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Scales Zoo
09-22-04, 12:51 AM
Wanted to make a post about the fall count before I leave for a few days.

The weather we had on Saturday could not have been better. In the morning, when we checked out the first spot on our count, it was quite cool, and we only saw about 30 snakes. We did not check out the second spot, and opted to head back to Leader for Dinner a bit early.

After Dinner, the 3rd spot, which was now the second spot - was nice and warm. Many adult rattlensnakes were found, and at least 150 babies rattlesnakes. 70 were counted from 2 holes each, there were likely over 200 babies seen, but it is hard to count so high. Also saw a few bullsnakes.

We had a bit of time before supper, and I remembered a spot fairly close to Leader, which we had found in the winter, but had forgot to check in the spring. I'm we made the hike, the wandering garters (adults and babies) and bullsnakes (large adult males and yearlings mostly) were litteraly all over the place. Over 30 bullsnakes and 30 garters were found, 15 adult rattlers and 20 or so babies were also counted.

The weather on Sunday was cold, yet again - and just a handfull of snakes were found. This was not a big deal, as over 300 snakes (45 Bullsnakes, 35 wandering garters, 70 adult rattle snake and 150 baby rattlers) were counted on Saturday. This was the most snakes I've ever seen in 1 day, and all the baby rattlesnakes were a very encouraging. There was very likely over 400 different snakes actually seen, but only 300 verified and counted for technically.

There were also many baby wandering gartersnakes, the smallest babies of any snake I think I've ever seen. The baby rattlesnakes were all less than a week old. We found a few that had shed (which they normally do at day 5), but most had not shed yet. Some, still had wet looking patches on them, and I beleive they were born on Saturday. We also found a number of slugs and stillborns, till then, I'd only ever found 1. The bullsnakes go to a different area to lay there eggs, and the group did not go to any of these areas, so no baby bullsnakes were found. Sometimes a few babies make the trek and hit the dens by late fall, but they usually stay close to their egg laying dens.

O.k, now for a few pictures


I didn't want to fill my memory card too early on, and ended up not taking many pictures. I guess I was waiting for something really special to photograph. Here is an average rattler in the grass.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count1.jpg



Here is a not so average snake in the grass. We've seen this snake at the dens in the spring and fall, since 2002. It is the second patternless crotalus viridis ever documented. I think this is the first time we've found it at a rattlesnake count, but Walter, Byron and other friends of ours have seen it in past years with us. A few young ones have supposedly been found that look like this one, which we beleive to be female. It will be cool one day when many of the rattlesnakes look like this one, it is truely an awesome snake - and I think it is used to having it's picture taken, it poses and just sits and watches everyone, even after we are done taking pictures.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count2.jpg




Here is a picture of a some babies with a mom near the rookery, most of the babies in this one have already gone into their hole. I'm planning to sneak up on them by myself in the near future, and get some good tripod pictures of groups of 70 and more!

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count3.jpg




Imagine there being 4 times as many babies in this picture.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count4.jpg



A daring close up of some babies with mom. Note the ones that have shed already - they are much more pretty.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count5.jpg


Jonothan Wright brought an amazing slideshow on his research of bullsnakes, the differences the looks of certain locals, and the communal nesting habbits of female bullsnakes in Drumheller. For those who don't know Jonothan, let me just say, that each time he comes to Leader he amazes me with his rustic, masculine, but eccentric demenor. Last time it was the old cowboy hat, station wagon and dogs, this time he brought the bike, the goggles, the leggings, the helmut - and slept outside on the grass, like a real man from the old western movies. He researches wolverines in the winter, and lives off the land trapping and hunting.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count6.jpg


He came to see us in Red Deer on Saturday. Sunday Afternoon, Sheila asked me if I had seen Jonothan again, and what he was wearing. I instantly knew she meant the guy I had only seen from the back, turning heads as he walked. He looked just like that creapy thing on "jeepers creepers" - with his oil slick, backpack and long gate walk. Here is a picture of him wearing the same thing, but holding the blackhead at the zoo.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count7.jpg


We saw a lot of Agriope spiders. I've seen much bigger ones than what we found this weekend, but I've never seen as many of these things, in so many shades of color. This one, looks like it has spelled something in it's web, I named it Charlette.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count9.jpg


Here is a group shot in front of the zoo.
Left to right we have, Brent Johnson, Lisa and Brent Dawson, Jordan M, Tim B., Steve Chandler (kneeling), Colin, Gary D. (kneeling), Jonothan, 3 of Brents Kids, Chris and Carla, Jay, another of Brents Kids and Sheila and I.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/fallcount/count8.jpg



We did not encounter any other kinds of garters, any hognose or any scorpions. We did, however, find quite a few blackwidows and Agriopes. This was the best count so far, and probably the last of the formal open rattlesnake counts.

Steve Chandler also showed a very large slideshow, of his last 10 years of herping in the U.S, Costa Rica and Thailand. Steve's slides are always a favorite at the counts.

