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UnKnown
10-17-04, 07:21 PM
For some reason I have got banned 3 times, each time I had made a new user name. I was not informed I had done a thing wrong or warned. I only know of one morning I posted a message about rats and there babys in general discussion and it got removed, so I figure thats why I got banned, I would not have complained if I was notified that I would be abnned for a couple days to a month, but I wasn't.
Alien Regalis, is now informed and I PM'ed a couple of the moderators but they didn't replie, I know this will get removed and I will be banned but I know some people will read this and hopefully e-mail me, and give me there opinion, tarentolas@hotmail.com
Thanks,
Kevin McRae
proud2bcanadian
10-17-04, 07:24 PM
I would appreciate if no mods where to delete this, and actually explain why he was banned.
It's both good for him and for us, so that we know what NOT to do, and he knows what he may or may not have done wrong.
...No disrespect meant to anyone...
Thank you,
UnKnown
10-17-04, 07:31 PM
Agreed, I need to know, they should tell us what we did wrong..if anything;)
RepTylE
10-17-04, 07:48 PM
I will assume that there was a good reason for you being banned(no offence). You state that you don't understand why. An explanation is indicated and I hope that you get one.
UnKnown
10-17-04, 07:49 PM
I don't think so, I KNOW I didn't do any thing wrong...
UnKnown
10-17-04, 09:19 PM
Also, I don't get banned as long as I don't post in the sand boa forum.
CamHanna
10-17-04, 09:44 PM
I'm kind of curious aswell....
First of all, it's CLEARLY stated in the rules of the site that if you get three strikes, you'll be banned..
I can't tell you why you were banned unless you tell me what your name was that was infact banned.. Also, if you're banned and make another name and we find the new name, we will ban it WITHOUT warning.. So, let us know the name you had banned and i'll tell you why you were banned..
As stated in the forum rules at the top of the forum..
Ignorance is no excuse! Failure to make an effort to understand and adhere to the rules will result in a ban. A maximum of 3 strikes will be tolerated (3 for minor offenses, as little as 1 for more severe).
-Matt
ladyluck was banned, good job Matt!
Kevin, You were warned on Sept7/04 by Linds, you were also warned on Sept 20/04 by Trevor for posting a wanted ad for dogs in the General Discussion and your last offence was on Oct 14/04.. Three strikes, you become banned..
Again, making new names solves nothing, we'll ban them as we find them.. I'll let you read this thread and get your answers before anything further happens.. If you continue to make new names, we'll just ban your IP..
snakers55
10-18-04, 02:35 PM
Personally,I think it's kind of stupid that you get in $#!+ for posting about animals other than reptiles.. I think we need a category in the classifieds for non-herp related items.. I definately think that getting one strike taken off for posting about dogs isn't that fair.. I myself know of very few good and popular sites to post other animals... My first thought would have also been to post on here seeing as you can get so many people interested. Just my opinion..
Snakers: the site is called ssnakess.com not aanimalss.com. My opinion is that there is too much non-herp related content allowed on this site as it is.
Originally posted by snakers55
Personally,I think it's kind of stupid that you get in $#!+ for posting about animals other than reptiles.. I think we need a category in the classifieds for non-herp related items.. I definately think that getting one strike taken off for posting about dogs isn't that fair.. I myself know of very few good and popular sites to post other animals... My first thought would have also been to post on here seeing as you can get so many people interested. Just my opinion..
This forum is called ssnakess for a reason. You want to talk about dogs i'm sure there are many forums out on the net for one to post on.
The rules on this site are few and simple, and far less than most sites out there. I don't understand why so many people have so many problems... and if it is such a big deal... why stay around to complain about it??? Is it the *free* photo account? Or is it the *free* membership? Is it the *free* classifieds? Or maybe all the wonderful advice? Maybe all the countless hours of -volunteer- work (yeah that's right, we don't get paid for all our time spent here) or abuse the mods take?
snakers55,
You don't get a strike for posting about other animals, as anyone can clearly see in the General Discussion, however, you do get a strike for going against the rules re: no advertising in discussion forums re: no advertising of non-reptile related animals/items in the classifieds. These rules are hardly unfair. This is a reptile site (which many people seem to lose focus of from time to time), not a general pet site, there are many other pet sites that offer classifieds for other animals. You woudln't go posting reptiles for sale on a cat site, would you?
Originally posted by snakers55
I definately think that getting one strike taken off for posting about dogs isn't that fair.. I myself know of very few good and popular sites to post other animals... My first thought would have also been to post on here seeing as you can get so many people interested.
So basically what you are saying, is that because not everyone is familiar with all the sites and resources out there, we should cater to that, and anything otherwise is unfair? This site offers much more than most sites out there, yet it's just never enough... :confused:
Isn't that like a*huge* contradiction? Getting banned for posting about other animals and there's like page after page after page of responses about Pitbulls......???
Just an observation.
UnKnown
10-18-04, 03:24 PM
Agreed, why is there posting about Pit bulls?
There dogs too....I think I should at least be e-mail when I have been banned.
And I don't think the ban should be LIFETIME!
RepTylE
10-18-04, 03:24 PM
There was a thread that is still going on about the pitbull ban where a great many members participated in (myself included).
Many non-herp topics are discussed in the forum. I agree with Mykee about the overabundance of nonherp material. I choose however to ignore any content that doesn't suit me in the threads.
I don't bother with spider topics for instance since they don't have much appeal to me but I don't think any less of those who do like them. That is certainly nonherp related but no one has mentioned having distaste for it. On any given day you can find fresh threads on nonherp topics but for the most part that is taken in stride.
The forum exists for discussion and often in discussion there is disagreement. I hope that this site remains a place where someone can express themselves and ideas without fear of reprisals.
