Hypo Motley X Anery Het Hypo Het Motley clutch is hatching!(Pics)

[BoidKeeper]

Here they are on day 60. There were 30 in this clutch originally but I lost 3 along the way to what I think may have been an icubator spike early on.
I put them in two boxes to allow for enough medium to not dry out.
Box 1 I think I saw a little Anery head in this part of the clutch which would mean that my Hypo Motley is also het for Anery.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Hypo_Motley_X_Ivory_Clutch_03_07_04_1-med.jpg
Box 2.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Hypo_Motley_X_Ivory_Clutch_Box_03_07_04_1-med.jpg
Also worth mentioning is that the whole clutch started off in one boxe inside my bar fridge incubator. Soon after I realised that the box could not hold enough medium to sustain the humidity needed for the whole clutch. I then slipt the clutch into two boxes. It stayed like that for a while and then I move one half of the clutch again into a new larger box and placed it into a wet incubator. After that I had no more problems. I sure did not enjoy learning on the fly with a new incubator. It took me a while to get to know my dry incubator but now that I do I do like it. Two things that helped improve its performance were placing it in the absolute most stable room in my house and placing a small water dish on top of the heat pad to help with the humidity. Given the choice however, I would opt for a wet incubator over a dry any time.
Cheers,
Trevor

[AtlanticReptile]

Congrats Trevor, can't wait to see them.



Nick
AtlanticReptiles

[BoidKeeper]

Sounds good Nick! Poss het balls may be out by then too!
Cheers,
Trevor

[672]

How can your anery be het hypo, isn't hypo co-dominant?

[BoidKeeper]

Nope, there aren't any co-dom genes in corns.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Congrats~

Are you sure that the little head is an anery motley? Cause it could be just that the normal motley is just a bit dark wait until it sheds so that is why it looks anery~

But hey if your hypo motley is het anery it's great~!!

Getting Anery motleys from a clutch of 'expected normal motley' is awesome~!

Congrats~!

I should have my amel motley x butter het motley coming out soon So they all would be amel het caramel motley and amel motely het caramel~~

Good job~!

[Jeff_Favelle]

GREAT stuff!!!

[thunder]

actually, bloodred may be codom, cuz the hets are often visually diff from normals

[MouseKilla]

672,

I learned the other day that the hypo gene in Boa constrictors is co-dominant, I found that interesting because I knew it was recessive in corns. lol!

Of course with all the hypo corn genes out there who knows if a co-dom won't eventually be found? It would certainly be cool to discover that corns also have a whack of co-doms to play with on top of all the cool recessives that are already proven.

[Simon]

Originally posted by thunder
actually, bloodred may be codom, cuz the hets are often visually diff from normals

This is true,
BUT this can only prove out that the bloodred gene does affect the visual of the snake a bit. It doesn't actually make the affect that the gene is suppose to do. That is, its not blending the background colors with the blotch colorations.

It only shows that the animal MIGHT BE het for bloodred.
If you say that the bloodred is co-dominant than the caramel gene might as well be co-dominant cause A LOT OF TIMES (like the bloodred gene) the amount of yellow is shown on the snake. A normal het caramel will have a lot more yellow on the 1st 3rd of the body than a normal corn.

But the caramel gene is a recessive gene....

So there are no co-dominant gene for the corns (at least I don't know of any co-dominant gene as of now)

[BoidKeeper]

Ok Simon, up date time. The Hypo Motley (Sire) in not het for Anery but the Anery (Dame) is not only het for Hypo she's het for Motley too!
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Hyp_Mot_X_Any_het_hyp_het_mot_04_07_04_1-med.jpg
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Motley_04_07_04_1.jpg
So in this clutch I'll get Hypos, Motleys and maybe even a Hypo Motley. Can't wait for Ghost Motley now!
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Trev,

LOL....well since you send me pics and you posted here I don't know where to respond....maybe I'll reply to both your email and your post....
Anyway...okay let me try and get this stright....at least for me...
From the photos that you send me and the photos that you posted
it looks to me that the
Sire is Hypo Motley het anery
Dame is Anery het motely and not hypo.

The reason why I say that is because in your clutch it looks like that there are anerys and normal motleys in there.

So basically in my opinion,
you should hve
25% Anery Motley het hypo
25% Motley het anery and hypo
25% Anery het hypo and motley
25% Normal het anery, hypo and motley

Now if we went by your theory of
Sire = Hypo Motley
Dame = Anery het hypo and motley
then the results should be:
25% Hypo Motley het anery
25% Motley het anery and hypo
25% Hypo het anery and motley
25% Normal het hypo, anery and motley

But in your clutch and from your photos I see anerys in there.
So the results should be my theory...in my opinion..
plus to me the second picture that you posted looks like a normal motley (assuming it has a plain belly) to me~

Also the photo that you send me in the email with the title "Is this a hypo" looks like an anery to me too.

