rear fanged snakes

[J3000]

Hello there I am thinking about getting into rear fanged snakes to start adding to my collection please give me somee clue what would be the best to start with and what would I need for that species and were can I get them

[Gary O]

OK I know some of the guys and gals here will say I am bias. But I love the Mangrove. now they can be nasty at times and some will say a FWC(False Water Cobra) is the way to go.

But color and just pure beauty go to the Mangrove IMO.

They need more of an arboreal cage and need a few hides. Fresh imports can be tricky to get eating. But there are a few places that offer CBB.

There strike rang is large and need to be watched like a fulll hot even though their bite is not as bad as the Boomers and front fanged snakes.

Where to get them. I have one coming from a guy here real soon. But I am not sure who breeds these wonderful animals. I have been looking for a few good animals for a very long time. I am very picky though lol.

As for the FWC....There are tons of people dealing in them.

[Mustangrde1]

Mangroves, Parrotsnakes, Oxybellas <sp> are good to start with stick clear of Boomslangs and Savannah Twigs till you gain more experiance those two can kill you.

[bubba]

FWC are easy to care for. Like other colubrids but may need to be kept a bit warmer. Mine does't use his water bowl much which i think is odd but???They eat well and have a very aggressive feeding response. Mine eats, fish, pieces of fish, mice, rats and even bird eggs. I get the impression he would eat just about anything. For his size 6ft+ he will not eat prey that a snake his size might normally eat. A med. rat is about tops. Anything larger he tries to eat but doesn't succeed. They may not all be this way. It could just be an individual quirk. Mine still spreads once and a while. Kool snakes.

[Gary O]

LOL The feeding responce of the FWC is crazy. They are like mad little snakes that have never ate before.

[bubba]

My FWC will come flying out of his hide box as soon as I walk into the snake room and starts crawling up and down the front of the glass cage. If he doesn't get fed for a couple a days he"ll literally tear up the inside of his cage and keeps the ole lady up at night thumping and crashing around. Luckily I work nights.

[Gary O]

lol sounds like you have your guy spoiled if that can happen.

[Nightflight99]

please give me somee clue what would be the best to start with and what would I need for that species and were can I get them

It really depends on what you like. There are many different species of rear-fanged colubrids that are suitable for the purpose, so you may want to be a bit more specific regarding what taxa you generally have an interest in.

If you like terrestrial species, then Hydrodynastes gigas would be recommendable, assuming that you already have appropriate experience in keeping snakes. They are easy to keep and commonly available, but they do reach rather phenomenal sizes at times. Their bite isn't generally considered to be of significant danger to humans, but you certainly want to avoid taking hits from adult specimens, to say the least. Bites with significant symptomatic have been reported, so the potential for a serious bite does exist.

If you prefer arboreal species, then something along the lines of Gonyosoma oxycephalum or Oxybelis may be of interest. Ahaetulla tend to be a bit more difficult to keep, and captive-bred Boiga dendrophila are rarely available in the US. Wild-caught B.dendrophila can be quite difficult to acclimate, and the mortality rate of imported specimens is astronomical.

I have recommended Thrasops jacksonii to individuals who were in awe with Dispholidus typus before, but even the former should be handled with care, as the verdict on its danger potential is not quite out just yet. If you acquire Thrasops, you should probably already have significant experience with arboreal rear-fanged species.

Hope this helps.

~TE

[Dr. Bryan Fry]

>I have recommended Thrasops jacksonii to individuals who were in awe with Dispholidus typus before, but even the former should be handled with care, as the verdict on its danger potential is not quite out just yet. If you acquire Thrasops, you should probably already have significant experience with arboreal rear-fanged species.


We've started playing with these and the mouse kill times are phenomenal. Truly scary. They bleed profusely out of the mouth and nostrils and die in less than two minutes. Very boomslang like indeed.

Cheers
B

[J3000]

thanks for your help here the thing I would like animals that would get me ready for other hot herps animals that if I make a mistake and get bite I don't have to worry about losing my life I do own a conrad cobra but and please don't judge me I didn't have a coice he was discovered in a drug bust in Flint Michigan and he is also a vemoinoid You can see the hack jod along the side of his head I will never purchase one. If I didn't pick it up they were going to shoot it. And come high or hell water I would put my own life first in front of any herp then to let it be destroyed.

[J3000]

also I was wondering is there any breeders here in Michigan or surrinding states so I could go and pick up my animal then have it ship to me. I had a very bad experience with a ship herp before and also any other information on them too..housing..feeding..handleing.. I like to reaserch for a couple of weeks before I purchase my animal

[Gary O]

I believe Don Hamper deals in FWC if that is the way you want to go. He is around the Columbus Ohio area................

[psilocybe]

Personally, the mangrove would be my pick for best non-lethal rearfanged snake...as stated, CBB mangs are hard to find, i found mine after many months of searching, and I've heard some horror stories about imports. They can be very defensive as well, although this is usually less apparent in CB specimens...my female is incredibly docile compared to a "typical mangrove". They are very quick and have no problem flying up a hook, and are not the easiest snakes to learn tailing techniques on. A bite would best be avoidable as I'm sure it hurts like a mother******, but shouldn't be of any serious medical concern. I know a lot of people like Hydronastes gigas, and that's fine, but personally for rearfangs I like the Boiga sp. Just my .02 :)

AP

[jtpRUGGER]

I'm gonna go with Bryan on the jacksoni...I've seen two regurges from mine, and they were black. I mean very black. This was after about 20 minutes. The mice die very quickly. In addition to my skepticism about them not being very hot, I'd like to add something about handling them. They are extremely fast, agile, snakes that can be EXTREMELY aggressive at times. For rearfangs, I would suggest FWC's.

[J3000]

Thank you all I think I will start with the fake water cobras to start off with I really do appreciate your time for helping me

[psilocybe]

Originally posted by J3000
Thank you all I think I will start with the fake water cobras to start off with I really do appreciate your time for helping me

It's the FALSE water cobra, not fake :)

[JD@reptiles]

wanna-be water cobras

[Dr. Bryan Fry]

Its actually a remarkably stupid name since they are a South American animal yet the name gives the impression they are imitating an animal that in fact occurs in Africa! Brasilian smooth snake is another common name for them that is more appropriate.

Cheers
B

[sapphire_moon]

how come no one said anything about w.hognoses, small, easy to handle, rarely aggressive (though I'm finding mine wants to "Kill" me as he is in shed right now and really defensive). Though I think that it is debated right now as to whether they are truely venomous, some say they are, some say they aren't, I say why take the chance, handle them correctly.
I think they are truely a great begginers rear fanged snake. But i am probably biased on it.