No contradiction at all. Unrelated topics are permitted in the General Discussion (within reason). That is part of the reason the GD is here, it is to allow a window in to all of our lives outside the reptile world, as we find it helps to contribute to the overall community vibe. Regardless, animal or not, there is no advertising allowed in the GD. And simply because we offer a small place for discussing things outside of reptiles, does not make this a general site of sorts, it is still a reptile site.
UnKnown
10-18-04, 03:31 PM
So i posted ONE message about dogs in general disscussion and i am getting abnned for it?
That is only 1 strike not 3....
And Kevin,
Why the stink? The rules are few and simple, and it is clearly stated that if they are not followed for any reason, you will be banned. You have made the choice to either not aquaint yourself with them, or ignore them, and as a result were banned. Case closed, the fat lady sings, the end. What is so hard to understand about that?
You made THREE offenses... we keep records, as Matt ALREADY posted on the previous page. You were warned by both myself and Trevor.
UnKnown
10-18-04, 03:36 PM
Cause I never broke a rule, you said 3 strikes and that is only one.
I had quite a few posts, and I make a TINY mistake and I am banned, if I wanted to do something to get banned I could of done it awhile back.
UnKnown
10-18-04, 03:37 PM
The last offence, should not of been counted.
Why can't i post about rats in this forum?
Other people post about there non herp pets...
There is a forum for rats, rabbits, etc. Had you looked around the forums, or looked over the rules and HOWTO guide, you would've known that, and you have posted in the wrong forum before, and were sent a pm that you had done so and recommended you check out the HOWTO Forum so that you didn't make the same mistake, but you chose to ignore that recommendation as well. But hey... not your fault, right?
chong_python
10-18-04, 03:43 PM
I think this is being taken way to seriously. I understand that he never followed a rule, But mistakes can be made and should be forgiven, Its not like he was making threats or making this place not suitable for younger audiences, But come on people he posted in the wrong forum, he didnt commit murder. I wouldnt have known, I didnt know that rule exsisted. I dont disagree with banning him for a week or mabey even 2, but to go to the extent of banning him for ever and then erasing his name evey time he joins is a bit to extreme and in my oppinon taking your job way to seriously, no disrespect to any one, Im glad that this site is here to help, i just find it comical
UnKnown
10-18-04, 03:44 PM
My oint exactly, it doen't look good under my name saying BANNED, if I am trying to make a sale, people will think I am banned for doing something horrible.
Which I didn't.
Originally posted by chong_python
I think this is being taken way to seriously.
We didn't crack down on the rules and didn't take enough seriously, and you obviously weren't around to see what happened to the site. We have been forced to take a zero tolerance approach with the site. You make the claim that you didn't even know the rule existed either? Well as has been clearly stated, 'ignorance is no excuse', it is everyone's responsibility as a member of the community to become aquainted with the rules, and in the event they do not, they still receive ample warning, and direction to do so, therefore that excuse cannot be even remotely valid. I don't even know how this can be debated, as the rules are so black and white, and we still give warnings and direction, they leave no room for such... :confused:
Kevin,
If you were so concerned with your appearance, you would have followed my advice to aquaint yourself with the rules and guidelines, and you ignored that. I don't know what else there is to say.
chong_python
10-18-04, 04:14 PM
ok, I understand that you should be familliar with rules and regulations ... but do you find it a bit extreme to ban some 1 like that, put your self in the shoes of the person who is getting banned for a silly reason. We all love this site very much, i cant imagine some 1 banning me not to acesss to help. I find it hard to belive that its happening for a reason as such. honestily, do you belive this reasonable. I know im fighting to loose here, im just trying to let you know, because comming from some one like me who could be banned at any time for soemthing as outrageous as this its just hard to understand why something like that would be taken as such an extreme, but where you are a mod and cant be banned, i guess you forgot on how people can make a mistake from time to time, Its not that im only taking the side of the person who is getting banned, but if some 1 could be banned for this, then some respected person on this froum who tends to give alot of information to people who need it could also be banned for a comical reason, if we keep banning people theres not going to be much of a community will it?,
i would just hate to see this place be turned into Alcatraz
once again no disrespect to ANYONE, just standing up for a reason that i feel should be debated
damzookeeper
10-18-04, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Linds
There is a forum for rats, rabbits, etc. Had you looked around the forums, or looked over the rules and HOWTO guide, you would've known that, and you have posted in the wrong forum before, and were sent a pm that you had done so and recommended you check out the HOWTO Forum so that you didn't make the same mistake, but you chose to ignore that recommendation as well. But hey... not your fault, right?
This may be a stupid question but are you saying you get a strike for posting something in the wrong forum? Like say you post something in the general forum instead of the boa forum, you would have a strike? Maybe I misunderstood that, please let me know if I did.
Brent Strande
10-18-04, 04:25 PM
chong...
The point that Linds is making is that he wasn't banned for no reason but instead for a third strike
I agree that Kevin seemed like a pretty good guy (and still does) but the rules are rules... I'm not sure what his other two were about, but for all I know: they could've been very offensive.
The only argument is that after a third strike (which means he was already warned twice) then a ban will occur.
I am not 100% familiar with the rules, as far as how to go about being unbanned, but I think that if after a set time one were to *politely* ask a mod if they could try coming back on a trial basis, it would be a reasonable request.
Anyways, like I said, I didn't see Kevin's ban coming... and am slightly disappointed as he seemed like a great guy! But all in all it wasn't the mod teams fault, they were only enforcing stated rules.
