Panther Growth Rate

[Solomon]

I have two ambanja's - male and female. The male is growing fast - at least 2 - 3 inches since April. The female is still small - possibly grown 1 inch since April as well.

Same setup for both - 85 - 90f basking, 5.0 UVB bulbs(purchased shortly after they were), misted 3 times a day, drippers used, meals daily - dusted 2 - 3 times per week with jurrasical or reptivite.

I haven't found any info on their growth rates - maybe I'm expecting them to grow faster - like veileds?

your two-cents appreciated.

Thanks

[panther_dude]

For starters you might want to up there basking point just a bit. Around the 95-97 degree range. My two nosy be's are doing awsome at these temps. You will notice that the male will grow faster then the famale. Females are actually quite a bit smaller full grow when compared to the males.
Also its good to get someone in that hasnt seen your chameleons in a while. They cna notice the change in size alot easier then you can, as im sure you spend most of you day watching them as I do.
But so far all sounds pretty good to me. How many crix are you feeding daily? How old are the chameleons? Do you feed a variety of insects? Is they re invironment at all stress full to them?

[Collide]

I think your basking spot is fine imo, The male will grow alot more then the female, females are alot smaller then males, I dont hink u have a problem here but it might help if u give approx age and length, and no panthers do not explode like veilds although somethimes the males seem that way, when the female is fully grown they seem soo small compaired to the male. so yea let us now length and age that would give a better idea. If your really worried go see a vet.

[dank7oo]

I agree with Brandy. The basking spot at 90 is fine.

Jason

[meow_mix450]

to see the if they are going take pictures and look back

Meow

[panther_dude]

yes 90- is good but in madagascar temps can reach up to 103 for a majority of the year.

[Chris_Anderson]

Originally posted by panther_dude
yes 90- is good but in madagascar temps can reach up to 103 for a majority of the year.

Maybe somewhere in Madagascar but this is not the norm for F. pardalis habitat. "The temperature in its habitat ranges from moderate in the winter (daily average 23C [73.4F) to hot in the summer (daily average 28C [82.4F)." (Ferguson, G., Murphy, J., Ramanamanjato, J., and Raselimanana, A. The Panther Chameleon: Color Variation, Natural History, Conservation, and Captive Management).

Chris

[dank7oo]

Thinks *It sure is great to have Chris back* :D

Jason

[panther_dude]

yes well you do what you want. my basking spots are at 100 and my chameleons love it. I see them basking all the time. But oh no wait thats to hott lol.
They are allways very content and love the heat. They are also growing really well and have never been conserned about there growth rate.

[dank7oo]

Whatever bud. Your the one risking stuff.

For everyone who wants to know, I have (and most panther owners) have a basking spot about 90-92 F.

Jason

[panther_dude]

And for everyone who wants to know chameleon husbandry is not writen in stone.

[Jungle Jen]

OK so how big are pantheres SUPPOSED to get? (Length snout to vent)

[meow_mix450]

Males can reach up to 21 inchs

Meow

[Jungle Jen]

21 inches??? OMG all the panthers I have seen in the lower mainland have been ~5 inches nose to vent MAX. I had one come into rescue that my freind adopted and he is still only 5-6 inches and doing great. (all the husbandry practices match what the cham keepers recommend) I recently had a breeding pair traded to me and me not being a lizard person decided to sell them, and they were only ~5 inches. Is this normal? I have seen a dozen or more panthers in the lower mainland and they were all in the same size range? Is there maybe a sub-species or somethng???

[meow_mix450]

only 5 inchs your kidding me. my nosy be is a foot long.

Meow

[vtbigyellow]

a foot long from snout to vent???!!

[meow_mix450]

ya lol, i just measured

meow

[meow_mix450]

i forgot to mention that in capivity is around 12 to18 inches

Meow

[Chris_Anderson]

Those estimates are a little misleading. To begin with, male F. pardalis have been known to reach up to 56 cm (20.5") total length, not snout to vent. Most individuals peak out around 40 cm total length, however.

Chris

[meow_mix450]

i got the information from adcham and chameleonjournals, they both said 21inchs, but thats in the wild, in capivity they are smaller 12inchs to 18inchs. But i guess it varys

Meow

[Jungle Jen]

What the heck did I get? They sure as hell aren't near the lengths you mentioned, and I was told they are panthers, they look like panthers, didn't taste them, but I'm sure they are a type of panther?
OK so I got some panthers, they were bred and raised locally, this is only one pair of many I have seen, and they have ALL been 5-6 inches MAX. Some of them, including the pair I got, were proven breeders, could they be a subspecies? I was told they were 1-3 years old, another my friend got from me is 5-6 inches snout to vent and he's almost 4 years now.
Was I mislead? I was told and thought I had gotten Furcifer pardalis.

Pictures of the proven pair I received? (http://community.webshots.com/album/94192372LhvrQX)

I'm Terribly Confused?!?!?! :confused:

[K1LOS]

21" SVL in a panther is not right. They mean the over all length. Nose to the tip of the tail.

For the record, i keep my basking spot warmer as well, i run at about 95 degrees and he loves it. As long as there is a gradient of heat its all good.

[meow_mix450]

opps i misread i cnat beleive it i feel like a idiot now haha, from nose to vent mine is probly 8inchs. Hmmm Jungle Jen thats weird yours look really small. How long have to had it so far?

Meow

[Jungle Jen]

Not very long at all, I received them in a trade, but I'm more of a snake person so I sold them. I was told they sucessfully bred before they were in my posession? What are your thoughts about that???