Corn eggs, what could they be?

[crocsnhots]

Ok so I found an unexpected clutch of eggs today, about 15 or so (can't reliably count as they're all stuck together). As far as I know they are from charcoal X snow, what could they hatch out as? (snow = female, charcoal = male) I don't know the genetics of the charcoal but I'm hoping he's het for albino. So... What could I get if they successfully hatch? Anybody? :) :D

Also, how long should I wait til I try feeding her? She was thin before laying eggs, which is why I didn't breed her, now she's even worse, she fed almost a week ago and I'd like to continue fattening her up asap. :)

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100% wild-type (phenotypically). Genotypically they would be heterozygous for type 'A' anerythrism, type 'B' anerythrism (charcoal) and amelanism.
You can resume her normal feeding schedule.
Ryan

[Auskan]

Just curious - how do you unexpectedly get a clutch of eggs? If snakes are all kept separately, wouldn't you know when and who a snake was bred to?

[crocsnhots]

Auskan,
Well I was told she was infrequently kept with the male charcoal before I got her, but the previous owner didn't report any breeding behavior. She fed consistently and showed no signs of being gravid when I bought her, she has been housed alone since coming into my collection though. So when I found a clutch of eggs today, I was completely shocked. :)

RMBolton,
Thanks for your response, if the male is het for amel then I'll get amels and normals all het for amel (normals), charcoal, and anery right?
But either way wouldn't this would that make them 100% het for blizzard and snow?
The snow looks like what I have seen labeled as 'pink snows'. Just tryin to get this all figured out. :)

Thanks~ :D o>

[Auskan]

Ahh, I see. In the meantime I had read your other post where you mentioned that you bought her as an adult a few months ago, so I figured out how this happened. Kind of exciting I guess, once you get over the shock! I'll look forward to hearing how they hatch and what you get from the cluth.

[Simon]

snow x charcoal would end up with
Normal het charcoal (anery b), anery a and amels.

If the charcoal is actually het for amel
then you'll get a 50% chance in amels het for anery a and anery b
and 50% normals het for anery a, anery b and amel

Hope this helped~

Are you sure that the eggs are fertile?
Cause they could lay slugs out without breeding.

Anyway
congrats on the eggs~~

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Originally posted by crocsnhots
RMBolton,
Thanks for your response, if the male is het for amel then I'll get amels and normals all het for amel (normals), charcoal, and anery right?
But either way wouldn't this would that make them 100% het for blizzard and snow?
The snow looks like what I have seen labeled as 'pink snows'. Just tryin to get this all figured out. :)

Thanks~ :D o>

I have always despised referring to animals as "het for snow" or "het for blizzard." It is always best, in my opinion, to state all heterozygous traits instead of grouping (that is, snow as amel and anery - in terms of hets). The problem arises when someone tries to breed two animals that were sold as "het snow." Most people erroneously expect the offspring to be 1/4 snow because when animals are sold with this moniker beginners don't realize that snow is actually two recessive traits. In actuality, the offspring would consist of 1/16 snow. However, I realize it's easier to say "het for snow" instead of "het for amel and anery." Just a personal issue.....

If I were to group the heterozygous traits into their respective monikers, a pairing of Charcoal x Snow would yield 100% het for blizzard and anery (at the same time you could also say het for charcoal and snow), and if the Charcoal is het for amel then the pairing would yield 1/2 amel het for anery and charcoal (anery b) and 1/2 het for blizzard and anery (as Simon has also stated).
Confusing eh?:dumb: Best to just list all heterozygous traits, IMHO.
Ryan

[vanderkm]

The other thing to be aware of is that many anery A corns are referred to as charcoals when people are not aware of the distinction between the two types of Anery. They are usually quite different in coloration and in the amount of yellow present, but can be very hard to tell apart in some cases.

If the male is an anery A rather than anery B (charcoal) you will get all anery A progeny and they will be het for amel. If the male is anery A, het amel you will get anery and snows.

We bought a female corn last year that suprised us with a clutch of eggs - best of luck with yours.

mary v.

[crocsnhots]

Simon,
I'm pretty sure the eggs are fertile as when I hold a mini flashlight to them I can see little red veins in almost all of them. Isn't that how you tell? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere is how I got the idea.

All, thanks for explaining the genetics, I had an idea of what they might turn out as but wanted to make sure as I was getting different answers from some friends. He was purchased as an anery B, and if he is then I'm happy that I'll get some snakes that could produce blizzards when mature. But on the other hand if he is an anery A then I'll get anery As and be able to produce snows later on. If he's het for amel then I'll get amels too and that makes it even more fun...

Questions...

This means though that the anery A and anery B genes are incompatable right? Like if you bred an anery A to an anery B, you'd get all normal offsping but they'd be het for both traits?

If that's the case, then if the offspring were bred and they were both het snow and blizzard, could you get both snows and blizzards in one clutch or would one anery gene be dominant over the other?

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Originally posted by crocsnhots

This means though that the anery A and anery B genes are incompatable right? Like if you bred an anery A to an anery B, you'd get all normal offsping but they'd be het for both traits?

If that's the case, then if the offspring were bred and they were both het snow and blizzard, could you get both snows and blizzards in one clutch or would one anery gene be dominant over the other?

Correct. Type A anerythristic and Type B anerythristic are independent recessive genes. Representatives of each trait, when bred together, will yield 100% hets for both traits.
For your second question, which I assume is independent from your first question as the hets from that pairing do not have the gene for amelanism, a pairing of 100% hets for anery-b, anery-a and amelanism would yield normals, charcoals, anerys, amels, anery/charcoals, blizzards, snows, and blizzard/anerys (as well as a multitude of hets).
Cheers,
Ryan

[crocsnhots]

Thanks for your response.

Originally posted by RMBolton
For your second question, which I assume is independent from your first question as the hets from that pairing do not have the gene for amelanism

What do you mean? Won't they be 100% het for amel because of the snow? Even if the anery B doesn't have amel in him? :confused:

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You first asked about an Anery-a bred to an Anery-b, and then went on to say "If that's the case, then if the offsrping were bred...." and posed your second question. I was just stating that there is no amelanism gene in your hypothetical pairing (anery-a X anery-b)....
It's just that you segued into the next question with the subject offspring being the 100% het for anery-a and anery-b. You were combining your hypothetical question and your actual situation, just confusing to read is all. I think I am confused now, LOL.
Anyway, yes, in your situation, the amelanistic gene is there.
Ryan

[crocsnhots]

Whoopsie, I reread it and I see where I messed up. :rolleyes: LoL thanks for all your responses. :)