9/10 of the people banned for these reason are new members who come here to SPAM.. Have you ever noticed the classifieds full of ads for driftwood in EVERY forum?? Or open the home page and see 20 of the SAME thread cause someone felt the need to say, 'i own a ball python' in EVERY thread, including the joke forum?? It happens all the time and THAT'S what we're cracking down on.. We're also cracking down on the people who DON'T follow the rules..
The rules are in place for a reason. If you posted a thread saying you wanted to sell your Lab Puppies, it would be taken down and you would receive a PM telling you why... Would you do it again??? Likely not, you would now understand that this is the rule here and just not do it.. Now if you posted a question about breeding your rats in the Invert. forum and it got moved by a moderator, you would get a message from that mod telling you why it was moved and they would also let you know that we have a section for such a question and a link to the RULES would also be included.. Now if this happened to you and you KNEW that you had a warning, the next time you were posting a thread that had NO PLACE in the General Discussion about say, Anoles.. Would you post it there or in the Lizard forum?? Keep in mind you have already been told that it doesn't belong in the general discussion forum..
It's a blatant lack of respect towards the Admin and Moderators of this site who are DONATING lots of their free time to keep this site running the way that it does.. If you guys could see some of the PM's that we receive, you would be in awe.. And these PM's come from the members who don't break rules and members that do break rules..
Kevin, just out of curiosty, when you were told what the rules were given the link to the rules, did you read them????
Originally posted by Brent Strande
I am not 100% familiar with the rules, as far as how to go about being unbanned, but I think that if after a set time one were to *politely* ask a mod if they could try coming back on a trial basis, it would be a reasonable request.
We have on a few occasions now had members come to us and ask to be allowed back.. And we have, under certain conditions.. Not all members that are banned are NEVER allowed back.. But making new names every 20 minutes doesn't make your case any better.. All we ask is that you follow the rules and respect the other members and the site staff..
But all in all it wasn't the mod teams fault, they were only enforcing stated rules.
Thank you Brent!!
UnKnown
10-18-04, 04:37 PM
Not at that time, but I have read them before that message.
Can you refresh me and the other members what the 3 strikes were?
UnKnown
10-18-04, 04:40 PM
I would of asked to be allowed back, but in till now I never new why I was banned.....
I wanna come back, but I never new how serious it was for me getting banned...
mathaldo
10-18-04, 04:45 PM
Kevin...
Can you refresh me and the other members what the 3 strikes were?
HEre, back on the first page.
Kevin, You were warned on Sept7/04 by Linds, you were also warned on Sept 20/04 by Trevor for posting a wanted ad for dogs in the General Discussion and your last offence was on Oct 14/04.. Three strikes, you become banned..
Kevin McRae *** wrong forum Sept7/04 -Linds.
Want add for dogs in the general forum. Sept 20/04-Trevor. wrong forum - banned Oct 14/014 - Linds
Im sorry Kevin, as I agree with everyone in that you're not an annoying member (not that we have any :D ) and that you seem like a very decent guy.. But rules are rules..
UnKnown
10-18-04, 04:50 PM
And that is a life time ban...I think it
should be a month ban at the most...
That is a harsh punishment....
So a few post were in the wrong forums...oh no, the end or the world!
UnKnown
10-18-04, 04:54 PM
Okay got your PM Matt, and e-mail you..
Siretsap
10-18-04, 04:58 PM
Well we were all complaining about how the mods wouln't do their jobs before (well I was anyways) and I did see some changes in the posts. And some members did also put an effort in posting good posts and not all the bashing there was before.
If I could maybe give a suggestion, I do not know if it is easy to make, but you could have a pop up appear when new members want to post in a forum. So each time someone would wnat to post in a forum they haven't posted before, a pop-up would give them the fules for that forum.
UnKnown, if you take the time to talk with the moderators, I am sure you will be allowed back, you didn't seem like you were looking for trouble. I am pretty sure you will be able to work something out, cause you were allowed to have your post up for 3 pages, so you can clearly see they are negociating with you.
Sirestap, Then we'll see threads with people asking why ssnakess is full of pop ups!! :D
Yikes!!!! I wonder if I have any strikes:)
BoidKeeper
10-18-04, 05:38 PM
Anyone who gets a strike gets a warning. You'd know if you had a strike.
Cheers,
Trevor
Siretsap
10-18-04, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Matt_K
Sirestap, Then we'll see threads with people asking why ssnakess is full of pop ups!! :D
Well is there a way you could have a log on the accounts, the pop-up could be arranged to only appear when the person posts on a forum for the 1st time. Kinda like a cookie, once he has posted on the forum one time, it could be logged and the pop-up doesn't appear. I am just wondering.
Cause from what I can see, people tend to go directly to the forum and bypass the rules since it's put like a normal thread. Maybe put it in different color or something?
CHRISANDBOIDS14
10-18-04, 05:45 PM
LOL. I have a few points to make in this thread.
Kevin:
-Offense #1, you Violated the site rules. You WERE given a warning about it.
-Offense #2, you have ALREADY been given a warning about what you did.....and.....You do it AGAIN! You get another Warning.
-Offense #3, you have been given TWO warning already about the site rules and a link to them. You forget about reading the rules.....and then go out and make another violation of the T.O.S.(Terms of service). DUH your going to get banned, you get warnings and the link to the rules....and you VIOLATE them AGAIN!. LOL:p
Just a note from Mr. Obvious.
Kevin, I dont mean to come across as a Jerk. I always remeber the names of members that seem to be more offensive/jerky, and I know that I never noticed that about you. Im just trying to give a simple explanation why you were banned. I hope you and the mods can work it out that you can come back to the site after awhile. Thanks for taking the time to read the above, Kevin!
