female panther

[choriona]

i took my panther in for a visit to the vet clinic yesterday, and for fun, we x-rayed her. To my surprise (well, not so much if you remember my post a few weeks back) she has a few eggs in her. I am excited for her first lay, but also curious.......

For those of you with female panthers, how many have had one for years that never laid eggs?

My panther shows no signs of being gravid, no digging interests and her appetite is the same as always. She is just over a year old now.

Does anyone think she may need stimulus of seeing a male to initiate the breeding cycle/hormones in her? I was just thinking that for an animal that spends its life in camoflauge, it may be advantagious not to waste a reproductive oppertunity until a mate has been found.... Any comments?

[Collide]

LOL well your lucky your female has eggs at all lol, my girl is 3 1/2 and no signs of eggs, This female was exposed to the male and well she is violent and unbeleavably unresponcive to him,

I do think that the stimulis of a male will help, Iv heard people who have had females who started as late a 2 years. But that is not the norm. I have had no luck at all in breeding panthers and its not like i have a long history with them. All i keep being told is to keep trying with mine and mabey one day but at this point i firmly beleave she will never lay a egg.

Just some thoughs,
Brandy

[panther_dude]

well i dont know you guys must not be doing something right.
panther chameleons are of the most sexually active chameleons out there. There have been reports of people keeping them housed together most of the summer with numerouse egg layings. You might try and uping your vitamin and calcium intake. Without the calcium present your cham will not be able to develope the eggs.

[Trace]

And, I, sometimes sit and wonder......

[dank7oo]

You took the words right out of my mouth :(

[Chris_Anderson]

Originally posted by panther_dude
well i dont know you guys must not be doing something right.
panther chameleons are of the most sexually active chameleons out there. There have been reports of people keeping them housed together most of the summer with numerouse egg layings. You might try and uping your vitamin and calcium intake. Without the calcium present your cham will not be able to develope the eggs.

The recipe for disaster, "Of the hundreds of things that could cause a ______, I'm going to blindly diagnose it as ______ and recommend doing _____." Bad news man, hypervitaminosis (over supplementation) is just as bad, possibly worse than hypovitaminosis (under supplementation). Its not wise, and rather irresponsible, to recommend treatment like this without even asking about the supplementation regime first.

Chris

[choriona]

To address this issue of supplementing, panther dude has a valid point. Increased ammounts of calcium and D3 do help to enforce egg producdion - and it is the first thing a vet would recommend. That is if they were low to begin with, and the cause of the problem. But yes, it would be a good idea to find out what my feeding regime was first.
I give her crix twice a week, about 20-30 at a time. They are the size where they haven't yet developed the ability to chirp. I dust them each time, and what she dosen't eat, the dust rubbs off and she eats them at a later time. This is how I vary her intake. She never eats more than 6 crix at one sitting. She gets misted at least 4 times a day and a dripper is put on every day. She drinks from it all the time.
I don't have her weight (I should have done it when I was at the clinic) but I'll assume she is a fairly good size and she is just over a year of age.

[choriona]

Oh, and does anyone live near me with a male? Just to test her reaction. I am not interested in breeding at this time.

[DragnDrop]

It's possible to regulate or control egg laying by controlling her food intake. It's a fine balance between enough to keep her healthy, but not enough to allow egg production.

I know of several people with Nosy Be females who manage to do this. Nice healthy females, not underweight at all, but no eggs either (for years, not just a few months).

[Scotty Allen]

*LOL* Hmmmmmmm, wonder what she's wondering about, perhaps dreaming about a new book next weekend.

[panther_dude]

hey chris anderso you have a probleme buddy.
Ive been studying chams my whole life so dont come on here trying to make me look stupid. What is with these people need to get off your high horse. How long it take you to look up the names for over and under supplementation lol
not impressed at all

[Trace]

*snickers quietly to herself*

And, once again, sometimes I sit and wonder

[dank7oo]

Panther_dude

You are so lucky I have nothing to do today. Here is a quote from you from another post.

Now i dont know everything but ive been studying chams for over a year and have owned 3.

You have owned a whole three. WOW. I've owned four. Maybe we can be friends and have a teaparty.

Chris knows a hell of a lot more than most people in the world about chameleons, and the only one that made you look stupid was you.

Jason

[Chris_Anderson]

Originally posted by panther_dude
hey chris anderso you have a probleme buddy.
Ive been studying chams my whole life so dont come on here trying to make me look stupid. What is with these people need to get off your high horse. How long it take you to look up the names for over and under supplementation lol
not impressed at all

Pather dude,

Keep digging that hole, "buddy."

Jason did exactly what I was going to do with this post. Your entire life of over one whole year? I'm really impressed, even if you aren't.

Actually, hyper- and hypovitaminosis are terms I use frequently just to make the conversation and the dinner table interesting.

Chris

[DragnDrop]

Panther_dude, please take a breath, calm down. You're not being attacked here, but you are 'this close' to attacking Chris. His advice is sound, so don't get upset at him pointing out the errors in yours.
Just take it easy, think before you post.

[panther_dude]

sure experience is good but you dont have to own 100 chameleons to have experience and still know lots bout chameleons.
you guys are really high up there

[Chris_Anderson]

Originally posted by panther_dude
sure experience is good but you dont have to own 100 chameleons to have experience and still know lots bout chameleons.
you guys are really high up there

No, you don't have to own 100 chameleons to have experience. There are varying levels of experience though and the type of information you are giving is not the type of experience that is gained with long term success. You said you have been studying for over a year now and owned 3 chameleons. How many of those 3 are still alive, may I ask?

Chris

[Oliverian]

Holy crap! Every time you post, panther, you cause trouble! Try not to see every person's post as a personal attack against you, and I'm sure you'll do fine!

-TammyR

[panther_dude]

how am i causing trouble its a discusion whos over reacting now.
And all the chameleons are still alive. I had a pair of fischers for about 7 months but i sold them to make room for panthers. And my juvi female ambanja is doing great.Because I am only in an apartment I dont have the room for more then one pair. When i move back to my mothers i will be breeding panthers, Jacksons and Carpet chams(if I can ever get a hold of them,lol)
As well as crested geckos they are awsome