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73gk
07-28-04, 01:26 AM
Hello all! I am new to this forum, but have been interested in wildlife for some time. I was able to find these snakes and was wondering if anyone would please I.D. them. I found them about 20 miles inland from the S.E. Georgia coast in open areas flanked by heavy woods and rivers. Thanks!


Here are the links to the pictures:

http://img52.exs.cx/img52/9928/snake.jpg

http://img52.exs.cx/img52/3932/snake2.jpg

P.S. Great forum!
CamHanna
07-28-04, 01:53 AM
The reddish one's a garter (Thamnophis sirtalis maybe?). They aren't normally coloured like that and I don't have a field guide on hand so I can't be sure what species. The other is an immature yellow ratsnake (Pantherophis [formerly Elaphe] obsoleta quadra something), again I don't have my field guid so sorry I can't give you the ssp name, hopefully someone more informed will get to this thread soon.
Vanan
07-28-04, 10:42 AM
Looks like Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis and a Pantherophis alleganiensis (formerly known as P. obsoletus quadrivittatus) to me.
snakehunter
07-28-04, 11:57 AM
I would say Thamnophis sirtalis marcianus, red sided garter.
Vanan
07-28-04, 12:24 PM
I would say Thamnophis sirtalis marcianus, red sided garter.

?! Never heard of that one but I've heard of T. marcianus, the checkered garter. :D
CamHanna
07-28-04, 12:51 PM
I tried looking for Pantherophis alleganiensis on google put didn't find it. When was the name changed? What did they do with the everglades ratsnake? Do you have a link?

Thank You
Thorn07
07-28-04, 03:02 PM
did you take them from the wild, do you still have them? WHat do you plan to do with them?
73gk
07-28-04, 03:09 PM
Hey, thanks alot for helping me with this! I have been trying to research and figure this out for some time now!
73gk
07-28-04, 03:15 PM
Yes, I got them from the wild, but released them where I got them once I photographed them.
wiseman001
07-28-04, 05:57 PM
I don't recommend it..... and would rather say.. DON'T DO IT

leave them alone
672
07-28-04, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by wiseman001
I don't recommend it..... and would rather say.. DON'T DO IT

leave them alone

What? He just photographed them and released them back... problem?
concept3
07-28-04, 06:48 PM
yeah i dont see a problem with that at all
Katt
07-28-04, 10:22 PM
Pantherophis alleganiensis. The name was changed just recently. The glades rat is the same thing as the yellow rat, just a colour variant.
CamHanna
07-28-04, 11:30 PM
Is that pronounced al-i-gan-yen-sis?
Vanan
07-29-04, 12:05 AM
Sort of, I guess. I only read it of a Reptiles issue.
Vanan
07-29-04, 12:06 AM
Sort of, I guess. I only read it off a Reptiles issue.
Jungle Jen
07-29-04, 12:09 AM
OK this name changing thing is annoying.