So I am sure sure that Sire = Hypo Motley het anery Dame Anery het motley and not hypo

Now I know that you got the Dame from South Mountain, did you get a chance to ask Don what the parents were of the Dame? Cause I know for sure that if you ask Don, he would tell you for sure~ Maybe we can work things out from the grandparents to figure out what the Dame is~

[BoidKeeper]

Dame is Anery het motely and not hypo.
She was proved hypo last year when I bred her to my snow and got both aneries and ghost in the clutch.

So I am sure sure that Sire = Hypo Motley het anery Dame Anery het motley and not hypo
So in fact what I may have is Sire = Hypo Motley het anery and Dame = Anery het hypo and as we can see from the motley, het motley.
I'm still not sure about those anery looking ones because they seem so much more purple then black.

(assuming it has a plain belly)
Yup the motley is a plain belly and so is one of the other dark ones with out the motley pattern.
I'll try to get some better pics,
Trevor

[Simon]

Well...
if this is the case
then that is even better right?
Sire = Hypo Motley het anery
Dame = Anery het hypo and motley
Your results should be:
12.50% Ghost Motley
12.50% Anery Motley het hypo
12.50% Hypo Motley het anery
12.50% Motley het anery and hypo
12.50% Ghost het motley
12.50% Anery het hypo and motley
12.50 Hypo het anery and motley
12.50% Normal het anery, hypo and motley.

So you'll get a chance that there are ghost motleys in this clutch then! Cause from what I am seeing in the email, that purplish snake is infact an anery. Anerys do tend to come out a bit lightly colored and does have a bit of purplish tone in it...but after its first shed, you'll know that its not...~

But the weird thing is that you're getting a lot of anerys...and no ghosts..at least not yet...

see what I mean that this year is the year of the anerys....LOL~

Hope to see a ghost motley from your clutch soon~!

[BoidKeeper]

see what I mean that this year is the year of the anerys....LOL~
Nothing wrong with that! I love anerys.

Hope to see a ghost motley from your clutch soon~!
Oh you and me both my friend! That would be the pinicle of my corn season for me.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

LOL
sure
there is nothing wrong with a couple of anerys around...but this is getting out of hand...I think that I have had around 100-130 anerys out for this season...I am not really a dark/black colored corn guy...I like the more brilliant bright colored snakes more....so that is why I am not as happy~~

Hey if you produce any ghost motley remember to post pics~!
To be honest ghost motleys are one of the best looking snkaes around. They hvae this lavenderish coloration on it. The more they develop, the more lavender color and light coloration they have. Just lovely~!

[672]

Mousekilla,

I learned it the other way around. First I discovered that hypomelanism is co-dominant in boas, and then I figured out that hypo is recessive in corns... weird...

[BoidKeeper]

Wellso far there are 6 anerys in this clutch and not one is a motley but I think they almost have a plain belly like this one.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289An_ht_Hyp_Mot_04_07_04_1-med.jpg
Sorry for the bad pic,
Trevor

[Simon]

You know Trev,
a lot of times when a hatchling is het for motley....they have SOME checkerings and SOME plain bellys.

Hey at least you have two motleys (the normal motley you mentioned earlier and this anery motley~)

[vanderkm]

Congrats on the clutch and especially on proving your female het for motley - that is great. No hypos yet?? I was really looking forward to seeing this clutch to see some comparison shots of hypos and normals at hatching and I think you were one of the few people who post that had a chance of producing both in the same clutch.

Looking forward to more pics!


mary v.

[BoidKeeper]

Well so far Mary there hasn't been much that is not Anery. When all the none Anerys are born I'll take pics of them all and post them for us to decide what looks Hypo and what doesn't. I can't believe no Ghost yet! Grrr!
Cheers,
Trevor

[Linds]

Congrats on the little guys!

[BoidKeeper]

Thanks Linds.
I just took 5 more out of the incubator. One was a really nice Anery Motley. I also got what I think is my first Hypo Motley of the clutch. There were a few others too that I can't really tell if they are Hypo or not. I'll have to wait until they shed to be sure. Once they shed I'll have a better idea.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Can't wait until you post some more photos~~

Keep them coming or shoot them at my email alright?

I'll be waiting~~
muhahahah

[Stav.T]

Good stuff Trevor Congrats they are cuties!

Stav