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satfreebie
10-07-04, 09:14 PM
Just picked up the first ball python tonight, and I am not sure what he is? Would anyone be able to help, I was told he was an Xanthic Ball python but I don't think so. any help would be appreciated. Thanks
satfreebie
10-07-04, 09:21 PM
Not sure why pics never came out, not sure how to add more then one pic can some help?
Bartman
10-07-04, 09:24 PM
Is this your first snake? If your not sure what is it, id bet its a normal. But pics would help.
satfreebie
10-07-04, 09:26 PM
I don't know how to add pics, do you?
Tim_Cranwill
10-07-04, 09:28 PM
If you paid less than $200, it's a normal.
satfreebie
10-07-04, 09:30 PM
Lets try $500.00 and he said it should have been $1200.00 but it was a trade-in so he only charged me what he paid. Any ideas how to post pics?
Tim_Cranwill
10-07-04, 09:34 PM
Go to the picture gallery, upload the pic to your space here (you get 1meg), then copy the url of the picture into the IMG field. That shoudl do it.

Who did you get the ball from? I don't know ANY knowledgable breeders that would sell an axanthic for $500. But if you got one, nice snag! :)
Tim_Cranwill
10-07-04, 09:39 PM
These articles should help you... :)

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11224

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8512
mykee
10-07-04, 10:01 PM
Xanthic (T+ Albino, Caramel Albino) or axanthic? Big difference, about $15000...
Either way though, if you paid $500, you probably have a REALLY expensive normal. Sorry.
satfreebie
10-07-04, 10:08 PM
For some reason my pic will not upload, says file is to big, any advice?
satfreebie
10-07-04, 10:13 PM
Hope this works1.Pic of Ball python (http://www.reptiforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1168&password=&sort=1&cat=1)

2.Pic of Ball python (http://www.reptiforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1169)
Artemis
10-07-04, 10:22 PM
uh oh... im no expert but.... boys...?
satfreebie
10-07-04, 10:22 PM
These are some other Ball Pythons I have picked up, maybe you can help me find out what they are also?Nice 800Gram Girl (http://www.reptiforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1170) Nice 500Gram Boy (http://www.reptiforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1171)
Joe
10-07-04, 10:23 PM
nice looking normal... maybe it's het who knows... but I think you got ripped budd.... nice looking snake though!
reptile boi
10-07-04, 10:24 PM
looks like a very expensive normal to me.



Thanks,
Ben
satfreebie
10-07-04, 10:27 PM
I was thinking maybe it was a calico ball python, because the white patches/scales are only present in the gold portion of the pattern, not the black or dark brown portion
CamHanna
10-07-04, 10:30 PM
That's way better lookin' than my normals but I don't believe that it is xanthic.

Here is a T+ albino (xanthic) picture linked from NERD's website.
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gallery_pics/ball_pics/albino_caramel/May15Caramel15_1.jpg
satfreebie
10-07-04, 10:34 PM
He also has a redish belly, I am knew to Ball Pythons, I have no idea :-( So I gues I have 3 normals?
Tim_Cranwill
10-07-04, 10:41 PM
Sorry man... 3 normals. :)

But that 800g female is NICE! :)

I would call that guy you got the "xanthic" off of and ask for $350 back. Seriosly.
satfreebie
10-07-04, 10:45 PM
Never mind $350.00 back, I want $500.00
Phrasty
10-07-04, 10:47 PM
Man that sux, nice norms all the same that 800g girl is sweet, agree with Tim, go get some dough back ...good luck ;)

Phrasty
HeatherRose
10-07-04, 10:52 PM
You could always post about your experience on the Canadian Board of Inquiry, here:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=614

It's a place to discuss both good and bad transactions in the reptile hobby.

Good luck :(
Matt_K
10-07-04, 10:55 PM
That 800 Gram female looks awefully familiar.. Who did you pick her up from???

Correct me if im wrong, but this is the same snake right?? ;)

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/473jan25reduced-med.jpg
satfreebie
10-07-04, 10:57 PM
I picked her and the male up from port credit about 8 months back another $500.00 I spent on the pair. Good deal?
Matt_K
10-07-04, 10:59 PM
Yeah, that reduced female came from me. :D That doesn't make her worth anymore or less, I hope.. As far as the price, snakes are worth what you're willing to pay for them in my mind..
Matt_K
10-07-04, 11:02 PM
I just checked out the pic of the male.. That was also one of my snakes.. :D
satfreebie
10-07-04, 11:03 PM
Ha that's funny, so she is a normal with a reduced pattern. Is she worth breeding to anything special?
CamHanna
10-07-04, 11:03 PM
I'd pay $500 for that pair... if I had $500.
Matt_K
10-07-04, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by CamHanna
I'd pay $500 for that pair... if I had $500.

