Opal hets are starting to hatch!(Pics!)

[BoidKeeper]

Just one head out so far but man am excited! I'll post pics tomorrow once some are actually out of the egg.
Trevor

[AgaR]

cool man congrats!!!!
Cya
Alex

[Simon]

Congrats~~!!

Hope to see some pics soon~!!

[BoidKeeper]

Well they sure are taking their sweet time! Last night at 11pm there was one and now there is still only three.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Clutch_1_hatching_28_06_04-med.jpg
But wait...what colour is that head?
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Clutch_1_surprise_28_06_04-med.jpg
It looks Anery to me. So that means I'll have an anery at least that is het for Opal.
I was expecting all normals. So if that snake is anery that would mean that the sire was het for anery and the dame was also het for anery which must mean that she is amel het for anery and quite possibly snow. I can't wait to see what comes out of my snow het for hypo cross with her!
Thanks for looking,
Trevor

[nickykci]

wow! Congrats!!

[BoidKeeper]

Thanks Nicky. The other clutch, Normals and Hypos are due any time soon. The Amels, Aneries and Ghost won't be out till mid August.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Invictus]

Right on Trevor!!!

[vanderkm]

Congrats on the new ones - hatching is always so exciting when you get suprises (well it is always exciting, surprises are a bonus!) Looking forward to photos of these guys when they are all out.

mary v.

[nicola_boulton]

thats so great! congrats! they look amazing, hopeto see some more pics soon

[BoidKeeper]

Thanks guys. There is none normal out so far and in the rack. I'll wait for more before taking more pics.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Katt]

AWWWWW!!!! How exciting!!! Li'l peeping heads!

[Jeff_Favelle]

MOOOOORRRE pictures!!!!!!


That's cool Trev. That little dude looks anery to me.

What's Opal? Excuse my ignorance of corn morphs. What's the combo that makes it?

Congrats again. :D

[Simon]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
So if that snake is anery that would mean that the sire was het for anery and the dame was also het for anery which must mean that she is amel het for anery and quite possibly snow.

Sorry Trev,
you kind of lost me here..
'she is amel het for anery and quite possibly snow?'
what do you mean there?

That little one looks like an anery to me~~
Congrats on the batch hatching out~
Can't wait to see more pics~!!

Jeff,

Opals are homo amel and lavender.
LOL...the genetics is such a nice game don't you think?

[Jeff_Favelle]

Ok, Simon, ha ha, but what is Lavender? Amel is recessive, what does Lavender involve?

Thanks man.

[BoidKeeper]

I guess what I meant Simon was that if she is amel and het for anery then one of her parents must have been a snow and if I breed her to a snow I'll get amels and snows. Is that right?
I figured that I would just get normals from this pairing. But I forgot that the lavender is het for anery and with aneries in this clutch that means that my amel is het for anery and if I breed her with a snow I'll get a snow. Now I'm repeating myself.lol
Here is the first of what looks like three aneries,
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289AN01_Born_28_06_04_Het_Opal_1.jpg
Cheers,
Trevor

[Jeff_Favelle]

Anerys ROCK! :jawdrop:

But what is Lavender?

[BoidKeeper]

Lavender is also simple receive and is just another type of anery.
Here is the tail of an lavender,
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Allie_and_Lav.jpg
It's breeding my amel that just laid the eggs in this post.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
I guess what I meant Simon was that if she is amel and het for anery then one of her parents must have been a snow and if I breed her to a snow I'll get amels and snows. Is that right?
I figured that I would just get normals from this pairing. But I forgot that the lavender is het for anery and with aneries in this clutch that means that my amel is het for anery and if I breed her with a snow I'll get a snow. Now I'm repeating myself.lol


LOL....now I know what you are talking about
cause you have always been saying 'her' and I didn't know who 'her' was...

So basically from what I got from your post,
The parents of the anery of this clutch were:
Amel het anery x Lav het anery
thus these little anerys are Anery het opal

The parents of the amel het anery were:
Amel x Snow (or something like that cause you can still get amel het anerys from other combinations)
thus getting
amel het anery.

It tooke me like 2 min to figure out what you were saying before..but I think that I have got it now~~~ LOL
So yeah if you bred your amel het anery to a snow you'll get 50% Snow and 50% Amel het anerys~~

Jeff,
Now to get to your part.
Lavenders is also a simpel recessive trait. I don't think that there is any co-dominant traits in corn snakes. Well....at least not ones that have been proven out yet. I have heard that the caramel and the bloodred genes as being co-dominant BUT we all don't really think so. The reason why we say that is because MOST of the time when a snake is het for caramel or butter, you could tell. How? For example, an amel that is het caramel MOSTLY has more yellow coloration on the background. Or should I say...the yellow is more pronounced? The bloodred gene is almost the same. Most het bloodreds still keep the greyish head pattern that bloodreds are born with. The only thing is that they have a checkered belly instead of plain belly were a true bloodred is suppose to look like~~

Did that make any sense at all?
I am getting really tired....sleeping for 3 hours a day for the past few months isn't helping much....

[BoidKeeper]

LOl, I'm tired too! Normally Simon it would take 3 or more replies for me to be understood!
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Oh..
sorry Trev didn't know that you answered Jeff's question before I posted mine...

After seeing Trev's post I remembered something else too.

