Albino Monocle Cobra ques.

[lostwithin]

Hi everyone, again I have come across with the idea of wanting an Albino Monocle Cobra. as I have been looking into them I have found a question for any experienced keepers out there. I have noticed what seems like allot of variation in the albino animals, they seem too vary from Pinks, and oranges, too pure white. Now is it different colored animals or are they born with oranges/pinks and mature too a pure white? Also I have heard tale of Leucistic, does anybody know what they look like I’m assuming white animals with black eyes, and what the price range on one is???

Thanks for any info you can give me,
Devon

[Invictus]

Do you seriously think that owning a ball python, 2 boas, and 2 burms makes you anywhere CLOSE to being qualified to safely own a cobra? Dude, if you want to commit suicide, there are better ways to do it.

[bighillreptiles]

and no one else get hurt in the process , but if he feel that he can who are we to say no to him it's his life ,

[BoidKeeper]

Devon,

I have to say that you and I are not going to see eye to eye on this topic. The last thing I, and other NB herpers want you or anyone else in NB to do is bring a hot into the province. I'm pretty sure it's illegal but I'm going to find out for sure. On Monday I’ll be calling Fredericton City hall, the NB dept. of natural resources and Bernie Gallant of the Magnetic Hill Zoo in Moncton to find out if in fact it is illegal. If something happens to you or someone else, than you'll ruin it for the rest of us.
I don't know how experienced you are or how long you've been keeping herps, however as far as I’m concerned your level of experience will not change my mind about you or anyone else in NB wanting a hot.
There are no hospitals in NB that carry cobra anti-venom so it will be up to you to find it and pay for it. It’s bad enough people are keeping giants in NB. The last thing I want to see are hots. NB is small and the population is not tolerant of herps. If ever there were an accident we would lose everything for sure.
There are a thousand other animals you can keep with out putting all other NB herpers at risk.
Trevor

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

That's what I like to see, people helping each other out..

Leucistic animals are more often than not white with blue/black/grey eyes. Young albinos, like Burms present the orange, pink and yellow colors. Most adult albinos are generally white with pink/red eyes. So as far as Im aware of getting either color while young will generally turn out looking the same as another albino.
Zane

[BoidKeeper]

That's what I like to see, people helping each other out..
By that I'm sure you mean that you are happy seeing me trying to help out the rest of the province of NB herpers buy trying to convince someone not to get something that could put all of us in jeopardy right?
Trevor

[Vanan]

Yeesh! *shakes head* If you got a beef with him getting it, why not just pm him or email. His question was relating to the colours not if he should get it or not. Waste of space posting on here. I'm not at all against your comments Trevor/Ken as I also questioned the idea of him getting a cobra too. Just that it might make for a nicer environment if people just gave answers which are necessary. Kudos to Zane.
Edit: Just to make it clear again, I DO understand your concerns as it's totally legit. Having one person screw it up for the rest is not fun. :p

[bistrobob85]

I think it would be better to make sure everything is legal before you consider buying hots... If you're truly ready for hots and it's legal for you to own one, maybe you should also consider starting with something less spectacular and/or dangerous than the monocle cobra. I think that would be the only reasonnable way to get into hots, first start with something easy before to take on the big hard ones... Trevor is right that herpers doing irresponsible choices REALLY DO GIVE OTHER HERPERS A BAD REPUTATION. That can harm the hole hobby... The key is to be reasonnable and responsible.

phil.

[lostwithin]

Hi, well I must first thank you all for the help. I’d like too clearify you all on a few things first, I didn’t say I was getting a cobra, I said I was thinking about the species I would love to own one, but don’t think I will be jumping into something like that any time soon. The question asked was about the coloration of the albinos.
I Have too say I am VERY VERY disappointed and a bit ticked at how you people responded too a simple question. It was very childish, it was a simple question.

Now one at a time,


Zane, thank you for the response, glad too see somebody out there a bit more grown up then the rest.

