Boa vs python

[JimmyDavid]

Another dumb movie is about to be released: Boa vs. Python! I'm sure it will have lots of blood and gutts and little of truth about the snakes in question. I guess it could happen, though, because a friend of mine had a retic and rock python housed together that started to constrict each other (the rock broke the retics spine, for my surprise).

But since they brought it up, let's see some opinions. I say it wouldn't be much of a fight since i don't know any python with the constricting power of a boa of the same weight.
Do you think there's any kind of python with a chance on that(assuming equal weight on the snakes)?

[JonD]

Saw an add the other day for a movie about a killer anaconda...lol they say it's 50 feet long and ways well over 1000 lbs and move at like 25 feet a second... can't remember the numbers exactly...lol looks like a stupid movie

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

wasnt it 140 feet a second? LOL. I think its just more media crap on snakes. Sadly.

C.

[marisa]

It's not "out to get snakes" or the media purposefully making these movies to give snakes a bad rap....now mind you it might turn out that way, but they aren't making the movie FOR that reason....do they make car chase movies to put bad attention on cars? Love stories about broken hearts to show how horrible the opposite sex is? No. It's just an exageration of reality to make an "exciting" movie. I mean really, what kind of movie would "5 foot ball pythons attack!" be? LOL

In either case, BLECH. I wouldn't watch any sort of movie with a "50 foot snake" in it for any reason. lol

Marisa

[Diamondpython]

its just a movie there not out to give bad names to snakes. movies aren't meant to be life like if you want life like go for the doctmentries. movies are made for intrest and people like to watch them you know how boring it would be if they made every movie life like and not have all the excitement of pythons fighting boas or andacondas bigger then what there really meant to be. theres more to a movie then anyone knows. movies are meant to be for fun and people enjoy watching. i think boa vs python will be a good movie to watch so would andaconda 2. movies are make believe there not meant to be real. why do you think there called movies.

[ib_inked]

Is right, Jaws proves this! One of the best movies ever made and totally based on exageration. Though, that movie was so good for it's time, that it DID give sharks a bad rap for the years to come. In 79 (I think) when it was released it dropped the tourist population by a HUGE amount in the costal states in the US (Florida and California). People were truly afraid to go in the water.
I love Horror flicks, even cheezy ones, so I plan on seeing them both.
As for giving snakes a bad rap, give me a break, they make the snakes out to be so fake and so fast that even a child watching would know that they cant move that fast.
The only people who give snakes a bad rap are the people who live in suburban neighborhoods and take their 14 foot whatevers outside for all the neighbors to see. Most suburbanite neighbors dont like to know that you keep that in yer house.

[JimmyDavid]

Hehe, why do you say no man can eat 50 eggs?

[ib_inked]

It's from a movie called 'Cool Hand Luke'. If you haven't seen it you should. AWSOME!

[bistrobob85]

I just saw Boa vs Python at the video store, and nothing seems so ridiculous!!!! A gigantic python is set free in a reserve and then the FBI decides to set another huge snake, a Boa this time, to beat it... WTF is that?!?! Those movies really gives bad information to the public ( which really believes that there are some 50 feet long snakes roaming around somewhere in the world... ) and makes herpers look like freaks!!! We should send a little box with a tic-tac sound to the guy who made the movie!!!

phil.

[Diamondpython]

you all are not very good its a movie not a doctmentrie there not meant to be real. and for the bad information who cares its just a movie no need to get all uped about it movies are for fun not for learning. if you want to lean watch doctmentries movies are done by computer and actors. i think it will be a good movie to watch and i know its not real and i don't plan on it to be either. i loved to see all of you make a movie no one would watch it cause you all are too worked up on making everything look real. which will be boring. there making movies for enjoyment and to make them out rageous and make them bigger then what there really are. if they made movies life like no one would watch them i know i wouldn't.

[duroo]

so back to the topic, which would win, a boa or a python?

[Darren179]

um depends on to many factors to just say who would win plus the question is to open. If a retic was crusing by and ran over a kenyan sand boa you could say a boa would win but if an adult ETB was to attack a baby ball python it would win. Just examples all though these wouldnt happen do to location but I guess possible if somebody was dumb enough to put them together it could..

[Diamondpython]

i would say boa they always have to make it a happy ending so with the python killed and the boa back into its cage or killed as well.

[Mikeymike]

id have to disagree, i really dont think that snakes have a sense of achievement, because if they did have a sense of achievement, then they would be smart enough to have a sense of boredom, a sense of clostorphobia etc.... if its smart enough to feel that it has achieved something other than a meal, its smart enough for many other things.

Mikey

[hooter]

ok

[Jeff_Favelle]

What exactly are you disagreeing with???

[leoncurrie]

not sure I understand the topic here

[LdyDrgn]

This was in response to JimmyDavid's reply in his other thread. He must have hit New Topic instead of Reply to Post.

