New Bigger Problem, Need Help ASAP

[doenoe]

Ok, first off i want to call me an idiot now.
That being said, i will tell whats going on. Maybe some of you saw the thread of the emperor scorpion with the now missing claw. Well today i forgot to put back the divider in the tank, and the little guy got attacked again. So now his other pedipalp got hurt. Im pretty sure he will loose this one to. So, then i have an emperor scorpion with no pedipalps. Unless there is some way to cure the wound on his "arm". He cant move it anymore.
What in the name of someone am i suposed to do now? I havent got a clue.........
Think its a better idea to euthanise him? If so, whats the most humane way to do that?
I havent got a clue what the chances of survival is on a clawless scorpion, but i guess they arent to big.
Darn it
I hope someone knows what to do, cause i dont know.....
Thanx in advance for any reply
Greetz Daan

[manville]

......omg thats not cool at all..i guess you will just have to hand feed it..it will survive

[anacondaman]

im not sure about handfeeding.....emperors have weak venom so they dont rely on there sting...they rely on their claws...i dont think hand feeing will work because scorpions r such stressfull animals... as much as it may pain you...if the scorpion can not eat after about a week....2 weeks tops! id advice to kill it. but remember this is my opinion only.

my 2 cents

adam

[anacondaman]

i also realize that scorpions molt and regrow lims....but if it is an adult it may not molt again or it may not be for a very long time...which would just prolong the animals suffering.

[reptile boi]

"im not sure about handfeeding.....emperors have weak venom so they dont rely on there sting...they rely on their claws...i dont think hand feeing will work because scorpions r such stressfull animals... "

what? and huh? Yes, emps have very weak venom and they dont rely on stinging their prey but what does that have to do with handfeeding an emp? And what did you mean by "stressfull animals"? I used to have really lazy emps which i always hand fed with no problem.
Doenoe,
as long as your scorp was not a problematic feeder, you shouldnt have any problems. But because both his pedipalps are missing, ur gunna have to help him hold up the cricket or w.e food source your feeding him up to his mouth until he finishes like he wouldve done with his pedipalps. He may or may not survive, but emps from my experience are very hardy animals, but he may not be able to breed ever again in his life if you were ever wondering since male scorps use their pedipalps to grab a hold of the females pedipalps to direct her to the spermataphore.



Thanks,
Ben

[anacondaman]

by stressfull animals i ment that they respond negatively too outside stimuli....these are invertabrates and have no idea that you are helping them. the scorpion has no claws so that must meen it is more stressed than usual. putting your hand in its face will only stress it more. im not trying to tell you to kill the scorpion. thats why i said try for about 2 weeks. but if the scorpion is not eating you will have no choice but to kill it.

best regards to your scorpion...and try everything you can to get it eating. i wish you the best of luck

my 2 cents

adam

[anacondaman]

you could also try damaging the crickets...this would make them slower and much easier to cease..if its possible for the scorpion!

adam

[anacondaman]

and reptile boi...wut did u meen by hand feeding....im sure the circumstances with this scorpion are much different than ur scorps.

how did u hand feed the scorps?? im sure it would be pretty hard to hand feed an emp with those huge claws...not to mention stressful too the animal.

[reptile boi]

Actually, its pretty easy, just rip off the crickets head and squeeze some gut out, take a pair of tweezers and touch the scorps mouth with some of the guts (this always triggers the or any other scorps to start nibbling away) and obviously you do NOT use your fingers. It CAN be pretty challenging for people who havent had a lot of experience with scorps, but once you get the hang of it, its really simple. Oh and also, try and hold ur breath when your trying to feed your scorp, i have found that by just breathing some air onto the scorps it sometimes frightens em n they might not eat.



Thanks,
Ben

[SaIiLdVaEnR]

"i also realize that scorpions molt and regrow lims...."
Scorpions do not regrow limbs like tarantulas do. Their regenerative properties are not that great. Even baby scorpions have a great deal of trouble with regrowing limbs. I have one missing a leg, approximately 1 month old. I doubt he will regrow more than a stub.

If that scorpion loses its other claw, I am sorry to say, it will most likely die. Scorpions do not handfeed either, I do not know what gave you that idea. They may take food from your hands, but they take that food with their claws and not their mouths. They will not come up to your hand and start eating a cricket as they are reclusive animals.
(This goes for tweezers as well)
Aidan

[anacondaman]

i agree....i still dont understand why you would even try to hand feed a scorpion unless it was damaged like the case in this conversastion..its makin the scorpions sound like friggen puppies or sumtin. like i said before...their response to outside stimuli is far to great for a tweaseers to shoved in their face.

i would just like to add that i have had many scorps...and even breed asain forest scorpions. and i did not know they could not regrow lims. thanks for the scorpion info SaIildVaEnR

adam

[reptile boi]

Hey SaIildVaEnR,
Obviously a scorpion will not come up to you to be fed, thats why you approach them.

anacondaman,
I hand fed them because they were trouble feeders.




Thanks,
Ben

[reptile boi]

either way doenoe,
You should at least try to get some food into ur scorp and see how it goes on with life.




