Adults in a 22 gallon

[dank7oo]

I am thinking about getting some pygmys or another small chameleon. I have a spare aquarium (which could potentially house the pygmys) and I also have a spare 22 gallon reptarium. The dimensions of the reptarium are 12.5x12.5x24 (24 high) and I was wondering if there was a chameleon that could live its entire life in the 22 gallon? I was thinking carpet chameleon (which get about 7 inches?) but I am not certain. I want him to be healthy and happy in his home. I know bigger is always better, but having that reptarium there is just hurting me.

Let me know.

Jason

[meow_mix450]

I dont think the carpet would be to happy in the 22 gallon but i think pygmys will do fine in there with the right conditions.

Meow

[dank7oo]

I figured as much - LOL Just making sure I don't do anthing crazy stupid.

Jason

[panther_dude]

ya I would have to aggree. CARPET CHAMS !!! let me know if you have a source for these. They have always been on my mind for anouther breeding project.

[dank7oo]

You agree with what? And yes, I have a source at my fingertips.

Jason

[DragnDrop]

Originally posted by dank7oo
I also have a spare 22 gallon reptarium. The dimensions of the reptarium are 12.5x12.5x24 (24 high) and I was wondering if there was a chameleon that could live its entire life in the 22 gallon? I was thinking carpet chameleon (which get about 7 inches?) but I am not certain. I want him to be healthy and happy in his home. I know bigger is always better, but having that reptarium there is just hurting me.

12.5x12.5x24 = 3750 cubic inches, or 16.23377 gallons, not 22 gallons.

The Adcham Furcifer lateralis lateralis Profile (http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/flateralis.html) states
"Caging requirements include a minimum 24"(H)x16"(L)x16"(W)."

This works out to 6144 cu. in. or 26.5974 gallons.
Definitely nixes the Carpet Cham idea. Pygmies need more humidity than you can easily provide in a reptarium, so how about saving it for when you have baby chams?

[dank7oo]

I dont have room for another full size reptarium. And even if I did, I would have a hard time convincing my paretns to allow another panther (which I waaaant) in the house.

I know for a fact the reptarium is 22 gallons, I must have remembered the dimensions incorrectly (because I didn't actually measure it). Anyways, it is not a 26 gallon, so that idea is toast anyways. Maybe I should pick up a larger reptarium (like a 35 or so) and put a carpet in that.

As for the pygmys, if I were to get some (which I also woul really like) I have a large (and spare) aqaurium. Plus I got a free barrer metal aquarium top, heat lamp, UV hood, and UV bulb yesterday, so for any chameleons I am potentially getting, I already have the lights :D

Jason

[meow_mix450]

go for pygmys haha sorry i want some too, carpets are kool to, get a female:p

Meow

[panther_dude]

Is your source for carpets able to ship to canada. And what are the prices like? Do they have a web site?

[Matt.B]

If it was not able to ship to or in canada it wouldnt be his source then would it?
Matt

[norcallizardman]

I just saw pigmy chams for $25 for two of them. Isn't that a pretty good price. Unfortunately I am in CA, USA.

[dank7oo]

Yeah. Up here they run about 50 - 60 a piece.

Jason

[meow_mix450]

25 for 2 thats a normal price down in the states

Meow

[norcallizardman]

Oh. They looked cool though. I almost made an impuse buy! But I care too much about them to make them suffer until I found out the information. So anyway, are they hard to keep?? Do they get bigger than the half inch total length I saw them at?? Are they easy to breed?? Anyone got a good caresheet for them?? What are your experiences with them?? Sorry if I took over your thread! I just got a little carried away.

[meow_mix450]

lol that isnt it a problem, yes it would be hard to care for if you do not have any chameleon experience. As for breeding its not very hard at all(i just think) In total they grow yup to 1-3 inchs. This is just a rough estimate, Trace might tell you more about them

Meow

[dank7oo]

It also depends on the species of pygmy.

Jason

[norcallizardman]

Oh, maybe I will get into chameleons some day in the future.

[Collide]

There is still alot of info that is needed on the pigmys i wouldent recomend these chams to anyone who is not experienced. Just my opinion of corse.