Invictus, You know NOTHING about me personally, and in no way are qualified bye reading what I own to tell me how experienced I am. Or weather or not I would be capable of caring safely for a cobra. I already stated the question was on the coloration of the albinos, not about me owning one. But you have no right too attack me, even if I were planning too purchase one. Question me maybe, but childish remarks about me being suicidal is ridicules, grow up a bit “dude”.

Trevor, Your are being ridicules, You first of all can calm down, I am not bringing any Hots into the province. If you are wondering Cobras provincially are no more illegal then any single reptile you or I own right now. They all technically need permits, which I don’t believe anybody in the province has because I tried acquiring one years ago and everywhere I looked said it not worth getting one. I believe not to long ago you were against the idea of me getting a permit for the reptiles I own because some things are better left alone, no need bringing attention to the fact that none of our pets are legal. The city of Fredericton If you are within its limits, has the same rules applied to all reptile species, no specifics for venomous snakes, I checked all these things years ago just because I am a curious person. As for you not agreeing with the keeping of hots you have a right to your own opinions, I personally would love to own but don’t because I am very aware that the hospitals do not carry anti venom, I have stated before in other threads that I would want to own a personal supply of anti venom if I were to own a hot species. So there is no needs for you to go calling everyone you can to and end up causing problems, because I am openly stating I am not looking for a cobra, I just find the species fascinating.

As for experience I have no experience handling hots, I have tried but cannot find anyone to learn from, this is why I do not own species, I have done tons of research, and study on venomous animals, and each species particular venoms, I have about 8 years of experience with serious reptile keeping and a few years before that with the odd gecko. No one out there has any right to judge me I believe I am completely capable and responsible enough to own hot species but do not simply because I would like too get hands on with an experienced keeper before I would do so. So please save the nonsence and suicide comments.

And as a side note, give me a bit of credit, if in the future I were to get some hands on experience and finally own hots of my own, I would NOT post it up for the world too see, there are to many people who are ignorant of reptiles online for me to put that sort of information out there for the world. I know better then too draw attention too myself like that.

Now if anybody has some useful information too share with me about different coloring of albino cobras please do. I still would love too know

Devon

[lostwithin]

Vanan, Thank you for sticking up for me a little bit here, I just want too know about the different coloration.
Devon

[BoidKeeper]

Well Devon if I appeared to jump the gun a bit it's only because the idea of someone bringing a hot into the province makes me all tight in the chest.lol None of my coments were meant to be personal attacks at all so I hope I didn't offend to you too much. You do sound like you've done your homework.
So like I said it's nothing personal I just don't want to see hots in NB.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Mustangrde1]

Trevor I am curious Why you would not want hots brought in to NB. or having a responcible owner of them thier?

[asegmentedmind]

Well, from what I have learned here are the most differences:

Albino - Pure white, Red eyes.

Im not sure of the coloration morphing with growing older, But I do now 66% het luestics can become too look like full bred luestics. Sorry, I noticed this isnt much info but i hope it will help some.

[Mustangrde1]

Ok I have an albino that is pumpkin orange in body and a Very red head. She is over a year and a half old and is getting more orange with age. My younger 4 month old is pumpkin orange and im hoping he stays that color.

I have seen Albinos from cream white to a lavender tint. Variations are typical. I know Tanith has a Male i really want to breed my female too as its colors combined with my gals might produce some very sexy babies.

[moperri]

Lostwithin you are right the color of a cobra seems to differ from a general standard like other snakes. I have seen albinos from the same clutch change to very pinkish red and some staying a vewitish color. I have also noticed some change happening over time by the time they r 2 years of age they appear to have their color till death. I am not sure as to why this happens or if u can predict color on them but in my experience completely white parents do make reddish offspring so when buying one good luck or buy an older specimen....the value in Canada is about $200.
Hope this helps

[beagle]

Why would someone tell another person that they don't think that they are quilified to keep a hot or that they don't want them brought into the province. That's pretty ignorant I think, especially when he was just asking a question non related. I know I would think twice about asking anything if I got responses like that.
Boid Keeper, why would you not want any hots in the province? Just cause it might not be your cup of tea doesn't mean that others would not enjoy them. I myself already know of hots in NB. I am also sure that there are more people who have the mindset and capabilities of keeping them there. TMO.

