breeders?

[Matt.B]

Does any one know of any good jackson or veiled cham breeder in the calgary area? also does anybody have a good care sheet for either.
Thanks
Matt

[panther_dude]

well good lick buddy. I tried searching for a breeder of jacksons in canada for a year without any luck. I really dont think there are any in canada. If there are they sure arent very open about it. Anouther reason why we need breeders licenced so that everyone knows who they are and where they are.

[dank7oo]

Jacksons in Canada ... sure there are, you just don't know where to look. If you are really interested, go to the reptile shows in the gta. I beleive for the last few shows, Jacksons were available for $250 each (I think).

Jason

[kidchameleon]

$250? geez, i got offered a pair for 75. but that was after i had already gotten mine, so i had to turn it down. i got mine for $60, but then again, i live in the US

[DragnDrop]

There should be some jacksons breeders somewhere in Canada. I know I produced over 100 babies and sold them all. Some should still be around (or their own kids). My adults died a couple of years ago (6+ years old) so I don't have any, but there's got to be some babies around.

[panther_dude]

Yes but some of us dont have the opportunity to visit reptile shows. And if you shipped out 100 and say there must be some breeders. I surely hope that you sold them as pairs being of different bloodlines. Otherwise we have a bunch of inbred jacksons in canada. And that is not good at all.

[DragnDrop]

Tell me.... if I have 20 babies from one clutch... how do I sell them as being 'pairs from different bloodlines'?

[Chris_Anderson]

The Canadian jacksonii more than likely came from the populations in Hawaii. These populations originated from a very small founder stock and have been heavily inbred over the years due to this genetic bottleneck. As far as anyone can tell, however, these are very healthy populations still. While further inbreeding should be avoided, the effects are debated. I imagine that his babies are not the only lines in Canada though.

Chris

[meow_mix450]

Actual i find that more and more jacksons are comming to canada, but most are WC, they are not hard to find, well in my area anyway. I saw a captive bred jackson that was about a month or less old going for 150, thats a good price considering its a CB i didnt have the cash but if i would it would be in my hands by now. Its now probly gone.

Meow

[dank7oo]

Wow ... I wish they were that common in my parts. Then again, my mom is sure that I am finished with new reptiles till I die - LOL

Jason

[meow_mix450]

LOL dont go murdering them now:p

Meow

[dank7oo]

*plots*

Jason

[concept3]

ive seen cb jacksons in Edmonton pet stores, It was super pet, look them up and give them a call.

[meow_mix450]

how much????

Meow

[Matt.B]

I saw veileds at petsmart but they are $100 and only 3 weeks old so I would rather spend the same money to get it shipped to me from a reputible breeder than to just get it as an impulse buy. BTW I have decided to get a veiled instead of a jackson they seem to be a better starter and are much cheaper. Does anyone know of a good care sheet for them and I a an hibiscus? plant and was wondering if that would be ok for a cham?
Matt

[Chris_Anderson]

Hibiscus are great plants. Just be sure to clean the leaves off to get any pesticides off. Here is a FAQ on veileds that you might like: http://www.chameleonnews.com/year2003/mar2003/calyptratus/veiled_faq.html

Chris

[Matt.B]

I have found a breeder located in edmonton and withing the next month and a half I will be picking up a juvinile pair and hope to breed in the future.
Matt

[DragnDrop]

Just curious - male and female from the same clutch?

[dank7oo]

You took the words right out of my mouth Hilde :)

Jason

[Matt.B]

I would never inbreed. Hes got two clutches that hatched like three months ago so I get the pick of the "litter"
Matt

[dj_honeycuts]

If it is who I think it might be, he lists on his website that he has 1 male and two females breeding. Same father, different mothers. Not really sure that there would be enough shuffling of the genes to not be considered inbreeding. If this is the case you may want to consider getting one from a seperate source.

[Matt.B]

He has a group of two females and one male plus another male he put the male in with the female by accident so now he has two completely different clutches.
Matt

[Matt.B]

Let me refrase that. Thats what I was told by a friend.
Matt

[dj_honeycuts]

That's good. The only thing you may want to double check is that the other male isn't just offspring from an earlier pairing.
I'd also ask him exactly how it was that he managed to "accidently" put the other male in with the female for a breeding session? A little hard to mix up 4 animals in my opinion, especially for long enough to allow for courtship and breeding.

[Matt.B]

He went on vacation and the person who was looking after them put the male in and he mated with her.
Matt
ps I will try to find out if they are related and if so then I will just get two females from him and a male from the show coming up

[Matt.B]

I have decided to meet someone else at the red deer show. I turns out that it is a male from a previos clutch and I would preffer not to ship. I am getting a male and a female from two different blood lines.
Matt

[panther_dude]

awsome good job on your research buddy. Glad to know your that determined to find diff. blood lines.
keep up the good work