Where were all you guys when I had them posted on here a while back??? LOL
satfreebie
10-07-04, 11:09 PM
I was hoping for some good news from you, Matt, maybe that they were Het something! LOL Anyways I really like both the male and female, they were my first ball pythons and have been a pleasure.
CamHanna
10-07-04, 11:13 PM
How is a reduced pattern produced? Is it line bred or a reproducable mutation? Pretty cool either way.
Matt_K
10-07-04, 11:14 PM
LOL, they're het for amazing!! Feel better?? They're both beautiful normals either way you look at it.. That female is outstanding and never missed a meal while in my care.. It was hard to part with her but I had no choice at the time. Im glad they both ended up with someone who's taking good care of them though.. Keep us updated on that female, i'd love to see how she matures.. :D
hooter
10-07-04, 11:14 PM
I'm suprised no one mentioned the possibility that it could have been Het for Xanthic thus the normal apearance and lower price.
satfreebie
10-07-04, 11:19 PM
I have just never seen a ball python with so much yellow/brown missing in the pattern I thought for sure it was something? I asked if he meant het for xanthic but he said no it was 100% zanthic and if I bread him to an albino I should get some snows, but I don't think so anymore.
satfreebie
10-07-04, 11:22 PM
Maybe this is a better pic, don't mind the small cage, it is only temp, I didn't want to introduce him to the other balls just yet.New Pic (http://www.reptiforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1172)
Tim_Cranwill
10-07-04, 11:22 PM
Well, even IF the snake IS "xanthic" (which is the wrong term... should be <b>A</b>xanthic), and you bred it to an albino, you would not get snows. You would get double hets that look normal.

You should call this guy and try to clear some of this up with him. If he DID scam you, post about it on the BOI that was linked earlier.
satfreebie
10-07-04, 11:24 PM
I am going to talk to him first and see what he is going to do before I post anything just yet, got to give him a chance.
munchy
10-07-04, 11:25 PM
the first one is most likely normal unless you can prove it out. it definitely has some really cool stuff going on with the pattern though and would be worth breeding out. that 800 gram reduced pattern female IMO shouldnt be refered to as normal beacause that is a ridiculously nice animal:D, and the last one also appears to be normal but yeah its entirely possible that theyre het for axanthic. good luck with them and DAMN that female is sweet!!! if i had her id try to find a really nice reduced pattern/banded male to breed her with and see what happens.

just my .02:)
VI Reptiles
10-08-04, 08:40 AM
I agree with munchy! Shes a awesome snake and I would breed her with a banded!
nita
10-08-04, 11:26 AM
Your 800g female would be a nice match for osiris, my male!! LOL, his pic is my avatar and they would produce some beautiful babies. Too bad we are so far away. She is beautiful!! Where was i when you were selling her Matt!! I would have snatched her up!
justinO
10-08-04, 11:55 AM
From the pic shown, you got ripped off..... I dispise people selling normals as a morph, and axanthics seem to be the biggest one to do it with.

Please update us as to if the guy is going to give you most of your money back or explain himself!

Jessy
mykee
10-09-04, 12:18 PM
Not an xanthic, or an axanthic. Nice normals nonetheless. Good luck with them.
satfreebie
10-09-04, 04:04 PM
Just got back form the reptile store and got a full refund, man is the internet a strong tool. Thanks for all your help, everyone.
Tim_Cranwill
10-09-04, 04:20 PM
I'm very happy for you! :) Take that $500 and invest it in an honest breeder's stock and you'll be VERY happy with what you get. :)
munchy
10-09-04, 04:46 PM
you still have that nice female????
Corey Woods
10-09-04, 09:42 PM
Here is what a caramel (Xanthic or T+) albino looks like. This is my female.

<img src="http://coreywoods.com/Caramel/Caramel9534.jpg">

Corey
PS - Nice looking normal.....I think you got screwed.
satfreebie
10-10-04, 10:02 AM
Yes, she isn't going anywhere just yet :-) Thats a nice ball corey! Man it does look like the one I had, LOL
honduranfreekk
03-22-05, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by satfreebie
Just got back form the reptile store and got a full refund

What reptile store did you get the one that was sold to you as axanthic and gave e refund??Thats one reptile store I would avoid dealing with again.

Good to hear they gave you your monney back tho.


Kelvin@Brigitte
paulsreef
03-22-05, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by satfreebie
Maybe this is a better pic, don't mind the small cage, it is only temp, I didn't want to introduce him to the other balls just yet.New Pic (http://www.reptiforum.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1172)

What do you mean by "introduce him to the other balls". Are you keeping them housed together in the same enclosure?