Eastern Newts in Canada

[Pedro]

Does anyone know where I can purchase Eastern Newts or other types of newts in Canada?

[the_frog_man]

where are you?




thanx froggy

[Pedro]

I am in Toronto.

[the_frog_man]

i am to hens the "biggest toad in the GTA" and the location do u want me to order them or not?





thanx froggy

[Double J]

frog man.....

I am sure you are aware that eastern newts (Notophthalmus viridescens) are a *native* species. For those who are unaware, it is illegal to keep or to sell native species here in Canada. So frog man, my question is to you, where on earth in Canada do you plan to order these from? Any dealer who sells any native herpetofauna is subject to steep fines. There was a pet store selling bullfrog tadpoles near Stratford Ontario who was fined an amount of six figures (over a hundred thousand dollars) because he was dealing native species for the pet trade. They certainly made an example out of him.
So, frog man, please refrain from posting things to the effect of "I can order this for you " or "does anyone want to buy this from me" or "can I please buy this from you." If you would like to make posts like this, please confine them to personal messages or the *classified* forum.
Thank you.


Now for Pedro........
I am sure that you understand that eastern newts are out of the question to purchase... though you could collect them yourself...
But, since you are in the GTA, there are a number of shops and stores where you can purchase newts for a reasonable price. The common newts include firebelly newts, paddle tail or hong kong newts, spanish ribbed newts and perhaps some of the european stuff like Triturus. If you would like some good solid information on keeping newts, I recommend the book "Newts and Salamanders" by Frank Indiviglio. It is the best book on the market for those getting into keeping caudates. This book can be found at any petstore for around 10 dollars. If you would like a solid website, check out www.caudata.org
If you are surfing the net, beware of brutal and incorrect care sheets.. there are many of them out there. Stick to www.caudata.org and Frank Indiviglios book and you will have all the info you should require.
And don't forget, there are a few simple rules when keeping newts...
1) don't heat the water. Most newts require cool temps and stress above 80 degrees.
2) keep the water very clean!
3) NEVER house newts with ANY other species or death WILL occur. Never listen to what the people at the pet store tell you: A newts should NEVER be in the same tank a a fire belly toad, a water dragon, or an anole. They WILL die within a month or two guaranteed. Keep one species in a tank and your newts should stay healthy with proper husbandry
4) Research research research. The more you research, the better chance of success you will have.

Good luck, and feel free to ask anymore questions Pedro.

Double J

[the_frog_man]

where the **** did he come from?




thanx froggy

[Double J]

I just came back from the jon.

[danh]

Unfortunately, Double J, your post is yet another example of Internet misinformation. You can legally buy and sell eastern newts (Notophthalmus viridicens) in Ontario. They are not a protected species. The only other native salamander in the same situation is the mudpuppy. With all other salamanders you are correct, there is no legal trade in them without permits.

Dan

[the_frog_man]

ohh shut down
ohh ya and the marbled sal. is native and we sell em i cought one




thanx froggy

[Double J]

Actually, in my case, it is not "internet misinformation" as I derived that portion of my response from the "ROM field guide to Amphibians and Reptiles of Ontario" by Ross D. MacCulloch (copyright 2002) which states:

"In Ontario, amphibians and reptiles, like other wildlife, are under the jurisdiction of the ministry of Natural Resources. With certain exceptions, it is unlawful to keep in captivity, displace, or otherwise disturb any amphibian or reptile. Exceptions may be made for educational purposes, allowing some species to be kept in captivity. The American bullfrog and the snapping turtle may be hunted, and these two species fall under the angling regulations of the Ministry of Natural Resources"

res ipsa loquitur?
But again, danh could be right, but that which is written in the field guide seems fairly concrete to me.

As for the Anuran child, the fact that remains is that posts from this individual are rarely of any value in this forum, and many clearly break the rules with regards to buying and selling inquiries, and should be confined to classifieds or personal messages. Feel free to contribute some useful information once in a while. For the most part, the posts are rather annoying at this point.

Regardless of who is correct, thanks for the input danh. I think I should have had some sort of citation in my original post.

Double J

[Double J]

Oh, danh, you are correct.

According to the Canadian Amphibian and Reptile Conservation Network website they (eastern newts) are legal. They have posted a copy of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, here is the blurb:

"PART IV
SALE, PURCHASE AND TRANSPORT

Buying or selling wildlife
48(1) A person shall not buy or sell a game wildlife or specially protected wildlife, … except under the authority of a licence and in accordance with the regulations
Note: All reptiles and amphibians which are not specially protected or game species may be bought or sold without a licence.

Sale of animals represented as wildlife
49 A person shall not sell any animal…that the person represents as a species of game wildlife or specially protected wildlife unless the person is authorized to sell that species of wildlife."

Here is the link:

http://www.carcnet.ca/english/legal/legalON.html

Well, that is actually quite exciting. I have always liked Notophthalmus viridescens, and now I have an excuse to have a few.

Thanks for the clarification danh.

[Removed_2815]

Originally posted by the_frog_man
ohh ya and the marbled sal. is native and we sell em i cought one
Ambystoma opacum is not native to Ontario. This (http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/narcam/idguide/range5.gif) is their range.
Salamanders native to Ontario include:
Mudpuppy
Yellow-spotted Salamander
Jefferson Salamander
Blue-spotted Salamander
Eastern Redback Salamander
Four-toed Salamander
Northern two-lined Salamander
Small mouthed Salamander
Tiger Salamander
Dusky Salamander
Spring Salamander
Eastern Newt / Red spotted Newt

Regards,
R

[danh]

Ryan, that's the most optimistic native Ontario salamander list I've seen! LOL

...And I should apologize to Double J. I was harsh and it was unnecessary. Kudos to you for being so mature.

Dan

[Removed_2815]

Originally posted by danh
Ryan, that's the most optimistic native Ontario salamander list I've seen!
Yes, well, I'm an optimist. Of course, the Tiger Salamander is listed as extirpated under both SARA and COSEWIC but, since you can't prove a negative, there's still a glimmer of hope of one day flipping a rock to find a young Timber rattlesnake eating a Tiger Salamander - LOL! I'm just kidding...
The list I made included historical records that's all and was merely to point out the lack of Ambystoma opacum.
Best regards,
Ryan
P.S. The Small-mouthed Salamander is listed as endangered both under SARA and COSEWIC. The Jefferson Salamander is listed as Threatened both under SARA and COSEWIC. The Spring Salamander is listed as Special Concern both under SARA and COSEWIC. But things change often and I am mainly involved with snakes and turtles in Ontario...

[the_frog_man]

srry for the mix up i cought a blue spot but ive bought a grey and there native (no i dont still have it)