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Stav.T
06-22-04, 01:20 PM
Here we are a new bloodline!... One of the WC projects i'm working with and that i'm the most proud off! A first for me.

F1 Pure WC CentralAmSalmonHypo X a friend's nice WC NormalCentralAm.
I've been keeping some WC salmon centrals selected from batches of wc or farm raised that get into Canada in Montreal and Toronto. There's some every year that make it here. They are almost always missed by public when they hit the stores ( when they dont die at wholesaler's wearhouses ) . They are sometimes the ugliest centrals in the batches when they come in.

I have a small WC central Salmon that I've managed to rescue ( was in really poor condition when i got him) that will be breeding next season with the mother of those. Hopefully the result will be super salmons.

I dont really know where i'm gonna go with that project , maybe i'll put some pastel colombian bci from my bloodlines into the line like Rich Ihle did with his first line. One thing is already sure and clear in my head... I'll make some pure line breedings and second, hope of supersalmons soon.

A few friends asked me ( before they were born ) to sell them some babies. I wasent sure then if I was gonna sell any.... Now I'm convinced that i'm gonna keep all of them at least for a year, even if some breeders sell those for alot in the states. There's some that look like "ghostish" type 2 anery's so i'm gonna try to breed them together and see what comes out of them. Sorry guys:(

Pics...

The female after giving birth...16 babies no slugs...
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/634BCISalmonWCCentralAmCageLitterStav_T.jpg

The female after I took her out of the cage....
See how dark she is and how its easy to overlook in a batch of wildcuts. She came in as a wc baby, darker than usual but she had lots of nice orange colour. A friend of mine in Toronto bought her from a wholesaler and sold her to me as a special "normal" central adult that had an unusual amount or orange pigmentation when she was a baby. In my mind it was clear that she was a salmon as there was almost no black around the saddles of the tail except for the portion after the cloaca. The sadles of the tale are very dark but without black around them or almost.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/634BCICentralAmWCSalmon.jpg

The litter.....
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/634BCICentralAmWCSalmonLitter22-06-04Stav_T.jpg

A closer pic of a baby...
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/634BCICentralAmF1SalmonBaby22-06-04.jpg

Another baby....
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/634BCICentralAmF1Salmon22-06-04Stav_T.jpg

I'll post some more pics when they shed. Sorry for the long post I'm just a bit excited;)

Stav
David Kwok
06-22-04, 01:23 PM
Very nice! quite an accomplishment, congrats!

Me want! :P

Dave
ChristinaM
06-22-04, 01:32 PM
Excellent work. You should be quite proud. That is a kick a $$ litter. Congrats.
AgaR
06-22-04, 01:37 PM
WOW Stav!!!
Congrats man! I can't wait to see them in real!!!!
Ciao
alex
Linds
06-22-04, 02:56 PM
Wow... she really is a unique looking snake! I would've never believed her to be a hypo from the pic. Congrats on the litter!
MouseKilla
06-22-04, 09:04 PM
I can't understand for the life of me how that nearly black snake could possibly be hypo, but who can argue with the results?

I sure would have missed that but admittedly I don't know much about centrals, other than that they are dark. lol!

Here's a bit of a bonehead newb question, what is the difference between hypos and salmons?

To me, salmons seem to exibit what I understand as hypomelanism, a reduction of black pigmentation, other than that I don't get it. I haven't seen a whole lot of either variety personally, let alone side by side for comparison, so that might be the problem.

I hope I find the difference easier to understand than when I asked about pastels, I still don't quite follow that...lol!
Simon
06-22-04, 09:14 PM
Good job bro~~

You did a fine job!!!

I see some real nice looking babies in that batch~~!!

Lovely just lovely!!
~Suntiger~
06-22-04, 09:35 PM
Awesome!! Congrats!! :D
Jeff_Favelle
06-22-04, 11:12 PM
OMG, that's awesome man!!! :jawdrop:
BigDan
06-22-04, 11:32 PM
Congrats Stav they look awesome.

There will be plenty more of the proven Nicaraguan morphs in the years too come.

Crazy colored mini boas you have to love it.