[leoncurrie]

Originally posted by LdyDrgn
This was in response to JimmyDavid's reply in his other thread. He must have hit New Topic instead of Reply to Post.


Ahhhh ok.:p

[JimmyDavid]

Oops, found this thread randomly, there was no clear subject.

I believe that ALL animals can experience
either achievement or frustration. It's an hormonal thing, it's nature's way to let you know wether you are doing something ok or not. Without those feelings you just wouldn't be in touch with yourself.
What makes everybody happy to win? either it's the olympic marathon or a simple videogame at home...
What makes you so frustated about loosing? Before you even THINK about it, you're already feeling it. So it's nothing but a natural instinct. Why should animals be any diferent?
Now, when it comes to hunters, these feelings are crucial for they're natural selection. It's nature's way to either give a biscuit to a dog for performing the trick good or whipping him for doing it wrong. I'm sure that a lion cub experiences a sense of achievement the first time he hunts successfully. Nature rewards him with it, telling him he did fine. Or he could feel frustration if he couldn't do it. That would be nature telling him he must improve. But if he fealt the same, either winning or loosing, how would he feel advised to improve? I'm sure it all plays an important role in the evolution of species.

[LdyDrgn]

Snakes do not have the higher brain functions required to experience emotion which is what you are describing. Mammals have larger brains and can experience these things to a degree. But reptiles live on instinct, and instinct alone. You are totally anthropomorphizing reptiles.

[JimmyDavid]

Where is the limit between instinct and emotion? Both are very close and both can help you. Also both are nothing but the right protein combination jolting your brain. Nature provides what can help you survive, regardless of what you call it (instinct, emotion, whatever).
In my opinion, The will to improve (hunting, baby sitting, etc) is an important form of species evolution. What makes a crocodile take care of it's young? Could we call that a primitive type of love? Certainly the animal is not aware enough to understand it (unlike us) but as long as he feels it, it completes its purpose.
Perhaps predators feel a need to become better than their rivals for some reason, who knows? In human standards we usually call that greed, showing off, ambition, and a lot of other fancy words assotiated with "dark" emotions. But in the animal world, such feelings could help create a better predator so it would make sense.
That's the way i see it, anyway. I could be wrong, but again, we will never know because animals don't talk.
Would like to know what others think.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Being hard-wired to instinctually react and act on stimuli found in the animal's niche is FAR FAR different than a snake gaining "confidence" with every successive kill, LOL!!

[LdyDrgn]

Instinct and emotion are two completely different things... as is intelligence and emotion. One does not need to be emotional to be intelligent, they do not tie together at all. When a crocodile or alligator cares for its young, it ensures the survival of more babies. It isn't because of love.

[Kimo]

I personally wouldn't mind reading up on some scientific study that proves what everyone is syaing here, has such a study been done? like the scientist that tried to map the intelligence of a cat, and failed, but had succeeded in doing so with dogs, i guess what im saying is, are there any papers saying they did this to various reptiles? or is everyone just giving speculation through observation? and if not, where can i read up on this sort of stuff? would love to know why some snakes will only eat white rats, and othters of the same species will only eat brown...makes you wonder just what is going on inside of their heads don't it? but most of you are saying that "prefrence" is not involved with an animal thats "hard-wired" on instinct...wonder what instinct makes them picky over colour? would be kinda neat to see studies done on this sort of topic.

Josh

[JimmyDavid]

LdyDrgn, you reforced my point. A crocodile doesn't understand love. But what he does ensures the survival of it's species.
Nature doesn't care what you call it, as long as it helps. Animals are provided with feelings they don't understand but will work for them. Is it so far-out to believe that experiencing achievement or frustration can be important to make an animal feel the need to improve at something, thus evolving?

[LdyDrgn]

Kimo... I'm sure studies have been done I just don't know where to look for them, I tried. All I say is from my own personal experience working with many snakes as well the experience of many others. It's easy to see that snakes are not emotional beings. They understand hunger and food, danger and safety. If your snake gets out, it will do its best to leave the premises and be in the wide open. They are not grateful for all you've given it, they do not see you as "home". They will bite you when they want to be left alone regardless of how good you care for them. We have a few snakes that prefer to be with me over someone else but that is because I smell 'safe' and I am 'familiar'. It's cute to say that they may have some emotion there and just really like me best, but to really believe that is just silly.

Jimmy, no, I did not enforce your point. You are still trying to tie the two together.

Survival is an instinct. Achievement and frustration are emotions. Two COMPLETELY different things. If a snake fails at something, like snagging a meal that just walked by, the snake would feel hunger, then sit and wait for the next or move on to another more promising area. If that works and they eat, then they are sated for the moment, not sitting smugly and going "HAH! Got you." It is survival, instinct.... not frustration, an emotion, that leads them to evolve.

[Matt]

i merged the two threads together for you guys, it was getting confusing