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Scales Zoo
09-07-04, 09:28 PM
Our first clutch of Taiwans, hatched Oct 27, 2002, at day 60.

This year I was a bit concerned, as the egg shells seemed really thick, tough, and like hard leather. We weren't sure if we should intervene or not. We decided to let mother nature take it's course. Yesterday, Day 64 - the eggs started to pip.

Right now, 7 babies are out - 6 more eggs pipped, and there are 5 good looking eggs yet unpipped. We had 20 eggs all together, one of which looked like a slug the day it was laid. There is another egg that looks about the same right now, but we incubated both just to be on the safe side. The 2002 clutch had 13 eggs (which were elongated as compared to this years).


They started to hatch out of the conjoined cluster in the center first .

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/beauties/t1.jpg



None of the outer eggs have pipped yet. I am hypothosizing (first usage of word since high school science fair, haha) that because reptile eggs create heat, the ones in the center cluster tend to hatch first because of the higher temperatures those eggs maintain at various points of incubation.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/beauties/t2.jpg



I finally found the courser vermiculite, but I think I didn't wet it sufficiently first time using it. I ended up adding water to it, 2 weeks into incubation when the eggs started getting tough and showing signs of dimpling.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/beauties/t3.jpg



Got some pictures of the first ones out. These ones resemble the mother, high silver sides. We have a few that I think will look more like the male, with the heavy orangy yellow look. Funny thing is, they don't poke their head out of the egg for a cute picture. They sit hiding in the egg, I can go out of the room and check on them in 15 minutes, and there are 2 more snakes fully out of the egg. When they want to move, they move fast!

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/beauties/t4.jpg

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/beauties/t5.jpg



Very big babies! I was getting used to the burm and northern pinesnake babies - but just got to see what normal baby snakes look like at the Red Deer show. These guys are longer than the pinesnakes, maybe as long as the burms were.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/beauties/t6.jpg



They aren't bity this year. The first year we had them, My mother put the baby snakes into little rubbermades. They are very fast and flighty snakes as babies as it is, but the ones mom had to contain were also very bity. I remember how bity they were the day I sexed them, I'm glad these ones are less bity.

http://www.scaleszoo.com/pics/beauties/t7.jpg


Whoo hoo!

Ryan

AgaR
09-07-04, 09:35 PM
congrats!!!!
they are awesome!
Ciao
Alex

bistrobob85
09-07-04, 09:35 PM
Wow, wonderful baby snakes! They look sooooo cute!!! Are they hard to keep? Do they need very low temps like mandarin ratsnakes? My compliments on those awesome babies...

phil.

Jeff_Favelle
09-07-04, 09:45 PM
Very cool!!!!

Scales Zoo
09-07-04, 10:01 PM
Thanks guys.

I covered all the holes in the rubbermade when I added the water. Next colubrid clutch is going to get some egg grate (or whatever it is called) over overly moist verm, with no holes in the container.

Also, cooked these at 82.5 - 83.0, and all 7 babies that are out are perfect so far. Last time we got 1 kinked baby out of the 13 babies from 13 eggs. I did not write down what I incubated that clutch at - but I imagine it was 82-84.

Ryan

Scales Zoo
09-07-04, 10:06 PM
Oh, Phil....

These are not hard to keep at all. They have very good appetites, and our adults are a joy to handle.

Both adults are near 8' long, and very thick. We keep them in large terrariums (6' x 3' x 3') heavily branched (they like climbing) with a fluctuating temp gradient of 72 - 85 (now acheived with a heat panel along the rear back corner - as well as a bit of light heat). We don't mist them as often as we should (ambient humidity is very low in Saskatchewan) but they shed, eat, poop just fine.

A real joy to keep, and one of the largest colubrids available. Also one of the prettiest snakes around.

Ryan

Ryan23
09-07-04, 10:33 PM
Congrats Ryan they look amazing..........I may have to pick one up since I'm venturing into the asian colubrids finally with a Blue beauty right away.

You probably remember me staring at them all night in your living room, amazing snakes.

Scales Zoo
09-07-04, 10:36 PM
These definitely compliment blue beauties nicely - we used to have blues, but sold our pair to Byron (who produced 2 clutches this year) and got Taiwans.

Oh, and did I mention that we give deals to those who live in Saskatchewan? And an extra deal for those who share my first name? No, I didn't - haha! Email me!

Ryan

LdyDrgn
09-07-04, 10:38 PM
Congrats Ryan and Sheila!! That's awesome. Beautiful babies, too. Post pics after they shed. :D

Ryan23
09-07-04, 10:51 PM
I knew there were perks involved with living in Sask. other than our beautiful winters of course.