Thanks,
Ben

[doenoe]

thanks for the replies.
I will first just leave him alone for a few days and after that try to feed it. The pedipalp is still on there, but it will come off in a few days, just like the other one, i think.
Will try to take of the hindlegs and feed the cricket butt first. Wont kill it, since the scorp reacts on movement. Maybe make some kind of thingie which holds the tweezer with the cricket, so i wont have to be near him with my "Huge" hands. Sure hope it will work, cause i would hate to loose him.
But if it wont work.................whats the most humane way to kill it?
Ill keep you updated on the situation and thanks again for the replies, appriciate it.
Greetz Daan

[SaIiLdVaEnR]

Have you ever tried approaching a scorpion? Seriously, think. A reclusive animal is going to RUN AWAY when approached, not sit there. The most humane way to kill it is to put it in the freezer.

Aidan

[anacondaman]

the freezer is the best way...but try as hard as possible to feed it first....thats the thing about capivity..it allows animals to beat the odds

adam

[doenoe]

Offcourse im gonna try it first. Dont know for sure if i dont try it first.
He still looks pretty active, tail in a nice curl and walking around. Its pretty difficult for him to walk, since he steps on the pedipalp. But i guess i just have to wait till that comes off.
Just gonna wait 2 or 3 days before feeding, to get him a bit relaxed (if thats possible, i know i would freak the whole time if my arm was just hanging there..........but thats me)
Anyways, thanks again for your concern and offcourse i will keep you all updated on his situation.
Greetz Daan

[reptile boi]

Aidan,
Actually, yes, i have tried approaching scorpions, i have found that the large emps n asian forests will put up a fight and if it doesnt work, they will result in running away.




Thanks,
Ben

[skinheaddave]

I hand off crickets to scorpions now and then. Mostly with forceps, but occasionaly just with my hands. I have an Opisthacanthus asper that I just love to feed by hand because he will grab the cricket with his chela. And as for running away etc., it is going to entirely depend on the species, individual etc. I have found adult Pandinus to be quite easy to deal with on the whole, while the juvies can be a handful.

Anyhow, back to the original question. Scorpions will scavange and can definitely use their chelicera without assistance. Anyone who has ever seen a scorpion eating while holding two more crickets, one in each chela, knows this. Or if you startle a scorpion that is eating and it opts not to drop its food, but instead run with it in its cheliceral grasp while using its pedipalps for balance. Anyhow, I would advise you try ripping the head off a large cricket and dropping it in front of the scorpion. Don't smoosh it into its face or anything, just place it nearby. Then, obeserve discreetly (blacklight if you've got it) every few minutes and see if it will eat. If not, leave it for morning and see if the cricket is still there. Then get back to us with the details and for further suggestions.

Cheers,
Dave

[reptile boi]

thank you dave. At least you know what your talking about and dont jump to conclusions and tell some1 that their scorp is going to die and to throw it in the freezer just because its missing its pedipalps, ignorant people like that just sets me off.




Thanks,
Ben

[anacondaman]

reptile boi..i hope u didnt think i was being ignorant....i do believe he should try to feed it in every way possible....but uve gotta agree that if the scorpion doesnt eat in about 2 weeks time it should be uthanized. i do believ u wer able to handfeed your scorpions...its just from my experiance with scorpions they get stressed way to easy when there is a hand in their face. this scorpion will never be able to be put in a communal tank (doesnt matter anyways) and im not sure but it mite also have trouble digging and lifting objects to get under to hide.

also i have a question. if the scorpion has no claws, will it stress much easier due to lack of a defensive weapon? i know it has a tail..but the species in question uses its claws more.

my 2 cents

adam

[SaIiLdVaEnR]

Reptile boi, calm down. It's opinions from everyone not 2 people. If you don't like it, leave and stop your whining.

Aidan

[skinheaddave]

I would like to put in my two cents on the issue of stress, euthanization etc. I would not even CONSIDER killing a scorpion unless it actually showed signs of distress. As long as it moves around normally and does not become emaciated, don't worry too much about it. If it is in good condition now, it could go months without eating and without suffering. These are not mammals -- they can go incredibly long times without food.

As for stress, while death is not stressful, it is far from a reassuring solution. I would certainly like to think that if I lost my hands people would not want to kill me because my life was not as convenient as it used to be. And yes, that is anthropomorphic -- but that should only strengthen my point. The scorpion is either going to do okay in the conditions you provide or it isn't. If you provide it with water to drink and try to get it eating pre-killed food (quite a good possibility) then I see no reason why it shouldn't continue to thrive. Even if it does not eat, you may as well let it live until it shows signs of distress or emaciation. In my opinion, people are too quick to euthenize bugs for the same reason that they should be particularily slow to make that decision.

Cheers,
Dave

[anacondaman]

thats scorpions only purpose in life was to breed. its sad to see it wont be able to do that again.

[Dragoon]

Dave,
You are wonderful!
~hug~
D.

[skinheaddave]

Originally posted by anacondaman
thats scorpions only purpose in life was to breed. its sad to see it wont be able to do that again.

While I see what you are saying, that isn't really a sufficient reason to kill it. Should I go through my whole collection and kill any specimen that I am unlikely to be able to find a mate for? A handful of months ago I layed my hands on a H.cyaneus that was brought in with some H.longimanus. Shoudl I have killed him on the spot because I couldn't find a female?

Cheers,
Dave

[anacondaman]

oh..i didnt meen it in any other way than it is sad...by no meens should the animal be killed on terms because it cant breed. im sorry if u took me the wong the way.

adam

[skinheaddave]

Ah. Well, I suppose it is somewhat sad.

Cheers,
Dave