First leo hatchling...morph?

[ChristinaM]

Mom is normal het albino.
http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v16/ChristinaM/Leopard%20Gecko/sahara2.jpg

Dad is a tremper albino.
http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v16/ChristinaM/Leopard%20Gecko/tremale007.jpg

Baby ( I'm thinking is an albino, but could be wrong LOL )

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v111/KayleighM/Sahara/saharababy2.jpg

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v111/KayleighM/Sahara/saharababy.jpg

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v111/KayleighM/Sahara/saharababy3.jpg

what do you think she is?
Thanks

[CanadianJackson]

Looks like a normal to me

[little_dragon_]

looks like an albino

[nicola_boulton]

she is an albino, v.pretty at that! congrats! shes v.cute

[Repti]

looks like an albino to me !! Congrats btw :D

[Ixidor]

I thought albinos didn't have any black pigment? (btw im looking at the dad)

[Tim and Julie B]

The dad has only brown pigments, no black:D

As far as what morph the baby is-it's an albino, and should be quite the looker as an adult! Congrats:D

Julie

[Ixidor]

my comp looks like really dark black huh thatsweird

[klein]

i will have to agree with everyone that it is an albino, my new albino looks the exact same

[Tim and Julie B]

Ixidor, maybe you're looking at the first pic? If so, that's the mom and she is only het for albino. Other than that, maybe your comp is color scewed:D Who knows with comps eh? lol

Julie

[BigDan]

Tremper albino is what you have there that is what happens when they are incubated at lower temps.

Let me guess you incubated at 80 - 82??

Still a nice looking leo.

Dan

[Ixidor]

ahhhh i was looking at the mom lol

[ChristinaM]

Originally posted by BigDan
Tremper albino is what you have there that is what happens when they are incubated at lower temps.

Let me guess you incubated at 80 - 82??

Still a nice looking leo.

Dan

Hi Dan, I'm curious as to why you say that? You are indeed right, I did incubate in that temp range.

I wasn't aware that the albino gene's come out more at the lower temp range ( that's what I'm understanding from your comment ).

I am definately interested in hearing more if you don't mind.

Thanks

[BAFlathead]

if you go to Tremper's site, he states that he incubates at 90 for the entire incubation because at higher temps the black pigments are less likely to be present. there is an entire chapter in the "leopard gecko manual" devoted to color morphs and incubation temp. i just bought the book, and its a great read.

[ChristinaM]

thanks :) I will check out the site :)

[BigDan]

Hey Christina

Its not that it makes you more able to produce albinos but if you incubate at lower temps your Tremper albinos will be darker incubate at higher temps and they will look much brighter with alot less dark coloration. Whether or not it is an albino is determined by the genes carried by the parents and luck if you are dealing with a het to an albino breeding.

This amount of dark pigmentation based on incubation temp has something to do with the Tremper Albino gene at least that is where I find it is most noticeable.


I have tried doing the same thing with many other morphs and have noticed a "slightly" brighter hatchlings at higher incubation temps. But nothing like what happens with the Tremper Albino strain.

A number of years ago when the first Tremper albinos were being bred in Canada everyone breeding them was incubating for female. Which many breeders do to keep the number of males of a new morph scarce hence keeping the price higher for a year or two. Most were being incuabted at 80.

What everyone noticed was that all the hatchling Trempers were hatching out a chocolate color (much like yours) and looked nothing like the original parents. What we did not realize at that time was that the coloration of the Tremper Albino strain was so greatly influenced by incubation temp. Coloration/genetics of the adults also plays a factor but incubation temp is what really makes a bright or dull Tremper.

I also breed the Rainwater strain and have produced 100's of them over the last 4 years. The Rainwater strain seems totally different and whether you incubate at 80 or 88 you still produce brightly colored albino hatchlings.

Dan

[ChristinaM]

hmmmm, very interesting Dan...thank you for taking the time to explain :) I will definately try my own little experiment, as I would love to see that fo r myself.

[Bartman]

If you do high temps though, wont you get all males and aggressive females possibly? Is their anyway to get dark females...i actually have both..i very bright male and a female that looks exactly like christina's

[Matt.B]

There is a method of incubation were you incubate for females for one month this gives them time to develop the female genitalia then you increase the temps to a male temp and when it comes out it is a bright female.
Matt

[ChristinaM]

I will post some updated pics of the dad. He looked quite dark as a wee one, now he is very light compared to before.

Here's a compare pic of a normal hatchling and the above albino:)

http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v111/KayleighM/babies/gkobbs.jpg

Basically the colouring comments are quite informative, but generally I will be incubating both at lower and higher temps.

I also wonder, generally in nature, the males of the species have more colour....so I wonder if that plays a part in this topic as well ( higher temps = male....male= more intense colouring ) dunno.

[Matt.B]

The leo on the right looks like a snow to me. It is very cool.
Matt

[damzookeeper]

Originally posted by Matt.B
The leo on the right looks like a snow to me. It is very cool.
Matt

Matt, I have normal leos hatch out like that every year, as they age they develope more color. Usually by 4 months they have their color.

[Matt.B]

ok guess i was wrong ;P
Matt

[DonMeyer]

The higher the temps the brighter the leo:)