Special thanks to my mom for preparing all of the wonderfly delicious meals provided to everyone. She stayed home from the dens this year to serve all of the food and take care of things behind the scenes.

There were a lot of pictures taken this weekend, many from better cameras than I had - I hope a few people post their pictures on this thread.

Ryan

ChunkyMunky
09-22-04, 01:50 AM
300+ in one day, that is record book stuff lol! Very nice pictures, that spider looks wicked! Thanks for sharing, Later.

Dan.

joeysgreen
09-22-04, 04:04 AM
Awesome, awesome pic's, thanks for sharing

Jeff_Favelle
09-22-04, 04:09 AM
Awesome pictures!! :jawdrop:

Tim_Cranwill
09-22-04, 08:21 AM
Great pics! Looks like TONS of fun, guys! :D

Simon
09-22-04, 08:34 AM
Awesome pictures and wow.....300+ counts in a day is awesome~

Those photos of the rattlers were just awesome!

nburgmei
09-22-04, 10:11 AM
300 snakes is amazing. Plus the spiders, I'm a spider lover.

I truly am jealous. I spent days on end looking for rattlesnakes this summer and couldn't find any. I'm from southern Indiana. Apparently the rattlesnakes weren't nearly as abundant as in years past, so says the state herpetologist.

Toirtis
09-22-04, 10:32 AM
Very nice shots. Gary was telling me on the phone yesterday that you guys were pretty much tripping over snakes every step you took.

ChurleR
09-22-04, 10:53 AM
That's freaking awesome. The high count of babies is good, even though alot won't survive until next year, the ones that do will be well on their way to becoming the next big adult.

blackmatch
09-24-04, 07:13 PM
here's some more pics. such a great weekend ill be coming out again this saturday.http://members.shaw.ca/blackmatch1/IMGP0235.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/blackmatch1/IMGP0265.jpg
and also a picture from the spring snake count. hehe
http://members.shaw.ca/blackmatch1/DSC00865.jpg

Scales Zoo
09-26-04, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Toirtis
Very nice shots. Gary was telling me on the phone yesterday that you guys were pretty much tripping over snakes every step you took.

Yes, that is one way to put it.

We were walking to the 3rd place we checked out, the place I had found in the winter. I wasn't sure if it was just over this hill, or if it was over the far hill. I spotted a line of sage brush, about 50 meters ahead, and said with releif "yes, I think this is it".

At that instant, Gary goes "whoo, look there" and we saw a 5' bullsnake just cruising along the hill.

Now, before I go on, I must say that we stressed to the kids to stay behind adults with hooks. The competant adult part was just implied.

So, anyways, Gary's kid, Brent, is behind us like he is supposed to be, as we foolishly go running to catch this big bullsnake. On our second step, both Gary and I jumped out of the way, as he very nearly missed stepping on a coiled rattlesnake - and I nearly followed his footsteps.

We caught the bullsnake, but I think Brent started to question the competant adult part. For the next 60 minutes, we nearly tripped over many snakes, it was thick with all 3 species.

I was kind of nervous with all the excited adults and kids finding all the garters and bulls, with rattlesnakes around. Too many snakes and too many people, but luckily all the snakes behaved and no one had another close call like Gary and I did.

Ryan

Matt_K
09-26-04, 06:56 PM
Awesome pics guys!! Looks like you had an awesome count this year!! Good stuff. :D

BoidKeeper
09-26-04, 07:23 PM
Great post and pics Ryan!
Cheers,
Trevor

crossley
09-26-04, 08:41 PM
Really enjoyed your pictures and account. Its great to see that there's still some places where there are lots of snakes,and the fact that its in Canada is a bonus. Regards Grant

Scales Zoo
09-26-04, 09:03 PM
Even I was suprised to find 300 countable snakes in 1 day. A few people are sure they, themselves saw 400 seperate snakes, and I think we likely actually saw 450 - 500 seperate snakes that day. It was just luck, I've never had a day come close to that day, but the weather is nice once again, and I'm going to try to have another 300 day very soon.

These snakes have surived years of persecution in these areas, now that the persecution is letting up, I think the population is going to increase. The amount of rain we've had this year helped with the rodent numbers, and kept all the snakes really well fed. It also seemed to keep the snakes from travelling as far as they did in the recent past, drier years. Roadkills seem to be down partially due to this, I think, which all adds up to a better future for our scaley friends I hope.

All I know is that I've never seen so many baby rattlesnakes or gartersnakes in years past, and it has to be a good thing. I'm going to check on an area that I know female bullsnakes have communally laid their eggs at in the past - to see how many babies I can find. I suspect they are doing really well also.

Ryan

blackmatch
09-29-04, 09:01 AM
we did come back on saturday and had another excellent day. visited all 4 spots and seen approx 200+ of all 3 regular snakes. Found one really nice bull that measured 67" and was at least a KG. but only 1 baby bull