Kury
09-07-04, 11:57 PM
Congratulations! Awesome pictures. They are longer than I expected for hatchlings, well, now I know ^_^

dave68
09-08-04, 12:09 AM
Wow ,very cool Ryan! Do siblings and parents count for the Saskatchewan discount too? My Dad and one of my sisters live in Swift Current LOL!! I'm gonna email you as well!

Dave

Invictus
09-08-04, 06:48 AM
They look phenomenal! This is definitely one of the coolest species to work with.

Matt
09-08-04, 07:55 AM
very nice, congrats!

Simon
09-08-04, 08:31 AM
Congrats~!

Taiwan babies are huge....especially if you put them beside corns...... makes corns look like a little worm......sigh~~

Anyway congrats on the hatchlings! Hope they'll eat on thier own soon~~

Katt
09-08-04, 08:34 AM
They're soooo cute!!!

Do I qualify for a Leader discount?? I'll be right over to pick up mine!

vanderkm
09-08-04, 08:45 AM
Those are gorgeous and HUGE babies!! Congrats on them - great looking snakes,

mary v.

Vanan
09-08-04, 08:49 AM
Congrats guys! Definitely a long awaited hatching! Can't wait to sex them!! :D:D:D

Minnow
09-08-04, 10:26 AM
Having babies is just soooo 'egg'citing!! Taiwan's are such beautiful snakes. Congrats!!

Carol

gonesnakee
09-08-04, 10:31 AM
Cool, good pics, nice babies. Mark

Tim and Julie B
09-08-04, 10:35 AM
Cool I love those snakes. I want to see an eight footer! Congrads.

TheRedDragon
09-08-04, 03:32 PM
Congratulations! Those are some awesome looking Taiwans. Good luck with them all! :)

Scales Zoo
09-08-04, 10:07 PM
Update

This morning, at 7:30 there was 1 baby out. I checked again at 8:00, and there were 6 out, making it 13 in total.

All eggs on the attatched clump had pipped but 1. That 1 looked like it had a little crack in it. I cut it open to find a full term dead baby inside. It did have a tiny pip in the egg, that egg was extra tough and leathery. I should have pipped it yesterday, grrr!!!!

So I pipped the remaining 7 eggs that were yet to pip (there were 21 in total, I had thought so, but then counted 20)

The slug, was a slug like I thought. The one next to it, that I thought was dead, had a squigly worm of a fetal snake inside, and a large yoke - my guess is it developed till 2 weeks. Maybe the dead egg was responsible for the heat that seemed to hatch the inner clutch first.

The other 5 appear to have live babies in them. I was doubtful of # 5 till I looked earlier, and saw it changed positions. It now moves when touched. I did take pictures, and Katt and Vanan were over. 2, maybe 3 of those eggs have blood in the egg, but the babies seem to be alive.

I did snap some pictures of these things, don't have the time right now to upload them.

All 13 that are out seem perfect, and without kinks or deformities. I'm kicking myself for not pipping that one earlier, like I had said I should probably do - but oh well, I'm happy with 13 healthy babies, 17 would be better, 18 would be really nice.

It has been brought to my attention, AGAIN, that the email button off of ssankess does not work. I've looked into it, changed email addresses, sent emails to the admin - but so far nothing is fixed. So, if anyone ever tries sending me emails for any reason, please do so manually and use

scaleszoo@sasktel.net
or
the snakepeople@sasktel.net

Ryan

Katt
09-08-04, 11:22 PM
Yup, we saw the li'l beauties and boy are they big!! Lots of different patterns and a few are quite light in appearance! Absolutely perfect little babies!!!

Janiman
09-14-04, 11:14 AM
WOW, congrats!!! I can't wait to hatch a clutch of my own. If anyone is looking for a big beautiful colubrid with lots of personality, I highly recomend one of these babies!

Ryan; The female I got from you last summer is now over 6.5 feet long and around 2000 grams. She's taking medium rats (200g) every 10 days and she's still almost as calm as a corn. I did a summer camp presentation a few weeks ago and she was held by around 35 children between the ages of 5 and 14 and was VERY well behaved.

Nice work on producing some great snakes!

Thanks again,
Francis

Scales Zoo
09-14-04, 11:37 AM
Thanks Francis, glad to hear yours are doing well.

I see I did not make an update. We ended up with 18 so far seemingly pefect babies. The 5 that were on the outside, hatched 3-4 days later than the inside cluster - and all 5 of those babies are kinda bity, while the first 13 from the inside egg mass (and I'd assume warmer) are not at all bity.

Ryan