Snows and Blizzards

[Simon]

Well since I am posting...

Here are pics of my snow motley and coral snows and blizzards:

Blizzard Female
http://www.extremesnakes.com/images/Photos/Corns/Bliz0302F-01.JPG

Snow Moltey Female
http://www.extremesnakes.com/images/Photos/Corns/SMot0201F-08.JPG

http://www.extremesnakes.com/images/Photos/Corns/SMot0201F-09.JPG

Snow Motley/Striped Female
http://www.extremesnakes.com/images/Photos/Corns/SMot0301F-03.JPG

http://www.extremesnakes.com/images/Photos/Corns/SMot0301F-04.JPG

Coral Snow Female
http://www.extremesnakes.com/images/Photos/Corns/SP0101F-19.JPG

Hope you enjoyed these pics too~

[Jeff_Favelle]

Beauty MACRO!!! :jawdrop:

[Invictus]

Nice shots, Simon. That blizzard female in the first pic is just unreal.

[BoidKeeper]

Simon is there a morph you don't have?
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Thanks all~
I am glad that you like them~

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
Simon is there a morph you don't have?
Cheers,
Trevor

Trevor,
this answer is so easy~
of course!!
I have tons of morphs out there that I don't have!

Right now some of the things that I don't have and are on my wish list is actually quite long...
but now
Sulfur Corn is one of the things that I really want...
Hypo Lav Striped
Lava Amel
Lava Okeetee
Lava Lavender
Opal Bloodred
Lava Bloodred
Ultra Lavender
and this list could just go on forever.....

[BoidKeeper]

Nice list Simon. I just want to incorperate the motley gene into everything I have!
How do you make an Ultra lavender?
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Trevor,

Making an Ultra Lavender is easy

Just get the 'ingredients'

Breed Ultra x Lavender.
That way in the first generation, it would be

Normal het Ultra and Lavender
Breed these F1s together and you'll have a chance in getting Ultra Lavenders~

Ultra Lavenders are only double homozygous for two things. Now start putting the motley/striped/bloodred/and other things into the project and make it fun~~~ LOL~~

[BoidKeeper]

Ultra what, hypos? Next year I'll have a pair ready from a Hypo Motley X Lavender pairing. Any chance of an altra lavender in there? Or even better an ultra lavender motley in there?
Cheers,
Trevor

[MouseKilla]

You didn't ask me but... Ultra Lavender would be Lavender X Lava (Hypo type C) I think. Ultra just being another name for Lava, unless Simon is talking about yet another Hypo gene out there.

Either way Ultra refers to a hypo gene other than type A, I think it's type C but I could be wrong.

[tai_pan1]

Alright, can someone give me a primer on the Hypo genes? I know there are supposed to be three different hypo genes, but what diferentiates one from the other?

[MouseKilla]

Speaking once again from my limited knowledge of these things (Simon and several other members have a FAR better understanding of this stuff than I do!) there are AT LEAST 3 different hypo genes in corns, I don't know if a fourth has been proven or not... for all I know the fourth is old news and we're on to wondering if there is yet another still.

I don't know if there exists any strict definitions of any of the hypo genes but we do know that there are several proven ones. They do look different from eachother, check out Simon's Lava pics in another thread and compare them to a regular Hypo A, different but in a hard to describe sort of way.

[Simon]

Trevor,

Ultra is the 4th type of hypo. It is proven out this year that there are AT LEAST 4 types of hypo genes out there. The 5th and 6th Hypo are on the way in being proven (Transparent Hypo and Dream Hypo) BUT in my own opinion, the Dream Hypo looks like a regular hypo to me. Not much of a difference...but the transparent hypos do look different and I will say that they are diferent....just no proven yet.

So basically what an Ultra Lavender is, is An Ultra Hypo Lavender (or if you put it this way...Hypo Type D Lavender...or Hypo Type 4 Lavender....if this makes any sense to you.)

The chance of your Ultra Hypo Lavender Motley is quite slim...there are not a lot of Ultra Hypos out there...most of them looks like Amels with Black eyes...that's how red the 4th type of Hypo makes the snake look like....so unless your Hypo Motley looks like an amel motley with black eyes the chances are quite slim~~ But this project of Ultra Hypo Motley Lavender (geeze..quite a long name) is on the way....

Mousekilla,
Well you're almost right. At least you know that there are at least 3 types of hypos out there. Just that right now this year we have proven out that there are the 4th type. The 5th and 6th types are not proven yet...but on their way~~

Originally posted by MouseKilla
They do look different from eachother, check out Simon's Lava pics in another thread and compare them to a regular Hypo A, different but in a hard to describe sort of way.

LOL yeah they look different from each other alright...and yes...it's really hard to type out the difference between each other...unless you really see them in person.

tai_pan1,
I am going to try and describe them with words....but this is hard..

Hypo A - The 'regular' hypo just reduces the amount of melamine on the snake. Making it look more 'maroonish' than a normal corn. Also a bit brighter...

