veiled together?

[snk]

Has any one try to house 2 or more veiled in a same cage?(like a 55 gallon)

[HeatherRose]

Housing two chameleons together is generally not a good idea. They stress out when you look at them funny. They should generally be kept solo, even if it is a big enclosure.

What sex are we talking about?

[snk]

male and female together

[CanadianJackson]

No way, especially in a 55 gallon. One needs more space than that.

[Collide]

veilds are very aggressive. there are some species that would do better under those conditions but generally it just causes major stress for the chams.

[dank7oo]

Lalala - I know of a very knowledgable person whose practice I question who housed many female adult veilds together in a 55 (prolly). I personally think is person is nuts to do so, but they arent mine to take care of. I would say no .. definitly no.

Jason

[Brock]

I've seen it done successfully. Three adults, 1.2, in a 4Lx2wx5h screen enclosure. The keeper informed me that he keeps them all fat and happy as they are more agressive when hungry, and that he picked them out of about 400 babies when he got them (from a wholesaler) all being kept in a huge cage, and he monitors their breeding and feeding and said that if anything starts going wrong, he'd move them out. They were adults with no marks on them or anything, a bit stressed out by the orange shirt I was wearing, but other than that they had adequate hiding places and lighting, two basking spots.

What I got out of it was that you have to have lots of experience to know what to watch for (he had about 15 different species of chameleons, including Ch. t. quadricornus and B. perarmata, both rare and specialty chameleons. And to raise them together and to keep them very well fed.

He also stated that they were like people or dogs, and continued to try to pull one of his veileds out in a different cage that was very agressive, and then pulled out this other veiled (the leucistic one I mentioned in some other posts, anyone ever find any of them?) and it was the tamest chameleon I have still seen.



-Brock

[dank7oo]

Heather got her name changed - LOL Too much PuNka PORN sTaR? LOL

Jason

[CarlC]

I have also seen it done succesfully with veilds but not in anything the size of a 55 gallon. I guess it really depends on what you would call success. When you say 55 gallon size are you talking about something that fish live in?

Many species of Chameleon living in groups. When I say groups I mean in huge bush's or large topped tree's. The females are usually the dominant animals in group living species. In a large tree they can easily get away from a male. In a cage set-up they have little room to escape. This is alot easier to do with seasonal breeders. You really need some experience to be able to recognize even the slightest signs of stress.

You can expect a shorter lifespan from your female. She will always be gravid whether she has a choice or not.

Of the 25 or so species I have worked with the following lived together (male and female) somewhat peacefully;
Ch. (T) w. weidersheimi, Ch. (T) w. perretii, Ch (T) q. quadricornis, Ch (T) j. jacksonii, Ch (T) j. xantholophus, Ch (T) ellioti,
Ch (T) bitaeniatus, Ch (T) rudis sternfeldi, Ch (T) hoehnelli, Brookesia perarmata, B. decaryi, B. ambreensis, B. theili, Rhampholian brevicaudatus, R. nchisiensis, and
R. uluguruensis. Almost all of the above species are seasonal breeders in nature.

Carl

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by dank7oo
Heather got her name changed - LOL Too much PuNka PORN sTaR? LOL

Jason

How old are you again?? 12?? Grow up man..

[dank7oo]

Uhhh ... not far off pal. And besides ... I had seen her reffered to that many times in the past on this site "man".

Jason

[Matt_K]

Oh, so your joke isn't even original... :rolleyes:

[meow_mix450]

Ive have seen it done with 2 females and 1 female and 1 male, but they will keep on mating and mating, this will cause stress on both chameleons. Never 2 males together. But you shouldnt put them together at all. It increases the stress of both chameleons

Meow

[Collide]

I think the thing to stess here the thing that bothers me the most is that IMHO only very experienced people can handle keeping like this.I hate telling people it can be done (no offence to most here) because some people dont know wtf they are doing and it scares me. On top of this some chams just dont have the temperment for this at all i know if one of my males would have been keep with my female in one of my pretty big cages she woulda riped his head off or vice versa, but at the same time i have heard of nice dosile chams. But bah donno just ramballing

I reciently lost my 4 year old female mrs moo, and a babie Elliot's. Seems like my chams are all getting up ther in age asside from some new additons as well my werner might not last if her back keeps gettin worse i might have to put her down, As rewarding as chams are u loose alot its sad, and im soo scared when people ask this type of Q because of the possibility of it being a very negative thing.

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