[Vanan]

I think Trevor's worries are about a careless hot keeper making a mistake and the media chewing every herper in the area out. It has happened before. A rational worry no doubt. I would too.

Devon, dunno if I would consider it sticking up for you, but I would just have liked your question to be answered and not open up a whole different can of beans. Had enough of people's questions not being answered and being slammed for something they didn't even say there were gonna do. Best to see threads proceeding relevantly. Or maybe that's a mod's job. ;) :D

[BoidKeeper]

What Vanan said.
New Brunswick has 750, 000 people with only three main cities the largest being about 80-90 thousand. The population is mostly rural and redneck. There is very little herp exposure in NB and as a result we have a very uneducated population about their size or danger. The last time there was a snake incident in NB in it happened in Fredericton. Someone moved out of the house and left a baby carpet python behind. Well when the story hit the front page of the paper they gave the impression it was a retic that was left behind. No one ever said anything about the poor dog that tied to a tree in the back yard for two days though.
Then we had a sub adult Colombian stolen from a tattoo shop in the Mirimichi. The first thing we heard in the media was that he wasn't supposed to have it anyway. A few years before that one of Saint Johns finest keepers called a fellow Saint John keeper and said "The province is going to take my kids away if I don't get rid of my burm so if you don't come pick it up I'm taking it up to the highway and letting it go." It took months to place that burm.
If a hot comes to NB and the keeper loses it the media will have a field day. If the keeper gets tagged the media will have a field day. If they can no longer keep it and no one else will take it the only place it is going to end up is in freezer because the zoos aren't equipped for it.
Bottom line is I don't care if the keeper is ready for a hot it's my opinion that the province isn't.
Trevor

[lostwithin]

Trevor, I did take it as a somewhat personal attack, but I read your immediately after the others so my judgment might have been a bit tainted.

But you seemed to be trying to scare me away from the idea I already know that you could provide me with a line to NB's reptile laws at a drop of a hat. Because we have both been involved in previous discussions before this about them. And I checked all reptile related by-laws before moving into this city last year I would hope any herper would do the same. So when you come out saying your going too call everyone you can the next morning I got a bit offended. I did chuckle though because I doubt you would have gotten through to a government office on a Sunday.
I understand fully your concern for hots but I do not understand why if it is fully legal and the person doing the keeping is responsible and qualified. Personally I wish the laws in NB were stricter. I think they should start making people get permits for any of the large, venomous or dangerous animals If i were going to commit time and money into keeping hots I would have no problem getting proper licenses for it. But as of now, no such system exists here.

Everyone else thanks for the help. I would like too expanding on my question. Is the different coloring in albinos because of separate albino genes?? Or is it simply dependent of each individual’s pigmentation

[BoidKeeper]

On Monday I’ll be calling Fredericton City hall
Go back and check, I never said Sunday.
But you seemed to be trying to scare me away from the idea I already know that you could provide me with a line to NB's reptile laws at a drop of a hat.
Scaring you was not my intention, educating you was. Although it seems that you are very aware of our laws. I was not going to assume anything about what you already knew or didn't know. In this case it appears you may be more up to date on what's current than I am. I said I was going to look, you said you already did.
And I checked all reptile related by-laws before moving into this city last year I would hope any herper would do the same.
I only know of one person who has. That's not to say more haven't but I'm only aware of one.
Personally I wish the laws in NB were stricter.
As do I.
I think they should start making people get permits for any of the large, venomous or dangerous animals If i were going to commit time and money into keeping hots I would have no problem getting proper licenses for it.
I have always said this. In fact if this were the case I would openly support the idea of poeple working with and keeping hots in NB.
But as of now, no such system exists here.
And because it will take time and money the province doesn't have I doubt will ever see such a system in place. Too bad to because it would protect all of us. The seriouse keepers who care would do things right and if something happened they would be protected some what because they were doing things by the book. Also if someone had something they needed a permit for it could be taken away until they get the permit or charged criminally if there was an accident and they were found to not have the proper paper work. If such a system were in place it would keep a lot of animals out of the wrong hands.
So when I keep saying that NB is not ready for hots it's because such a system is not in place.
Cheers,
Trevor

