False Wayer Cobras

[anacondaman]

NEED TOO KNOW MORE!!!....CARE! TEMPERMENT! AVAILABILITY! PRICE! :)

thnx in advance

adam

[SCReptiles]

Talk to Mitch at Diamond Reptile Breeders. I know he was tagged by one. He can give you the details. Most people say they are not fatal, but the bite is hell on your kidneys. Mitch told me his hurt for about a month after the bite. Also bear in mind, a great herpetologist once wrote that boomers weren’t deadly and died from a boomer envenomation not long after his book was published. One never knows just how their body will react to certain venoms. Do not take any chances with these guys. Bill Albright at www.AHPexotics.com had some for sell last time I spoke to him. May want to contact him if you are ready to buy. Good luck!

[edh]

Hello,

I happen to own 1.1 Hydrodynastes gigas. Which make great pets. They are inquisitive, bold and a complete eating machine (no problems there). But they do grow to big sizes, mine are now 1,5m and still not sexual mature. I am told that they should be about 2m before they are ready for reproducing.

There temperament can be quite overwelming: especally during feeding time: they'll bite anything that mooves. But I do not find them to be agressive and they have never tried to bite me in defense or anything.

Handling is easy: I find them to be "afraid" of heights. They usually cling to the snakehooks as were there life depending on it. Tailing is also no problem.

I regard them as a "full" venomous species. I won't risk a bite (if I can help it) , they have large rear fangs and the result of the venom is comparable with that of a Western diamondback (Crotalus atrox) I am tolld that they are responsible for at least one lethal bite on a human. Unfortunately I have never been able to verify this incident.

So if anyone has anymore info, I would like to know all about it!

I know that they are quite rare in here Holland (The Old-World).

Hope this helps,

Cheers, Erik

[anacondaman]

Thank you both...
i want one so bad......ive been practising snake hook tactics on a snappy amazon .....i know it probably doesnt compare but i gotta start somewhere..... first one i see available..im gonna buy
thnx again
adam

[psilocybe]

Originally posted by edh
Hello,

I happen to own 1.1 Hydrodynastes gigas. Which make great pets. They are inquisitive, bold and a complete eating machine (no problems there). But they do grow to big sizes, mine are now 1,5m and still not sexual mature. I am told that they should be about 2m before they are ready for reproducing.

There temperament can be quite overwelming: especally during feeding time: they'll bite anything that mooves. But I do not find them to be agressive and they have never tried to bite me in defense or anything.

Handling is easy: I find them to be "afraid" of heights. They usually cling to the snakehooks as were there life depending on it. Tailing is also no problem.

I regard them as a "full" venomous species. I won't risk a bite (if I can help it) , they have large rear fangs and the result of the venom is comparable with that of a Western diamondback (Crotalus atrox) I am tolld that they are responsible for at least one lethal bite on a human. Unfortunately I have never been able to verify this incident.

So if anyone has anymore info, I would like to know all about it!

I know that they are quite rare in here Holland (The Old-World).

Hope this helps,

Cheers, Erik

As far as the whole "venom comparable to C. atrox" thing, I don't know about that...:) At least, i'd have to politely disagree. I've never been bitten by a FWC, but I would guess that if necrosis were present, it would be pretty minimal, at least compared to an atrox bite. Systemic effects, as mentioned, can vary and may be serious, though unlikely to be life-threatening.

AP

[anacondaman]

wat do these guys usually go for....im thinkin about 200 - 300 $ each??

thnx
adam

[psilocybe]

there's on on **************'s classifieds right now for $100, think it might be a neonate though...

AP

[Nightflight99]

http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/download/2710/dscn0807.jpg

Hydrodynastes gigas are fascinating snakes to work with. They are active, alert, hardy and display a number of interesting behavioral characteristics. The potency of their venom has in fact been compared to that of Crotalus atrox; however, the venom yield is obviously substantially lower and the venom delivery system significantly less efficient.

Severe envenomations in humans are rare, but do occasionally occur. Numerous factors, such as the size of the specimen, bite site, chew time, body mass of the victim, relative sensitivity of the victim to the venom, etc. play an important role in the outcome of a given case of envenomation.

