in a species replacing another.

[mudflats]

i agree with JimmyDavid almost 100% except for the fact that i now just got. Will killing and trying to elliminate all exotics hurt Foridas ecosystem, NO it will help. I would much rather kill burmese pythons then see out native wildlife go down the drains, ie: juvenile gators, birds and other mammals. We need to eliminate all the exotics before they eliminate all the natives. I still would love to have another method other then killing, that was the purpose of this post, to get more ideas. But it seems killing is the only option.

[CamHanna]

I don't know that I like the idea of an open hunting season. It may well elimate the burms but it will also draw every trigger-happy redneck with a shotgun into a national park. I would rather see a well governed commercial harvest, whether it be for skins, animal feed or human consumption. I am sure there would be a healthy market for large pythons throughout North America (as I believe was mentioned).

[JimmyDavid]

I realise your goals are fine, but your ways are too extremist, people. And extreme behaviour leads to Violence, wich i disagree with. And Violence breeds more violence...
Chinese wisdom : " What makes a man noble is not wether or not he achieved his goals, but what means he used to get there."

Sometimes we think we have the right to preserve nature AS WE KNOW IT, wich we don't. We only have the right to preserve nature's hability to continue evolving, and that's what we are leaving for future generations.
Having the nostalgic wish for the world to freeze in a copy of our lifetime's is not right, since species have been migrating, replacing others, getting extinct, etc since the dawn of life. And so it must continue, and we, my friends, are way too little to see the big picture...
So what if some snow bird migrates to Florida and does better than the local birds?! If it conquered the environment, deserves it's place there.
Sometimes, man should be more of an observer and let nature just take it's course.
Maybe in a 1000 years, people will talk of how a pet craze brought Great species to Florida, How those species started to breed and against all odds, they survived a "panic kill" from the locals. The children will laugh then, because it's just too natural for them to see pythons and monitors around, and can't imagine Florida without them.
What species will be extinct then? Wich species will be doing good? Does it matter? Shoul we really stunt nature's course?
Sure, Burms arrived by "artificial" ways, since man's involved, but isn't the remedy your sugesting also artificial then, besides of violent?

[marisa]

So you do not agree with Australia and Guam killing invaders? They should allow cane toads and green snakes to take over the area?

I agree with many of your points but there is also a time to STOP invaders when they are absolutly killing native wildlife.

Marisa

[BWSmith]

This is NOT a natural process of nature no matter how you look at it. It is not a migration or natural selection. It is a situation that humans have caused, so we must do what we can to correct the problem. We cannot just ask the invasive species to leave. I think that it is hard for many to understand that do not live near the problem and see it first hand.

[lostwithin]

JimmyDavid, I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with you, the way your looking at it makes no sense, you would rather see us leave animals thrive at the expense loosing complete species? This is not natural at all we picked species up from one part of the world carried them across oceans, and dropped them off on the other side, that’s not natural.
If we were to live by your logic we, as humans would be the only species on earth because killing an introduced species is no different then protecting an endangered one. In both cases we are trying to allow nature to progress by its own terms, not ours. You are right, we should allow nature to take its course, and the way to do that is to remove the unnatural parts.

Devon