Cant make a decision..

[Bartman]

So ive been looking at a couple species lately, as (when its built) I will have a new rack system with three empty rubbermaids, so you know what that means...they need filling :)

Ive cut my options down to a pair of milksnakes or a tiger rat snake. For the rat snake though, he wouldnt be able to live in a rubbermaid for very long so I think thats out, plus im told they're extremely hard to find. CB babies that is.

Im open to other suggestions, but do you think milks are good. I have corns so im assuming their somewhat like them. I realize i make the final decision, but what similar snake would you get instead if you could.

Thanks!

[capsicum]

Ok, I have no experience (yet) with keeping a rack system, but I think rats are awesome :D Some much variety too!

Good luck with making your final decision!

TK

[monitor boy]

hey man
go with ratsnakes,kingsnakes,spotted pythons,sand boas, ball pythons,

[Bartman]

Yea..hmm.

I was told a pair of ratsnakes (tigers) need a ton of space. Is this true? Could a pair be housed comfortably in a 5x2x2, or is that way to big/way to small?

I cant find any good caresheets on these guys!

[V.hb]

I don't think spilotes should be housed together year round'

And they do require alot of space, very active species.. I dont think they would be a good choice for you. Go with the milks.

[JonD]

Why don't you just buy what you like instead of having people recommend what you buy?;)

[Bartman]

haha, well I just want to know the difficulty of owning the tiger compared to a milk, really..

I just love the tigers, but it looks like they'll be to much..although I dont really know as there are no caresheets on them. Or books at that. I can barely find any info on these guys.

Let alone I doubt they'll be any at the show.

[snakers55]

From experience, go with the milks.. Spilotes can be a handful..

[Ixidor]

Or.......you could buy a couple leos! I have a 0.2 pair of hypos wink wink. Nah im j/k go for the milks, there my favorite snakes besides BP's

[rwg]

Tiger rats and any milksnakes I'm familliar with are not very similar. If you really love the spilotes, go for it man. I love them too, and if I ever find a nice looking CBB pair, I'll be bringing them home, but I know they're not the easiest snakes to keep compared to milks.

You cant go wrong with a nice breeding pair of hondurans. With all due respect to all the selective breeding going on, I like a nice dirty normal hondo with lots of tipping. :) Sinaloans are pretty cool too.

[Invictus]

SPOTTED PYTHONS!!! Can't go wrong with spotties. :)

[Cruciform]

Instead of getting animals because you just want to fill up a hole in a shelf, why not wait until you find something you absolutely fall in love with and then get that.

[Vanan]

A Spilotes would definitely not do well in a rack system for too long. They get too big and are arboreal. Other smaller NA ratsnakes may work. Besides, it also depends on the size of tubs you're using.

[mudflats]

Every recent post of yours, you can not make up your mind. First it was getting another bci now its this. Why dont you concentrate on starting one project, instead of having 50 that are only half accomplished. Just my opinion, but if you keep getting new snakes that dont help out with what you have now, you will go no where breeding wise.

[rwg]

I gotta disagree with mudflats...sort of. I'm all over the place with my interests right now because I'm still getting experience with various species, and figuring out what I like, and what I'd like to breed in the medium to long term. Sure, it may go nowhere breeding wise, but there's more to the hobby than just breeding, especially for the relatively new hobbyist.

rg

[mudflats]

I own many species i never intend to breed. This hobby is about learning and observing the animals, sure breeding is major part but its not what makes this whole hobby. it just seems in this one case changing your mind every month on a new animal wont help, because form what i understand Bartman wants to start breeding soon, and having all these extra animals wont help with costs etc.. I may be wrong, and dont mean to come off as a dictater as to what you have to do. But costs are what'll get you, do what you want its you animals, but if it was me i would concentrate on doing what i gotta do to get to breeding. And then splerge on animals. just my 2 sence

[Bartman]

I dont know, maybe im giving off wrong messages...but I have no intention to begin breeding in large scale. Maybe one thing just for pure facination. I actaully couldnt think of anyone making money in this hobby unless you've got high end morphs or a massive breeding project.

With the bci, I just wanted a female to breed, but have decided they get big (which isnt the main case) and it would be hard to get rid of babies.

What I always want is more reptiles, I dont care about breeding or anything (not really now anyway), just to get the reptiles that facinate me most. Obviously I want to breed, so I cant say I dont, but I have no intention, yet do I even have the room, for a larger breeding project.

If I were to get the rat snakes, I wouldnt be keeping them in a rack system. Earlier in this thread, I asked if a pair would be okay in a 5x2x2. No one seemed to get that. I would keep a baby pair in a rubbermaid for time yes, but not as adults, nor sub adults.

Thanks anyways..I think, but im going to decide closer to the next show, instead of the upcomming show. My rack/cage isnt completed anyhow.

[Brent Strande]

I think that it wasn't ignored and that you were told that they shouldn't be housed together.