TO AGREE WITH ONE OF MATTS POINTS:
Matt, you said that 9/10 people that get banned come onto the site just to spam. I must agree with that about 99.9%! I see it ALL THE TIME. Probably once a week when I get on to the site, I open the home page and see the same thread 3+ times plastered across the new threads section, OR, I open the forums index, and see a name I have never seen on here before across the new posts space on the right of each forum, with that name down most of the sections! I dont even bother looking at those(I used to when I first noticed). Then later on(a few minutes later) I see the name of a Mod(EX: Matt K or Linds) as the last post on that thread and I see it several times. Obviously the person spammed. Its a problem and we should be grateful for the work of the mods/admins. Without them here, I dont even think I can take a stab at what kina crap the site would be. If they didnt inforce the rules on stuff like what we just saw with Kevin, the site guests would decided NOT to sign up because its not organized or its dumb or agressive, a little like "the other forum".
Thanks everyone for taking the time to read.
CHEERS!
C.
Tim_Cranwill
10-18-04, 06:03 PM
Yikes!
With the number of <b>complete</b> idiots on this forum, you guys choose to ban Kevin over basically NOTHING!?!?!?!
Maybe it's time I take a break from this site...
chong_python
10-18-04, 06:11 PM
Tim, i agree... Im in total awe by how much this is blow out of proportion, It is simpily childish.
Kevin sounds like some poor little kid. You guys are lame.
damzookeeper
10-18-04, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by Tim_Cranwill
Yikes!
With the number of <b>complete</b> idiots on this forum, you guys choose to ban Kevin over basically NOTHING!?!?!?!
Maybe it's time I take a break from this site...
I agree, I guess I have a strike on my name as well as just a short time ago I posted in the general forum instead of a specific snake forum, can't even remember which snake I was referring to now. lol, but I posted there so that it would get seen faster and I was told to it was moved into the right forum. I wasn't told I was being "warned", but apparently I was. Huh. Kind of a silly reason to be banned if you ask me. I can see if someone is harrasing or cursing or any other serious problems, but for posting in a wrong forum?? What's up with that? I realize we have rules and they should be abided, but that is just rediculous imo. And if they are going to strike a name because of that, I'll probably get another strike for speaking my mind here, don't you think?
I agree we do need to crack down on spammers and trolls and any jerks that come into the forum to sturr up trouble but there should be a line somewhere in between. Right?
That's just my 2 cents. Sorry if I offended anyone I didn't mean to, just want to speak my mind. Everyone has their own opinions on this and to each their own but imo, this is rediculous. :( I love this site, I just wish we could find an in between here.
Tim, I just sent you a PM, I hope you read it and take it all into consideration..
Soda, I can easily tell what category of member you fall under...
damzookeeper, you will NOT be warned or given a strike for speaking your mind..
We take what the members say and ask for and implement them into our sites rules.. We have had HUNDREDS of complaints about off topic posts and spamming of the classifieds with everything from, PS2's, X'box's, Guitars, Car Parts and Curling Irons over the last little while that we decided to implement new rules.. It was also a common occurance to have someone post something in a wrong forum and 2 minutes notice that 10 people replied, not with an answer or advice, but with 'this is in the wrong forum'. After then getting reports about things like this and complaints PM'd to us from members, we decided to implement this rule..
I understand why you guys are saying it's a harsh rule and that it's not fair to people to get banned for posting in the wrong forum, but at the same time, you're saying there are too many people spamming the forums with garbage.. Well, as unfortunate as it is, in order to weed out the TRUE spammers, we might end up getting rid of some productive members along the way.. And as stated earlier, we DO allow members to come back..
Anyway, everyone, your criticism is always welcome and if you guys feel there is ANYTHING that needs to be changed, by all means, let us know.. If you don't wanna do it on the site, you can PM any of the mods and they'll be willing to listen.. (that doesn't mean pm them and say, 'why is so and so a mod')..
We are after all, here for YOU guys..
-Matt
SaIiLdVaEnR
10-18-04, 07:02 PM
Is there a time interval between these strikes? Say, if you obtained a strike a year ago, and just recently you gained a second; would you get one in total or do both count even though there is quite a time gap?
Aidan
Soda, I can easily tell what category of member you fall under...
..really. !!!
Matt_K, I can also easily tell what category of moderator you fall under. This is the stupidest forum I've ever joined. Think I'll check out now.
c'ya, it's been real.
you'll be greatly missed... :rolleyes:
Aidan, that's a good question, we've never ran into that problem as of yet, but im sure it will come up now and we'll address it..
CHRISANDBOIDS14
10-18-04, 08:52 PM
Yah, well obviously this guy got the PM and did it AGAIN. Obviously just a simple PM doesnt work.
C.
Corey Woods
10-18-04, 09:38 PM
I've been banned twice now..........currently have 2 strikes against me. If I were to get banned from this site I wouldn't dwell over it.......it would actually be kind of nice to have more time for the animals.......I spend too much time on the net as it is. It's not the end of the world. If I get banned for speaking my mind so be it.............I'm not going to change because some moderator told me too...lol.
My advice to you is don't dwell on it...........No offense to anyone but their are more important things out their than being a member of a website.
I can see both sides of the coin......rules are rules........although I think their are degrees at which they should be enforced. Posting inappropriate material shouldn't be allowed........but being an idiot and posting on the wrong forum shouldn't be grounds for banning (unless the guy just didn't get the message).
Corey
SCReptiles
10-18-04, 09:50 PM
I have probably been banned and un-banned more then anyone in the history of this site. The people that run this site are fair-minded, if you talk to them right, they will work with you. Good luck to you. =)
SaIiLdVaEnR
10-18-04, 10:00 PM
Okay, cool, I'd like to know... not because I am planning on doing anything like that just curious I guess.