Hypo B (aka Sunkissed Hypo) - Dilutes the melamine a lot more. Also makes the snake looks bighter than the usual hypo. Instead of the 'maroonish' coloration, it tends to make the snake with a brighter and more 'orangish' coloration

Hypo C (aka Lava Hypo) - This one is hard...works kind of like the Hypo A but it also puts on a layer of 'waxy' stuff on...its like that you have put wax on the snake and the way that the snake looks is very......weird... Also the boarders around blotches, you'll see that it has a hint of lavenerish/purplish tone around the black pigments. (Looking at the Lava and Ice thread might help out a bit more...since there are photos there...)

Hypo D (aka Ultra Hypo) - This one is really easy to describe...the amount of melamine that the hypo reduces and the amount of redness this hypo induces is great. Kind of makes it look like an amel...that is how brightly colored the animal is. The only thing is that the eyes on the snake is black. Not red. If its red, we'll say that it's an albino gene...but it's black so we know that it's not an amel gene but another type of hypo that reduced the black and brightened the others~~

Hypo E (aka Transluscent Hypo NOT PROVEN) - Reduces so melamine so there are still some black shown...but with brilliant bright red colors. Kind of like the really nice looking bloodred coloration that is on the snake. Just that it has fully checkered body and very bloodred looking coloration....but as stated before this hypo isn't proven yet and we are not going to be including this hypo in the gene pool UNTIL IT IS PROVEN OUT TO BE ANOTHER TYPEO OF HYPO....

Hypo F (aka Dream Hypo NOT PROVEN) - This....I really don't know how to describe these...they look like a regular hypo to me...and I personally don't think that they're any difference between these and the regular Hypo A....so can't really tell you all the difference between these and the regular hypo....but if its proven out...it might be interesting to see what the affects will be combining the other genetics in the corn world would be like...

Hope this helps out a bit..
it was easy for me...cause I can visually see them in my head..cause I have seen them...but it might be hard for you...cause I suck with descriptions and talk is much harder than visual..that is why pictures/graphs are worth more than 1000 words...

[BoidKeeper]

You know what Simon? Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to keep throwing my corns together that are morphs and hets and what ever comes out I'll take pics of and send them to you with the Sire and Dame info and I'll let you name them and work out the genes. How's that sound? It's that or I'm going to get out of corns all together.lol
Cheers,
Trevor
PS
My buddy Chris Lane just hatched out some lavenders, first ones in NB.

[Simon]

LOL
send them over~
I love working with the genetics and if you need any help at all in naming the morphs, give me the parent's info and I'll work my way from there~

Congrats on the lavender hatchlings for Chris Lane. Its not that usual to have lavenders coming out even in Canada. I am expecting my 4th clutch of lavenders to be coming out this coming week~~

Oh when you're sending me the Sire and Dame's info, if you can send me the grand parent's info too (if you can) so that I can work out the other genetics for you for your the 'grandkids' LOL

[MouseKilla]

Simon,

Well, I thought I'd give it a shot but only because I knew you'd return to correct my mistakes and set things straight for everyone else too. lol!

I'll bet it is much easier to tell them apart when you have your own examples to go by, the rest of us getting by on vague descriptions and pictures that may be misleading (especially if the examples used are hatchlings!).

I knew we were dealing with one of the less common hypo genes though, it was just a matter of picking the right one. I guess I wasn't too far behind though, given that the fourth gene was only proven this year. Before Ultra (type D) was proven though, was it not suspected that types D and C were the same?

I'm wondering if there has been any experimentation with multiple hypo genes displayed in the same animal, has it been done? If not, do you think it would be worth trying since the different hypos are so different visually?

[Simon]

Mousekilla,

LOL...don't worry. This is how we all learn....learn from mistakes~

You're definitely right..its a lot easier to tell them apart from my own examples where I can visually see them..heck even touch them if I want....lol.... and you're also right about the pictures....they always don't do them any justice at all...so its really hard even with photos posting all over the place...you'll really need to see them in person in order to tell them apart....and especially its all hypos this and that....not like the anery with the caramel and lavender genes..they are much easier to distingish by look than the hypo genes~~

Yup you're right again. Hypo D and Hypo C where suspected that they were the same since all of these new hypo genes were poping out. But with year Kat Hall over in the states proved it out that they're not. She bred a Lava and Ultra Hypo Motley together and the results? Well as you all expected...all normal het ultra, lava and motley. So triple hets~~ so this was proven that they're not the same type of hypo~

I know that hypo a and b were bred together and those just came out as hypo a. That means that the hypo a is dominant compared to the type b hypo. But since that the Lava and Ultra are still pretty new hypos I don't think that there has been any Homo Hypo C & D in one animal yet...but later on we'll definitely be able to see it....like with Kat's breeding trali for this year the normals are het hypo C & D and Motley. So in breeding them together MIGHT end up with an aimal that has triple homozygous for Hypo C, D and Motley all showing in the phenotype~ that would be something awesome!

[crimsonking]

Simon,
you have the striped butters?
:Mark

[Simon]

Nope
but I am in the process of making them.

In around 1 years time I should be able to produce them. If not 1 then 2 year time. Cause right now, they're a bit too much for me...1500US each....where I have amel striped het caramel right now and they're yearlings. So hopefully in a year or so I'll have them~~ Wish me luck on those...cause I would definitely need it~!!