Carpets, although they are small they still need alot of space. and can be quite fussy, but they are quite sexy. Read up on them and be sure that is what u want. they are also a very shy cham.

[meow_mix450]

they can be very sexy when the females are gravid the colours will jsut blow you away!

Meow

[norcallizardman]

Aren't they really expensive though? What do you mean by a lot of room for a cage size? what size?

[Collide]

Ousties get very big they are one of the biggest species, so they require a very large cage I would say a 4x4 x2d minimum IMHO , they are not that expencive most panthers are more expencive then ousties these days, but they are agressive very aggressive.

[meow_mix450]

I agree panthers in the states cost a lot more then here in canada. norcallizardman there is a very very nice breeder in your area that just has the most amazing chameleons, and in the states price are around 400 bucks. Carpents are cheap i find 50 to 100 CDN and pygmys are like 20 bucks each in the states

Meow

[dank7oo]

Not all panthers are that expensive in the states. I saw one breeder advertising Tamataves and Ambanjas for $99.99. The expensive panthers are usually from breeders, who have a good reputation, and feel it is alright to rip people off because of their succuss :D I don't think I would pay 400$ for any panther, except MAYBE an Ambilobe

Jason

[DragnDrop]

Originally posted by dank7oo
The expensive panthers are usually from breeders, who have a good reputation, and feel it is alright to rip people off because of their succuss :D I don't think I would pay 400$ for any panther, except MAYBE an Ambilobe

Jason

High prices from breeders aren't rip-offs. CB animals cost way more to get to marketable size than WC. A good breeder will spare no expense for the good of the cham, which in turn makes it more expensive to buy. If a breeder with a 'good reputation' is ripping people off, wouldn't that make him/her a rip-off artists? A rip-off artist with a good reputation is hard to find.

It's also not uncommon to raise your advertised prices to weed out the riff-raff looking for a cheap disposable pet. Once you find the prospective buyer is serious, a good cham keeper, then lower the price, call it a discount. It's not guaranteed to work, but it does often enough.

You can decide on the maximum you'd pay for any species, but remember, you get what you pay for.

[Collide]

I onestly dont think that the majority of cham breeder dont make alot of money, It is a labor of love for most. sure there can be money but its not too much,

the reasion that the panther locals are soo expencive is to make sure the chams are pure and healthy and u know what u are payign for.

I shudder at the thought of panthers being as cheap as veilds my god the poor animals,

[panther_dude]

Yes dragon its all about marking up the prices to detter people who shouldnt own chameleons and impulse shoppers. I would tottally agree. All my panthers will be advertised at 600 ( cage and all included) but special "deals" will be made with peoplewho know what they are talking about.
Also hook me up with the carpet breeders guys ive been wanting and reading up on them ever since I first laid eyes on a beautiful blue, red, and white female. Man are they hott

oh ya Matt B those are the types of comments that are just not needed. You really looking to set me off again arent you. Well sorry to say its not going to happen this time buddy.
You just keep having an attitude like that its really nice.

[panther_dude]

also not all breeders ship across canada. Maybe his source of carpets is near where he lives.

[Matt.B]

You might want to start out with one type of cham like im assuming you already have then another instead of jumping right into it.
Matt
ps I was not trying to set you off in any way and if you you read my post I never said that his "contact" shipped to canada.

[panther_dude]

ok so what exaclty did you mean when you said:
If it was not able to ship to or in canada it wouldnt be his source then would it?
Matt
Sounds like you were saying something about shipping to me.

And who exaclty are you talking to when you say:
You might want to start out with one type of cham like im assuming you already have then another instead of jumping right into it.

If your assuming I already have then what are you trying to get at?
I have had nosy be panthers for about 8 months now. Before that I babysat lol a pair of fischers for about two months while my buddy was in europe. I know I have enough experience.lol.

But thats tottally besides the point right now I want to get the carpet chameleon hook up. Please help.
oh ya I will be aquiring a pair of ornate box turtles next month also lol. I cannot wait.

[Matt.B]

what im talking about is your looking for leos and chams and now turtles im just sayin take it slow I never said that you dont have the experience I was just saying that you shouldnt get them all at once.
Matt