Aidan
Originally posted by Matt_K
Aidan, that's a good question, we've never ran into that problem as of yet, but im sure it will come up now and we'll address it..
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. It isn't like "oh, you posted in the wrong spot, therefore you are banned forever with an 'x' branded on your forehead", it is rather that there is a blatant disregard for the rules and function of the site. We don't ban for one or two small offenses, but if you choose to ignore our heads up and guidance, that is just a slap to our faces, and you only have yourself to blame. The rules are there because the past events have led us to implement such. Whether they are minor or major, rules are rules, and we give enough chances. If people choose to ignore all of the guidance and warnings we offer leading up to that point, then that is their decision, and there should be no surprise when another ban occurs. We don't *have* to offer advice on how to find the rules if you weren't aware of them, or where to find guidelines, but <b>we do</b> - in essence we are trying to <B>help</b> everyone follow the rules and stay a part of the community, in the event they do make a mistake, contrary to everyone thinking we are a bunch of trigger-happy mods that just look for people to ban... :rolleyes:
The reason for the correct forums?
1) <B>Reduce clutter:</b> The GD is a very active forum, and as such, threads can often be pushed off the first page in a day, so we need to minimize the amount of threads allowed, hence if there is a better suited forum, threads should be directed there.
2) <B>Organization:</b> For people who like to research previous posts, they go to the forum that would have those type of animals and look, it isn't efficient to be having to search through half the forums on the site because the type of posts you are looking for are scattered about.
3) <B>Specificity:</b> Some people only visit certain forums, the animals they are most interested or experienced with. As a result, you are likely to get the best answers going to the forums that relate directly to your question.
Originally posted by SaIiLdVaEnR
Is there a time interval between these strikes?
Also, as Matt said, we have not yet encountered such a situation, since this 'new tolerance' has been implemented. We do however, keep records of all violations, complete with dates, even after the person has been banned, for reference purposes. We have only recently implemented this new tolerance within the past few months, so we haven't encountered long-term issues. We realize that everything was a bit disorganized, grey, and a little lax... however when we straightened everything up, we plastered the rules in *every* forum, and made announcements to let everyone know that these changes were indeed taking place, so there wouldn't be any surprises. We made everything as widespread and known as to our abilities.
daver676
10-18-04, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by Matt_K
If you continue to make new names, we'll just ban your IP..
I don't mean to jump in the middle of this. You mods gotta do what you gotta do.......
As for the banning of an IP, wouldn't the user need a static IP with his ISP to even do this? Since 95% of internet users connect using dynamic IPs, how is banning a single IP to keep one person out even possible? PM me if necessary.
Corey Woods
10-19-04, 05:59 AM
Daver676 - They can't ban dynamic IP's. If you are using a service such as AOL (which gives you a differnt IP address each time you sign on) you can theoretically sign up with a new name everytime you sigh on and they can't do anything about it. If you were on a fixed IP address (such as Rogers) you'd be screwed.
Corey
Derrick
10-19-04, 07:50 AM
hehe Corey. But they can ranges...Ido it all the time. Mind you on a board like one might be worried about the people that cant get in rather than the ones that can:)
But then you have to deal with proxies so you pretty much are really SOL for any really effective banning if the person is determined to come back.
Originally posted by Derrick
But then you have to deal with proxies so you pretty much are really SOL for any really effective banning if the person is determined to come back.
If worst came to worst, their provider can be contacted and their service would be dropped. Harassment is against the TOS of all providers...
As Matt said, coming back and making a bunch of new names solves nothing. It certainly does nothing to help anyone's case either, in the event they are serious about coming back as a productive member of this community. It only does more damage...
Derrick
10-19-04, 09:16 AM
Ya I wasnt really looking at it from the harassment perspective. I was kinda more thinking that if someone were to "sneak" back they would keep thier head down and thier mouth shut and just try to become a regular member.
I highly doubt someones ISP would drop them because they post on a message board and irritate people........ Harrassment is usually classified as real harrassment (like threatening messages, or hacking etc) Not posting on a board.. No offence but thats your problem, not the ISP... Now if one came here spamming threats and racial slurs, something may be done, but I still wouldn't count on it.
Tim_Cranwill
10-19-04, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by V.hb
I highly doubt someones ISP would drop them because they post on a message board and irritate people........ Harrassment is usually classified as real harrassment (like threatening messages, or hacking etc) Not posting on a board.. No offence but thats your problem, not the ISP... Now if one came here spamming threats and racial slurs, something may be done, but I still wouldn't count on it.
Who knows? Maybe the ISP would blow it WAY out of proportion too... ;)
ha, remember people PAY for isps :P I do see your sarcasm though..
remember, money has more value than principle or ethics!
I work for a service provider who has the basic monopoly on many services out here and I can tell you right now your service would not be dropped for this. In fact we would be very upset to even be bothered with this. Its your forum you deal withit!
Nothing that hasn't been said already, I agreed namely with Tim Cranwell, Chong, and Soda. But I just want to say I remember seeing posts by SCReptiles, as he stated he's been banned many a time, and having a good rich respect for the guy's open mind and capabilities of debate, but how he's just hushed up so often that I haven't seen ANY of his posts for months and months, in fact I forgot all about him until reading this thread. Having learned about communism and fascism in school last year, I can see some parallels right here on the forum.
It's too bad, but I mean most people who are in a situation of power generally get carried away, and it's the people in little places, like forum mods, who are the most unreasonable at times. I know I've had a few threads moved and posts deleted, I guess I'm at two strikes now, but no one told me I had any strikes. I've had PMs saying my post was deleted and stuff, but no posts saying I had a warning, and if meaningless things like Kevin McRae being permanently banned for posting in the wrong forum is an offence, then I'm sure that I have two strikes at least.