Dan
Beardonicus
06-23-04, 09:22 AM
I'm confused.....are these hybrids? Why would you want to cross Columbians (which is what Salmons are) with Central Americans? The term "salmon" is merely a trade term coined by Rich Isle....salmon and hypo are the same thing in reality.
Stav.T
06-23-04, 03:12 PM
Thanks All we'll see what second generation will look like in a cpl of years.;)

Mousekilla...
I hope I find the difference easier to understand than when I asked about pastels, I still don't quite follow that...lol!

lol My friend, lets just not get into that type of discution for a second time;)

Beardonicus...
I'm confused.....are these hybrids? Why would you want to cross Columbians (which is what Salmons are) with Central Americans? The term "salmon" is merely a trade term coined by Rich Isle....salmon and hypo are the same thing in reality.

I must say i'm confused with your question to:confused:
These guy's are centralXcentral.

If I understood your text correctly... you say that the F1 hypos that Rich Ihle first produced are Colombian X Colombian? If its what you mean well its not the case. It was a hypo female Central that is probably from Panama that bred with A pale Colombian. That breeding gave the F1 salmons hypos that we all know about. To be brief... from there they were bred again and again, they became nicer and nicer and also they have been mixed with other colourations and morphs....

The thing I was saying about mixing those with my pastel colombians (Thats what probably confused you .. ) is that i'll make the same as other breeders with original lines and see if they get any better than these f1's i got. I'll keep Pure Centrals and crosses with Colombians....Understand?

Stav
MouseKilla
06-23-04, 04:54 PM
Well that clears it all up. lol!

Nice snakes though, even if you can't explain what they are exactly. Did I ask a harder question than I thought I did or am I just asking the wrong guy?
Stockwell
06-23-04, 05:17 PM
Stav,once again, nice job!!.... you're really cleaning up this year
mark129er
06-25-04, 02:22 AM
Stav, I'm looking to get a Central Amer male in the next while, do you have any avail, or will you be making some avail?

Thanks, MD
PS great looking babies!!!
Stav.T
06-25-04, 06:57 AM
Roy, thanks again. You already have an awsome season yourself can't wait to see all those killer sands come out;)

Mark129er thanks;) I wont sell any of these guy's at least for a year (for now ) they will all be part of that project it looks like there is two type 2 anery in the batch and i wanna do more breedings with all of them to see if there is some other genetics involved. I'll post pics when they shed.

Mousekilla...
Nice snakes though, even if you can't explain what they are exactly. Did I ask a harder question than I thought I did or am I just asking the wrong guy?

Hey man cheer up:D What can I say more than hypo??? If you make a search on google with the words " salmon or hypo " you will get about ...tons of sites that will answer your questions and it will save me dozens of hours and endless posts explaining this to you with my crappy english.......do a search with "pastel" it will help you clear this one to;)

Cheers,
Stav
MouseKilla
06-25-04, 07:50 PM
Stav,

I apologize for the confusion, your english is much better than some who call it their first language and good enough that I didn't realize it wasn't yours. Genetics can be tricky stuff in any language and personally, after 9 years of french immersion, I'd be lucky to successfully tell you what colour any of my snakes are. lol!

I've done the searches already and they come up with breeder sites, none of which seem to contain DEFINITIONS. They have some descriptions (Rich Ihle's site comes to mind) but no distinction between salmon and hypo. At the same time they don't say that they are the same thing either. Very confusing for someone trying to learn this stuff.
mark129er
06-26-04, 02:18 AM
Stav, That would actually work out quite well for me if you were to part with some in a year or so. My girl is still too young to breed.
MarcB
06-26-04, 10:50 AM
Way to go Stav! Your patience with this project paid off big time.

I am in no way qualified in BCI genetics, reading other posters here about the difference between a Hypo and Salmon and please do correct me if I'm wrong ;

Isn't a Hypo simple recessive and a Salmon Co-dominant, if so, there is a world of difference between both?

I big congrats is in order...

By the way, your English as a second language is much better then some as their first language.

Does anyone even know you speak seven languages?

Take care bud..
corrado
07-11-04, 10:45 AM
hey congrats Staver good litters and they are amazing.