Leopard Gecko ICB Dust

[little_dragon_]

Who all uses the leopard gecko icb dust?
I have been using it for my leos, cresties, helmeted, and satanics I have noticed an increase in appetite for all of them.

[Samba]

I've never used it, but would like to know more about it....

[Tim and Julie B]

Same here, what info you got?:D

Julie

[little_dragon_]

it's made by T rex, it has 25% protien in the powder, vitiman A, Calcium, and D3

[PDDM]

I Just Use The calcium 2:0,no Phosphorus for carnivores...smells seriously like fish...it works well heres info on it:
http://www.t-rexproducts.com/images/80250.jpg

2:0 Calcium/ No Phosphorus
T-Rex 2:0 also provides both a mineral and a vitamin supplement in the same convenient product.
T-Rex 2:0 is similar to T-Rex 2:1, but contains NO PHOSPHORUS. It is scientifically designed for
CARNIVOROUS (also omnivorous) reptiles and amphibians which require a calcium supplement, but already receive adequate phosphorus from eating crickets, meal worms, wax worms, mice, etc.
T-REX 2:0 is highly palatable, easily absorbed and cost effective. Simply sprinkle over the reptile's food 3 to 4 times a week.
T-REX 2:0 is available in two sizes: 100 gram and 400 gram

Now this is The stuff for leos:
http://www.t-rexproducts.com/images/83252.jpg

Insect Cricket Balancer

* Complete the nutritional value of feeder insects
* No supplementation needed !
* All human grade health food ingredients
* Specie Specific
* Researched, Developed and Field Tested for years by the SandFire Dragon Ranch


Not too much Specific Info on the ICB...Im No Expert On Supplements...Maybe as Some of the Better people like Tim N Julie If they know which one is better

[PDDM]

oh about the IBC i Found This on the T-Rex product Site:

Testimonials: Hi all,

I'm sure nobody knows who I am (followed the link here from the Sandfire page!), but I keep a few leopard geckos (3 females, 2 males). I have one young albino male that doesn't seem to want to put on weight at all. Well, after using my new leopard gecko specific supplement, the little bugger ate 5-6 crickets, about 3 times his normal intake for a sitting! And he still seemed to want more. My three females and other male took to them just as swiftly. Hopefully this will start a trend and my two young males will bulk up and I can finally get them working on some babies! Thanks tons for the new supplement!!

Fred



Greetings. I have had my leopard Gecko for about 6 years now, and although she has always been healthy, she has never had that big of an appetite, and so never seemed to get as big as other leos I have seen around the same age. About a month ago, I picked up your Leopard Gecko Dust super food and began dusting my crickets with it and pretty much instantly her appetite has shot thru the roof! She has gone from a few crickets a week, to a few a day! When she see's me fiddling with the cricket cage, she moves very fast over towards me in anticipation. She also seems to enjoy licking the dusty bits off her mouth after eating one as well. After looking over your list of ingredients, it is obvious a lot of research and thought has gone into this product. I just wanted to say thanks, because your dust seems to be exactly what my lil Dr.Lizard needed!

-Sean Siegler

[DragnDrop]

The T-rex site has a List of ingredients (http://www.t-rexproducts.com/Dynamic/ingredients.asp?item=83252)
After reading it, I won't be using the stuff. But that's my personal opinion. I'm sure millions of people will use it. The Sandfire name on the product will suggest it's okay to use, no matter how many red flags might pop up about the product.

My reasoning? ...

Typically 100 grams of raw banana has 5 mg Ca (calcium) and 22 mg P (Phosphorus). Link to do a Banana analysis search ... Food Nutrient Search USDA site (http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/index.html) This is over 4 times as much phosphorus as calcium! A complete reversal of what it should be. Since the suggested ratio for herps is 3:1 Ca:P or even 4:1, this ingredient seems to be a bit strange in a leopard food or supplement. I do know Rhacodactylus and Phelsuma love banana, but leos??? Insects are an excellent source of phosphorus on their own, so adding more via banana doesn't look right to me from a leo standpoint (or from any insectivore or carnivore perspective).

Add in the fact that they have preformed Vitamin A in the list, even though it's supposedly a minimal amount. Vitamin A is fat soluble, stored in the body. It's easy to OD on it, and can easily be fatal. Even minimal amounts of preformed Vitamin A are available in a good gutload or prey insect. Adding more of it in a supplement doesn't make sense to me.

It does have spirulina in it, which is great, can't argue with that ingredient at all. I use it in my gutload mixes for all the insect and even dust crickets with it once in a while.

There's also this statement: "Fiber helps clean the gut through friction against the intestinal wall.It can help flush internal parasites from the gut." Just watch someone come along and think it's a dewormer too. Why include that statement? Even a good case of 'the runs' can flush some parasites from the gut, so should we push laxatives as dewormers too?

As if the banana doesn't add enough phosphorus, along comes Dicalcium Phosphate. "Primary source of Phosphorous for foods."
Phosphorus is bound with calcium to form bones, so it's got to be in the diet. Yet it's so plentiful as I already mentioned, that it's not necessary to add it in separately. If you're suffering from a phosphate deficiency, you're a medical marvel. It takes real effort to avoid ingesting phosphorus in any way shape or form. Does it really have to be added to a carnivore/insectivore supplement? Calcium carbonate works well for Ca supplementation, dicalcium phosphate is overkill, IMHO.

There's some good stuff in there, there's some bad stuff in there. To me, there's just too much bad stuff to risk using it on my geckos.

[GeckoCorral]

AHA!! I knew it had to be too good to be true.

Somehow I knew Hilde would be here to fill in what was missing, the ingredients!

All I use is a CaD3 supplement, offerred 24/7 in a dish, and once a week I use Herptivite to fill in any possible missing vits and mins that my gut loaded feeders might be missing.

To date? No problems at all, no MBD, no vit A over-dosing, just nice big healthy geckos. Am I just "horse shoe" lucky? Could be, but as long as the "shoes" stay where they are, I'll not change anything when it comes to my gutload and what I do for supplementing.

That's just me, and that's all I gots to say.:D

Diana.

[PDDM]

DragnDrop and others-This supllement i listed b4,2:0 Calcium/No Phosphorus,is it any better then IBC????These are The ingredients:
Calcium carbonate, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A acetate, Cholecalciferol (source of Vit D3), and Stabilizers. Guaranteed Analysis: Calcium (max): 38.5% Calcium (min): 34.5% Vitamin A: 144,400IU Vitamin D3: 14,400IU Vitamin C: 941mg

THX

[Ixidor]

I use sticky tounge farms vit-all ? I think thats what its called, anyway it works just fine for me my geckos eat a lot anyway so even if this supposedly does increase appetite it wouldn't be healthy, my advice, listen to hilde :D she knows what she's talking about