I don't know if it's just me, and not to personally attack or name names, but can anyone else see the air of cockyness and dominance in the mods posts? Or is that just me...
Kevin McRae is a familiar name on the site too, I saw a lot of his posts and he's a really great guy so it seems. Kind of dumb in my opinion what is going on here.
Bad play.
-Brock
Brock, I don't think it's a cocky attitude.. I think it's just getting tired of being so repetative.. Honestly, if you guys were to see just how many posts we move everyday, you'd shake your head.. I personally move on average, 15 posts everyday.. Whether it be someone posting a wanted ad in the Boa forum, a cornsnake question in the General Discussion or a Ball Python Question in the Classifieds (yes, it happens). If it takes for us to start warning people and unltimatly banning them for not following the rules of the site to get them to listen, them maybe it's not so bad..
I will however admit that banning someone for posting in the wrong forum 3 times might be a little over the edge. At least when it comes to productive members who are active on the site in a good way.. Perhaps it's time that the MOD's do take a look at the rules and maybe try and tweak them a bit.
-Matt
chong_python
10-19-04, 02:27 PM
Yes, matt but you have to see it in another way out side of that
your are one mod, but these are people 15 out of the amount of posters we have her is not bad. Keeping in mind that people do make mistakes, and once you get involved in this community you get acustomed to the rules. But first time posters arent going to be aware ( or care for that matter ) where they are going to post. You devolop respect for this site. I would guess and say well over 70 % of the posts you move daily is from new mebembers that have nothing on thier mind besides selling something or have a quick question, and then leave and dont come back.
And with such a big place this is and the huge amount of members and new members joining i dont think you will ever fully solve this problem. Moving posts and other tasks as such is a part of the criteria of your job, And if your getting as tired as you claim mabey its time for a break?
Just my 2 cents
proud2bcanadian
10-19-04, 02:36 PM
We're doing stuff like this is Civics right now :p ...
Civil Disobedience, standing up for what laws/rules you think are unjust!
No one is perfect, so no one will ever not make a mistake or do something wrong.
I have to agree with Corey Woods; I see 'both sides of the coin'. We're privaledged to have such an amazing website, but to stay on it you have to be *good*, however there are some rule(s) that some people may find unfair, so they take their action to try and get the rule(s) changed.
One thing to think about - Majority Rules vs. Minority Rights
LOL, I never knew that I would actually remember anything from Civics :p
EDIT - I know this isn't political, but just use your 'imagination', lol...
Getting tired of being repetative, not of the site.. I have been part of this site for a long time, even before I registered. Only Linds and Shane have been MOD's longer then myself, and I have no intentions of giving up on the SITE now..
Believe it or not, and im serious when I say this.. Of the possible 15 posts i'll move in a day, HALF of them are from members who have been here for over 6 months and have some who have been here for over a year..
However, I will also say that you're likely correct in that the majority of people who post in the wrong forum are here for a quick answer and once they get it, don't come back or don't post again.. But these are the people who will get one warning and not get warned again... I can completely understand making a mistake and posting something in the wrong forum.. I can even understand doing it twice... I can't however, understand doing it a third, fourth and in one case, ten plus times..
None of this does justify getting banned though, I agree with you on this.. And I have also brought it up with the others moderators and we're discussing revising the rules and showing a little more leinency in that aspect..
-Matt
*Edit*
As far as Kevin goes. I have spoken with him via PM and we have made an arrangement that will hopefully see him come back with his orginal user name.. I have never seen him post anything questionable on the site and have always thought he was a productive member who seemed to enjoy being here..
chong_python
10-19-04, 02:45 PM
Thank-you Matt,
thats all i was looking for
DragnDrop
10-19-04, 04:51 PM
Why is it so hard to accept that this site has rules which members are expected to adhere to?
I've been online for 9 years and have visited hundreds of forums. Each one of them has rules. Some are so strict it's almost pathetic. As an example, Kingsnake dot com has a policy that's worse than almost any I've seen, You can't cross post there, can't even breathe a word about having something to sell unless it's in the not-at-all-free classifieds. They ban people for having different opinions than the mods. Other forums are so full of flames and profanity that your head spins when you've read a few threads. None of that happens here.... so why is this site so bad for trying to keep it civilized and organized?
Some of you are students - what would happen if you kept your chemistry notes in with your math or your History teacher suddenly decided to teach art instead? You'd be lost, wasting time and just give up. If you're working you have to do your job at your desk or work station, you can't suddenly decide to do it in the VP's office. It's not because the VP doesn't like you working at his desk, drinking the coffee his secretary brought for him. The rules say you work 'over there'. Sweet and simple. Your hometown has rules. Your province or state has rules. Life if full of rules, and we have to live with and by them.
If you buy a new game, do you read the rules first and play by them, or do you just randomly throw the dice and move your game pieces as you see fit? Your friends will point out the rules if you try to cheat, but eventually if you don't smarten up, they won't play the game with you anymore. Why is it so hard to apply that to the fourm and accept that there are rules here too?
In case it wasn't common knowledge before this thread, most people know by now that being banned isn't final. Many members have come back. They're contributing as if nothing happened, and won't be hassled unless they break the rules again. Being banned isn't guaranteed permanent, it's more like a time-out. If you don't want to miss out on the fun here, then play nice.
I've had no qualms about recommending this site to young herpers because I know there's nothing going on here that their parents don't want them to see or read. I can recommend this site to anyone to find info - I know a search of the proper forum will return hits since everything is in it's place here. If things were scattered all over the site willy-nilly, nobody would find anything without a lot of time and luck. The reason it works is because the rules were enforced. Simple, isn't it?