In a case reported by Manning et al (1999), a 18-yr old male was bitten on the wrist by an H.gigas. The snake remained attached for approximately 1.5 minutes and caused a minor amount of swelling, for which he took diphenhydramine twice within three hours. The victim reported receiving previous bites that were asymptomatic. Approximately 9 hours after the bite, he experienced 3 brief episodes of muscle paralysis causing him to fall, unable to move or speak. At the time of paramedic arrival, the swelling progressed from the fingertips to the elbow with numbness but no pain. On arrival to the ED, the victim was suffering from tachycardia (abnormally rapid heart rate), which resolved within 2 hours. He was observed overnight in hospital, and coagulation lab results remained normal. The patient later reported that swelling persisted for 5 days, but muscle pain and weakness persisted for 2 months.


I have worked with Hydrodynastes gigas for years, and the offspring usually hatches in June-August. US Market price for hatchlings is approximately $100-125 each.

Hope this helps.

~TE

[psilocybe]

here's the link for it
http://market.**************/detail.php?cat=40&de=211032

[edh]

Originally posted by psilocybe
As far as the whole "venom comparable to C. atrox" thing, I don't know about that...:) At least, i'd have to politely disagree. I've never been bitten by a FWC, but I would guess that if necrosis were present, it would be pretty minimal, at least compared to an atrox bite. Systemic effects, as mentioned, can vary and may be serious, though unlikely to be life-threatening.

AP

Hello,

I apologise for my poor English. I am sorry for the bad phrase I used in my previous post! I will try to explain myself.

With the effect off venom compared to C. atrox I meant that I am tolld that the LD-50 in mice is virtually the same. The 2 venoms themselves cannot be compared as they consist of totally different enzymic components. And off course the maximum venom yield of the FWC is much less than that off a C atrox, the way FWV administer their venom is also offcourse much less effective. So the damage done by a C atrox is obviously much greater.

Also I would like to refer to the volume 2, page 719 off "The Venomous Reptiles off the Western Hemisphere" where it is said that the toxicities off H. gigas in mice is higher than in some species off Bothrops and Crotalus. The picture on page 720 shows increased swelling in the hand off a zoo keeper bitten by a FWC.

That is why I consider the species as a "full" venomous one.

Cheers,

Erik

:)

[psilocybe]

okay, they won't let me say it, here's a fun way to find out:
it's the common name for the lampropeltis genus.com

Also, try snakemuseum.com they sometimes have some

[psilocybe]

Thomas and Erik,

Thanks for the clarification, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong :) I was unaware of that the comparison had been made. Personally, I've never been bitten by H.gigas (or C. atrox for that matter) so i wouldn't know what it feels like (nor do i want to :)) I agree though that the lower venom yield and ineffective delivery system would account for the major differences in gigas and atrox envenomations.

AP

[edh]

Thomas and Erik,

Thanks for the clarification, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong I was unaware of that the comparison had been made. Personally, I've never been bitten by H.gigas (or C. atrox for that matter) so i wouldn't know what it feels like (nor do i want to ) I agree though that the lower venom yield and ineffective delivery system would account for the major differences in gigas and atrox envenomations.

AP


AP,

I didn't think you were wrong when you stated that an actual C atrox bite is much more severe than the bite of a FWC. So no need admitting you are wrong! :D

But clinical speeking there is much more to FWC then meets the eye.

For the record: I have not yet been bitten by FWC (or any other venomous snake) and I would really want to keep it that way!

Cheers,

Erik

[anacondaman]

thnx for the info guys....this is my new project now...so all the info the better...im determined to own these guys
thnx
adam

[anacondaman]

if anyone knows of anyone who can ship to CANADA..id greatly appreciate it
thnx
adam

[JD@reptiles]

Unfortunetly there are very few in canada. i know of a few out west owned by Pat Dring (excuse spelling). i haven't heard good things about him. unfortunetly for people who want to keep them here they aren't easy to get because they are CITES 2. i am looking into getting some, i know of one guy that will ship them with proper permits. so if you want to split an order on them let me know. still want vine snakes adam?

Jordan

[anacondaman]

man..i havent herd from you in awhile jordon......i went on vacation and i havent seen u since......about the FWC's....i have the cash... email me roughviper666@html or phone me man 905 822 6926
ill def share the shipping costs

thnx
adam

[anacondaman]

and i dropped the vine idea...as interesting as they are..ive been focusing on south american aquatic and semi aquatic species...still would love to see yours:)

adam

[JD@reptiles]

ah, thats why i never heard from ya. i tried calling so i will try agian later. i will tell you the cost for everything.

[Matt]

Originally posted by JD@reptiles
i know of a few out west owned by Pat Dring (excuse spelling). i haven't heard good things about him.
Jordan

just to throw my 2 cents in....i order from Pat twice and everything was great, animals were awesome!

[YummyCdnMale]

Matt what did you order from him the 2 times?