So basically
Here are some basic genes that are in the little corn world.
- Amel
- Anery a (regular anery)
- Anery b (Charcoal)
- Anery c (Caramel)
- Anery d (Lavender)
- Hypo a (regular hypo)
- Hypo b (sunkissed hypo)
- Hypo c (Lava Hypo)
- Hypo d (Ultra Hypo, which we just proved out this year that it is a separate gene from the other three)

All those are just morphs and all are simple recessive traits.
There are also pattern morphs which are
- motley
- striped
- bloodred

there might be a couple more but as I said before....I am not really thinking stright right now....

To me personally....I am hoping that there would be some amel a, b, c, d genes out...
and I think that there is at least one more hypo gene out there......

LOL

told you...the fun in the corn genetics~~
I just love it~~

[Simon]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
LOl, I'm tired too! Normally Simon it would take 3 or more replies for me to be understood!
Cheers,
Trevor

LOL
well you're definitely a lot better than me..
most of the time people have no clue in what I am saying...AT ALL...lol...
and it would be even funnier case at shows when people ask me about the genetics stuff on the corns and I start telling them...their face goes completely blank..and have no clue in what I am saying....and it looks like as if I am talking in another language that is trying to trick them into buying something that they think looks normal to them....like the snow motley....I tell them that its triple homozygous for amel, anery and motely and they say that why is it so expensive....it looks like a regular snow to me which they can get for less than 100 dollars.....hahahahah
(makes it like that I am trying to sell animals out at higher price in talking gibberish to them....oh well...)

Hey at least I totally got what you were saying in two posts~
so you're getting there~
I am still far away from you~

[BoidKeeper]

So Simon what do you sugest I breed that "hypo" male of mine to so I can prove it out?
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

LOL..
this is going to be hard..
but there are at least 2 hypos that I am sure of you don't have to try.
1) Lava
2) Ultra
These two hypos LOOK completely different from any other hypos. They're like unreal...
the lava hypo makes it look kind of like as if the snake has put wax on and the ultra hypo is like an amel...but with black eyes...
So I am sure that your hypo is not lava or ultra

I'll try breeding it with a regular hypo or a sunkissed first just to see if it has any hypo gene in it.
Now remember if you bred it to a regular hypo and got all normals, it doesn't mean that its not hypo. It could be hypo b (sunkissed) so those hatchlings might be normal double het hypo a and hypo b. Don't know how a double homozygous hypo a and b would look like BUT I ASSUME its going to look like a regular hypo (just like the anery a masking the lavender and caramel genes)

[asphyxia]

WTF are you guys talking about.

Nice clutch Trev, have fun with them

Cheers
Brian

[Simon]

Originally posted by asphyxia
WTF are you guys talking about.


LOL
See...the complete blank in the face and the 'looks' appear~~

re-read the post a couple of times and you should be able to understand what we're talking about

[BoidKeeper]

Brian,
We're talking about how cool *coughs**confusing* corn genes can be.
Here is what I woke up to this morning,
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289Opal_hets_29_06_04_2-med.jpg
They sure are taking their sweet time leaving their eggs. This all started at 11pm on the 27th and there are still 9 left to come out.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Stav.T]

Very nice Trveor, Congrats on the babies!
Stav

[Simon]

Nice~

Trev
there are still 9 left in the eggs?
Have they slit the eggs open or are the eggs still sealed? Cause if they are still sealed I would advice you to help out...carefully slit the eggs open so that air can get in...or else they could end up D.I.E. (Dead in egg)

Hope that they're really just taking their time~~

[BoidKeeper]

They are all open. About 18 hours after the first one piped I piped three and they went and piped them selves anyway.lol
The count is 5 in the egg now. Every few hours I peek in the incubator and there are a few more slithering around so I take em out.
This last time around there was an anery that looks very light, not ghost light but lighter in colour then normal anyway. I'll get a pic tonight. There are 4 aneries so far, not bad odds for 15 eggs and I think there may be one more in an egg yet to come out.
Exciting stuff boy!
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

Well at least you helped in piping them out so that eliminates the chance in having them die in egg.

Can't wait until the whole clutch is out and get some photos going~~

[BoidKeeper]

Speaking of photos Simon. Take a look at that last one I posted. Look at the two snakes on the left, do you notice something about one of them? Look close and start at the top and work your way down. It's most noticiable at about the bottom 3rd.
Cheers,
Trevor

[BoidKeeper]

Here you go Simon. Here are the last two hatchlings, two more Aneries! 6 out of 15 were Aneries.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/289The_last_2_30_06_04_2-med.jpg
Something interesting that I noticed on I think all of them is that they all have an "X" shaped saddle down towards the vent. Kinda cool.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

LOL
yeah I see what you mean.
So they have little X marks on them~
that is kind of neat~~
I wonder if we can selectively breed for those x marks....
So we have zig zags...now start breeding for X marks~

Man....6/15 where anerys...
this year is really going crazy with anerys.....

Awesome!!

[BoidKeeper]

X-Corns. Maybe they'll be mutants with crazy powers!
The next clutch due to hatch is at day 58 now. That one will be nice, hypos and normals all het for motley.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Simon]

LOL
so you're now trying to create mutant corns~

I hope that none of them will have a lazer beam sight....or else its going to be big trouble for you~!!

Hope to see your next clutch of fun soon~!!!