It all boils down to the same thing no matter which forum you frequent, where you live or what you do in life .... If you don't like the consequences, don't break the rules. If you don't like the rules, find a different playground.
Siretsap
10-19-04, 05:39 PM
With 6 pages, I think the mods could see there needs to be some changes in the way they put the warnings and bans.
So what if you move 15 posts a day, YOU are the mods, it comes with the title. There are no easy jobs. All you need to do is use logic when you ban someone. Banning this guy wasn't thought out at all. Banning people who bash on others or simply spam all over the place is fine by me.
If you are not ready to put the time, effort and think out your actions before you do them, then maybe you should have someone else do it for you.
I do not want to seem like I am criticising the mods, because in fact, I do find that they did do their work in the past months and changed quite a few things. I really do not see as much bashing and I also noticed the spammers with their turtles for sale and all, but they were gone a half hour later.
And it is also your responsibility as a member to read your pm's when you get them and know why you got a warning and if you still don't understand it, then ask the mods what they warned you for.
Brent Strande
10-19-04, 06:02 PM
It looks as if everything that could've been said has been.
Hilde, GREAT POST!!! Very eloquent and effective!
Kevin, I think that you're a great guy, and agree that you most likely shouldn't be banned permanently, but perhaps a temporary ban is in order as the rules were broken. Nobody can argue with that.
Good luck with whatever you and Matt K worked out, it'd be great to see you back posting (just be sure to make sure where exactly you're posting! LOL)
To everyone who's complaining, realize that with over 6,000 members, it IS a daunting task to look at every incident case by case. Perhaps it wasn't the best move to ban Kevin McRae, but how do you determine which usernames should and shouldn't be banned without SET RULES?
I like that the mods may be looking into this, as I feel that posting in the wrong forum is very different from spamming each and every forum. Perhaps the rules could even stay, but there could be a policy or procedure in order for someone to dispute their ban... for example, they could explain their actions and explain why they should remain a part of this community and how they could be an effective and useful contributor.
Originally posted by Siretsap
So what if you move 15 posts a day, YOU are the mods, it comes with the title. There are no easy jobs. All you need to do is use logic when you ban someone. Banning this guy wasn't thought out at all. Banning people who bash on others or simply spam all over the place is fine by me.
So with the rules CLEARLY stated, there's no reason they should be broken.. There is also no reason that we should have to hold the hand of members and CONSTANTLY point them in the right direction..
As I stated, im not complaining that I move that many posts in a day.. You'd also be hard pressed to find a member that I have warned for posting in the wrong forum..
By logic, do you mean we shouldn't follow the rules that all the mods agree'd to?? The Ban was infact thought out, we ALL agree'd that people would be banned after they recieve their third strike.. Kevin got his three strikes, he got two prior warnings and decided to ignore them, he's admitted to that, we have also admitted that maybe the reason he was banned for is a little harsh, so why beat a dead horse??
This whole thread is becoming extremely repetative..
Siretsap
10-19-04, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Matt_K
So with the rules CLEARLY stated, there's no reason they should be broken.. There is also no reason that we should have to hold the hand of members and CONSTANTLY point them in the right direction..
No threads of mature content.
No profanity or racism allowed in threads.
No political or religious discussion.
No personal messages. ie. 'so and so, empty your PM box.'
No cross-posting (posting threads in two or more forums).
No advertising of animals or objects for sale/trade.
No advertising of other forums (spam).
No abusive/threatening/disrespectful language towards to moderators (we are just doing our job), or other members.
No "naming names". This is not the C/BOI, please refrain from mentioning individuals or business names in negative light.
These are the rules in the elaphe guttata guttata.
Can you tell me where you see in those rules that it mentions you cannot talk about a dog in here? I know we have to use our common sense, but you said they were CLEARLY stated. But nevermind this, I can totally agree that it gets annoying to see posts of dogs or cats in other forums and vice versa. What I think we are trying to say is that the ban wasn't appropriate for the situation.
Originally posted by Matt_K
By logic, do you mean we shouldn't follow the rules that all the mods agree'd to?? The Ban was infact thought out, we ALL agree'd that people would be banned after they recieve their third strike.. Kevin got his three strikes, he got two prior warnings and decided to ignore them, he's admitted to that, we have also admitted that maybe the reason he was banned for is a little harsh, so why beat a dead horse??
When you say thought out, do you mean all you mods talked together and decided to ban this guy? or simply a few months ago established the 3 strike thing and decided to apply it to the letter? Cause if you all talked together and decided to ban him for asking for a dog on the general forum, then I do think it wasn't thought out accordingly. I never said you shouln't follow the rules that all the mods agreed to, but bend them a little ;-) He admitted to knowing of one strike. but not of the 2 others and why he was banned. I think there would have been some other members banned before this one.
Also, when a mod gives a strike, does he check with the other mods to see if it is a valuable strike or not? If not, then there must be some criterias that make someone elligible for a strike, it would be good to know those.
But all in all, I think you guys did a good thing by letting him come back shows we are only human afterall and I am pretty sure he will not post in the wrong forum anymore.
Actually.. THIS is what is sent to people when they post in the wrong forum and we move their thread..
Not sure where exactly to post your thread? Here's a more detailed description of the forums to help you find out where it fits
General Discussion Forum
This is reserved for threads that do not fit into any of the designated forums.
Front Page Polls Forum
This is where you can post a poll if you want it to appear on the sSnakeSs.com homepage.
Feeder Forum
This is reserved for threads pertaining to the feeder (crickets, roaches, rats, mice, rabbits, fish, etc), such as raising them, etc., not to the animal that is eating them.
