Could a red phase coastal be a cross with a bredl?

[Dom]

Hey ..

I have been looking at many snakes and am trying to figure this one out.. are the red phase coastal a coss with a centralian?

I know that naturaly occuring red and yellow phase happen with the coastal but the thing to me is the red phase only really started coming out at about the same time as the centralian pythons started coming out ..

Any thoughts on this matter..

I am not accusing anyone who has a red phase coastal to having a cross I am simply wondering where these jems appeared?

Dom

[Beardonicus]

No, the red phase Coastals are not hybrids.

the red phase only really started coming out at about the same time as the centralian pythons started coming out ..

lol....Centralians have been around for a looooooooong time. They didn't just "come out" lol.

[gonesnakee]

I'm sure he was reffering to coming out as being more available/popular to the industry as they have become in the last few years. I too am interested in who started breeding/developing the "red phase" ones myself as well, thus the history behind them (not that I've researched it or anything). Did someone start this line with a WC specimen or did one just "show up" in a clutch one day or is it more of a "locale" thing? Its visually easy to see how someone would ask if it was done by breeding to IJs & then back. Anyone out there have constructive information on this? Inquiring minds want to know LOL THX Mark

[Beardonicus]

Its definitely not an IJ cross either...if so, they wouldn't stay red for very long lol. I think it is a genetic anomaly that just pops up sometimes in random clutches. The clutchmates to my red phase Coastal were all normal, except for her.

[Dom]

I have read up a bit on caostal and it seems that the brisbane locality would be were some of the red and yellow phase coastals.. Now the question is why did the redphase start only coming out recently .. Unless i am mistaken these phases are not that old.. or maybe they are...

Is there any genetic lineage for these animla or any genetic understanding on them?

Curiosity anyone have any pics of what a yellow phase coastal looks like and what a Anxantic coastal looks liek as well

Tx for the replies guys .. I got the curiosity bug this morning

[Beardonicus]

I've never heard of nor seen any yellow phase or Axanthic Coastals.....the only genetic morphs I know of are Jaguars & Tigers.

[MarkAus]

Down here there are albino darwin carpets (variegata), hypo coastals, hypermelanistic carpets and axanthic carpets, although not readily available as yet. I think www.precisionreptiles.com has some axanthic jungles.

[Beardonicus]

Ahh yes, I forgot about the Hypo Coastals.....unfortunately in the US we don't have the range of cool carpet morphs that you lucky Aussies do lol.

[Jungle Jen]

Would my coastal carpet python be considered a high yellow or yellow phase or something to that effect? She is in the picture to the left, used as my avatar. In any case, I love her to bits!

[Beardonicus]

She looks like a very nice normal Coastal to me Jen. :)

[Jungle Jen]

Thanks Beardonicus, now at least I know what she is color wise. LOL. She sure is a wonderful snake!

[spiderman]

ive seen some striped morphs of bredls for sale recently, are these pure? or possibly a hybrid??

[AnthonyC]

Red phase Coastals are nothing new. They just weren't really all that well known until people started paying a little more attention to Coastals.

They're definitely not the result of breeding a Bredl's to a Coastal...and here's why. Bredl's hatch out more of a grey and tan and then turn red as they get older. Red phase Coastals start off red and then turn more of a rusty brown color as they get older. Basically, they're the exact opposite in terms of the development of red coloration.

The term "red phase" is a pretty generic one and there are a number of different types of Coastals that it can be applied to. Some red phase Coastals are said to be of Brisbane locale, whereas others are said to be genetically inheritable in an incomplete dominant fashion...a hypo of sorts. Then again, there are others that just pop up randomly in otherwise normal clutches of Coastals.

Here are a few of the different "reds" that I have...

These two babies were brick reds upon hatching, but changed very quickly. These two popped up in a clutch of predominantly black and tan/grey baby Coastals. One, which you can see, also has a strange yellow color where the tan/grey color would normally be.

http://www.acreptiles.com/Carpets/Misc_Carpets/blondie_n_sib/blondieWithSib_081604.jpg


This big adult female, which was red as a baby, is reputed to be of Brisbane origin...she looks burnt orange from some angles and blue/grey from other angles. She's a very unique critter in person.

http://www.acreptiles.com/Carpets/Reds/female_blue-red_Aug04-6.jpg


This one comes from a line that's supposedly inheritable in more of a predictable "genetic" fashion.

http://www.acreptiles.com/Carpets/Reds/web_sheila_0804-6.jpg


This one, produced by Will Leary's red female "Madam Blueberry", was also red as a baby. The part of the pattern that was red is very reduced, so it's a bit harder to tell on this one.

http://www.acreptiles.com/Carpets/Reds/MBB_baby/MBB_03Female_Aug04-2.jpg

[AnthonyC]

The axanthic Carpet Pythons that originated in Europe are Coastals, not Jungles. I handled one in person a while back and this was very obvious, merely by looking at the head structure.

[JDouglas]

Wow Anthony those are great! If I can't afford a Jag next year I will definitely pick up a red coastal if you have any for sale!