[lostwithin]

On Monday I’ll be calling Fredericton City hall
I have to apologize, I misread that part when I read it for some reason I read " in the morning...”, it was my mistake.

Also you haven’t read NB's bylaws ?? I can remember when a guy in Moncton was stirring stuff up in a post a while ago I though you had mentioned knowing them. I may be mistaken, In which case I am sorry. But I thought you had already read them.

Devon

[BoidKeeper]

Also you haven’t read NB's bylaws
Yes I have and I remember that thread. I just haven't looked at them since then.
What do you think it would take to establish some sort of permit system in NB for hots?
Cheers,
Trevor

[Mustangrde1]

Trevor If you serious about establishing laws. Mind you im not certain on Canadas law making process. But if you wanted to Use Floridas permitting and regulation system as a presidance to bring to your law makers. It is a well established system that works and is proven to work. Law makers love to have presidance and examples to go on.

Under Fl's system it keeps for the most part idiots out of hots and dangerous animals and with the trainning requirement preet much garantees anyone keeping an animal that falls within the permit requirement Knows what they are getting in to.

[Mustangrde1]

Oh ya forgot to add. Trevor anything on my website if you wish to use it you have my full permission if it helps you. Site hasnt had much done on it lately do to the fact just after We got it up we had the hurricanes but it will grow soon after i get my house taken care of.

WWW.IVRKS.ORG whatever is on there you can use go for it and hope it can help you.

[BoidKeeper]

Thanks Scott, you're always a great resource of info on these things.
Law makers love to have presidance and examples to go on.
You said it. Why re-invent the wheel.
Cheers,
Trevor

[lostwithin]

I was just reading that thread again, (I though I should check incase i owed you an apology)

I honestly don't know the exact way of doing it, persistence is what is needed to change things. That list hasn't changed since it was drawn out as far as I know.
I think it would be good if we could get a few people who were serious about the subject and start contacting the government offices specifically the Dep. of natural resources. It would have to be decided what animals should be separated into groups. And how too separate them. Then it would have to be decided what should have to be proven for people to acquire the different permits. Once all the ideas have been straightened up and worked over and when we think something solid has been drawn up to make it into an official proposal and present it to the Dep. of natural resources. It would help if we could get a few people who are already taken seriously and already dealing with the dep. of Natural resources on our side in advance. As well as presenting references too other systems but those are needed for the final draft of a proposal. Which wouldn’t be hard once a proper list and permit system has been though out. There are all sorts of tricks to working with the government.
Devon

[Mustangrde1]

Devon. Like I said use FL as refferance IT WORKS. IT IS PROVEN, IT IS TESTED, like Trevor said why fix the wheel. Just ask the same system be used there. All it would take is getting people together to make it a law.

The great thing about it is it protects your rights the animals safety and health and the general public at large. very hard to argue those points as being bad.

[lostwithin]

Hi your posts were put up while I was typing mine out. I read the Fl information right away, Thank you for the help.

Trevor, Now we have too get some people together some time and discuss this.

Devon

[Mustangrde1]

Trevor if you Make a Thread about How to make or try and help make this type of law and Pin it at the top i bet you will get alot of help, Many great keepers are here and I know would be willing to help and then it will not detract from other threads.

I also will be silling to Link the thread from TRR AND IVRKS to point many more people here to help.

[cobraman]

Under Fl's system it keeps for the most part idiots out of hots and dangerous animals


I don't know about that.....

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[cobraman]

Need I say More???