Enclosure Creation Forums
General Enclosure: This is for posts related to constructing enclosures. Naturalistic Vivaria (Plant) Forum: This is for threads pertaining to creating or maintaining a naturalistic setup and the plants/soils in them. Enclosure/Reptile Room Showcase: This is where you can show off your enclosures or reptile room!
Classified Forums
These are self-explanatory. Lizards for sale, go in the For Sale: Lizard Forum, wanted ads go in the Wanted Forums, etc. Snake ads do not go in Lizard Forums, etc. Please refer to the rules for these forums. The "Other" Forum is designated for supplies, exotics, amphibians, invertabrates, etc. NO domestics or other non-herp related items please. Classified ads go in the Classified Forums, not species-specific forums, General Forums, etc.
General Species Forums
These include the General Python Forum, the General Boa Forum, General Colubrid Forum, General Venomous Forum, General Lizard Forum, General Amphibian Forum, General Invertabrates Forum, General Fish, General Turtle/Tortoise, and General Crocodilian Forum. These forums are for threads that are of mixed content (more than one species of specified family), for threads that are general in nature - pertaining to more than one species of said family, for threads pertaining to animals that do not already have designated forums.
Species-Specific Forums
These include, but are not limited to, such forums as the Boa Constrictor Forum, Morelia Spilota Forum, Giant Python Forum, Elaphe Guttata Guttata Forum, etc etc. These are for threads pertaining to said species, these threads do not go in the General (Family) Forums, or the General Discussion Forum.
That was taken from
HERE (http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8565)
Also, we have a guidline's that we follow when it comes to warning members and when it comes to banning them... So yes, it was thought out..
As for the ban not being appropriate.. I think I have agree'd with that 5 times now.. :confused:
And here is a copy of the General Discussion rules... Posted at the top of this forum.. In plain, clear view for all to see..
Ignorance is no excuse! Failure to make an effort to understand and adhere to the rules will result in a ban. A maximum of 3 strikes will be tolerated (3 for minor offenses, as little as 1 for more severe).
No threads of mature content.
No profanity or racism allowed in threads.
No political or religious discussion.
No personal messages. ie. 'so and so, empty your PM box.'
No cross-posting (posting threads in two or more forums).
No advertising of animals or objects for sale/trade.
No advertising of other forums (spam).
No abusive/threatening/disrespectful language towards to moderators (we are just doing our job), or other members.
No "naming names". This is not the C/BOI, please refrain from mentioning individuals or business names in negative light.
The above rules also apply to the other forums on this site. The below applies to this forum, or any other general forum if there is a corresponding forum for the species/subspecies in question.
No species-specific threads in this forum (if there is another suitable forum on this site for your thread, use it!). If you are not sure where to put it, check out this thread.
Much like the one you posted, but notice the last point...
-Matt
Siretsap
10-19-04, 07:24 PM
Ok, but on the elaphe one it isn't there. I was just checking the posts and took it off there, tought they would all be the same rules.
by the way, what is your avatar? was that the school show in the 80's with travolta?
LOL, yeah, Welcome Back Kotter!!!!! Vinnie Barbarino for Prez!!! ;)
Jeff_Favelle
10-19-04, 07:39 PM
Horshack was the best. Followed by "Boom Boom". ....... heh heh.......... "Hi there".
;)
Dear Mr. Kotter,
blah blah blah blah..
Signed,
Epsteins Mother
Best show ever!!! It comes on the WB every Saturday night..
Jeff_Favelle
10-19-04, 07:53 PM
Ha ha he was a Portorican-Jew! (sp?) LOL!
Washington was pretty Jive too!! Gotta love the sweat hogs!
daver676
10-19-04, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Corey Woods
Daver676 - They can't ban dynamic IP's. If you are using a service such as AOL (which gives you a differnt IP address each time you sign on) you can theoretically sign up with a new name everytime you sigh on and they can't do anything about it. If you were on a fixed IP address (such as Rogers) you'd be screwed.
Corey
Actually it's not just AOL. Sympatico, TekSavvy, OntarioDSL. They all use dynamic IPs, unless you request otherwise. No sure about Rogers. I've never used cable.
As per dropping the service of someone harassing on a board, it would take a lot of harrassing. Most ISPs have an e-mail for abuse and such though, and the matter would probably be investigated, and the user may be warned.
The most common warning I send out are copyright infringment notices from movie studios, record labels, and video game companies. 3 times and your gone. Stop using bit-torrent for crying out loud! LOL!
Jeff_Favelle
10-20-04, 01:58 AM
Washington WAS "boom boom"!
Artemis
10-21-04, 05:33 AM
after reading all that, i have to say, jeff, that was a great post to end with.
Stop harassing the mods people. Sheesh. Read the bloody rules it will take 5 minutes. If we paid for memebership, yeah we'd have a right to have a big cow. But since the bulk of us dont, then we should try to be mindful of the rules that are in place.
To quote a bad movie:
Hooosahh
djc3674
10-21-04, 07:28 AM
Well...let me just say that I don't think that warning and strikes should be handed out just because someone makes a few mistakes. If the mod's feel that someone is blatantly showing no regards for the rules and maliciously posting objectionable content, then yeah, so be it.....ban away.
However, is the person directly aware that they have a strike against them? I think that if there are going to be warnings and strikes given out, we as memebers should be able to see that in our profile....ya know just as a reminder. If the mods are keeping track of the offenses, the member in question has the right to know where they stand (weather this is a free site or not)...just my opinion.
Originally posted by Artemis
To quote a bad movie:
Hooosahh
Bad Boys II was NOT a bad movie :D
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