very excited

[Pet with a tail]

I am very excited. Monday i am ordering the baby bearded dragons i have been talking about...hopefully they arent to stressed when they arrive because i want to hold them for a min or so. I know it will be hectic for them for the first few days then i am sure they will be able to want to be holded... well not want but, im sure you get the picture if you want when they come ill post pictures, if you tell my how to post pictures in this thread? well i will keep you updated monday im going to champaign to get a 40-49 gallon tank not sure which,whatever they make....well thanks for reading im just excited.

[Matt_K]

got a 49 gallon today well it either 40 or 49 and i am setting it up tomorrow and beardie is coming tuesday...

So ummmm. Are you getting it on Monday, or did you already get it???

[Drew S]

You might want to block off part of the tank for the first month or so, because putting a baby in a 49 gallon tank could be risky. If you don't, it makes it hard for them to hunt crickets when they are small, because the crickets are tiny, and the tank it huge.

[K1LOS]

my 2 went straight into a 72 and never had any trouble catching crickets. I think you aren't giving them the credit they deserve. How do you think they would catch anything in the wild if they can't catch it in a 4 ft space.

I'm not sure a 49 would be large enough to hold 2 full grown beardies. I certainly wouldn't keep them in that. My opinion...

Geoff

[tHeGiNo]

hopefully they arent to stressed when they arrive because i want to hold them for a min or so.

You might want to hold off for a few days. Just out of respect for the animal - let them acclimate before you pester them. The new environment and travel home is stressful enough.



You might want to block off part of the tank for the first month or so, because putting a baby in a 49 gallon tank could be risky. If you don't, it makes it hard for them to hunt crickets when they are small, because the crickets are tiny, and the tank it huge.

It doesn't necessarily make it harder for them to hunt crickets. However I would recommend a smaller enclosure as a neonate, as it will allow you to better moderate their health and behaviour.

[Pet with a tail]

well they arent exactly babies they are 6 months old....

[tHeGiNo]

Oh, well in that case I would go for the full size tank right now. And keep the temperatures at 110, however monitor them closely. If they spend most time on the cooler side, decrease the temperatures.

[Pet with a tail]

ok ty

[Pet with a tail]

umm its a 49 long the demensions are just as big as the 55 gallon

[Bighead]

49 long and 55 gallon both = too small for 2 adult beardies (which they will be in a few months)

[Pet with a tail]

then how come everyone else on every other forum thinks a 55 gallon...jeez the breeder of MANY YEARS i am getting mine from has two housedin the same enclosure i hvae for mine a 55 gallon...she seems to think her babies are going to be well taken care of and she is happy....if the breeder is happy that means im doing what she would do as well...I am going to put this as nicely as possible bighead..I DO NOT WANT YOUR HELP. Please stop responding to any and all of my post, you have not helped me the whole time I have been here. I personally don't believe you have what it takes to be handing out advice either.

[Pet with a tail]

oh which i bought a 55 low gallon for my beardies to stay inand ive finally made y enclosure for my cham its 5ft x 3 ft x 2 ft

[Bighead]

i have a cham 04/pet with a tail- If you choose to house 2 adults in a 55 gallon, that is entirely your right and I understand that you are not the only one who has done this. It is my opinion that in a tank with those dimensions, there is not quite enough space for 2 beardies to bask, eat, and hide seperately if they need to. Two females will usually get along, 2 males almost never will, and a male and I female may or may not. I have a pair that don't. I bought a 6ft x 1.5ft enclosure before I purchased them, intending to keep them together. Despite all my efforts, they will not live together peacefully. I was rotating them from a 55 gallon to the 125 for a long time and it was always obvious which one they prefered. I now have the female in a 4ft x 2.5ft and the male gets the big tank. The only time they share an enclosure is to breed and then only under supervision. Is the breeder guaranteeing a sex for you? Also, just because a breeder tells you something is ok, it doesn't mean that it is. Not all breeders agree about what consitutes safe and proper husbandry. There are also breeders out there who could care less about the animals, and only about making a sale, so the fact that their beardie had babies really means squat. So, that's why I have those opinions.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't want my help. That's fine with me. My intention was never to help you in the first place, it was to help your pets. I will try to refrain from giving you more advice, as there are plenty of other people here that can do that as well, but be assured that if I ever see you handing out advice, I will continue to warn the people you send it to about your history of poor husbandry.

[drewlowe]

I'm agreeing with big head on this one a 55 gallon is ok for 1 beardies, but i don't belive it's big enough for 2.

You should really go with at least a 75 gal. min for 2 a 4x2x2 would be much better.

Do you know how big a full grown beardie even is??? What have you learned so far for their care??? I don't see how one week of research is going to make you prepaired.

[Pet with a tail]

okay thats it...you guys are no help im never reccomending this site to anyone, you guys are saying i have a cham04 which im not, you dont help anything you contradict what any caresheet says just so you can argue you only go with what eachother says because maybe the person might be right...my 55 gallon is 4x 1 1/2 x 2 so its 1/2 foot off what you reccomended. my husbandry is great and i dont know where you live but the demensions of our 75 gallons are just as big as our 55 low...just taller, but they arent tree dwellers so im good to go...and if im going to give advice to someone thats my business not yours if anything ill back up what i say with a caresheet, can you do the same...also the breeder i got mine off of wasnt going to sell to me unless i had proof of the set-up i have ,,pictures and copy of reciept does wonders...anyway this will most likely bethe last time i make a post on this forum...your all only wanting to argue and say what im doing is wrong.

[ChristinaM]

Originally posted by drewlowe

Do you know how big a full grown beardie even is??? What have you learned so far for their care??? I don't see how one week of research is going to make you prepaired.

Well, do you?

If you don't want our help, then don't post period.
This is a msg board, a forum.
People post.
People read.
People respond.
Deal with it.

[Oliverian]

.... Hmmm. Little bit testy today. It's fine, you don't have to stay here if you don't want. Personally, I feel it's your loss.
Peace out if you're gone.

... Now, just an afterthought... Are you supposed to keep beardies on sand? I honestly have no idea, I havn't ever kept or researched them.

-TammyR

[Oliverian]

.. Ok. That's what happens when you hit submit too many times!

-TammyR

[ChristinaM]

the picture you posted, is that what you are going to put 2 little beardies in?

sand substrate is it?
Where is the UV?
Digital probe thermometer?

here's some caresheets:

http://www.australianbeardies.com/care.htm

( note: bearded dragons are semi-arboreal)

http://www.anapsid.org/bearded.html

[Oliverian]

Aaahh! Melissa Kaplan! Quick, hand me a tomato!

-TammyR

[Bighead]

I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore, but this time it's a good thing. Even though your tank only looks like it's about 48 1/4 x 12 3/4 x 21, and you said it's a 55 gallon and I'm sure they sold it to you as one, it turns out that they gave you a 90 gallon tank (89.77 to be exact). At least, that's according to the dimensions you gave. How lucky for your beardies.

By the way, just so it's all cleared up, how did you explain the whole you and i_have_a_cham_04 having the same IP address/same computer thing?

[ChristinaM]

Originally posted by Oliverian


... Now, just an afterthought... Are you supposed to keep beardies on sand? I honestly have no idea, I havn't ever kept or researched them.

-TammyR

For Tammy's info: Substrate is a very debatable issue with BD's, but everyone will agree that young dragons should NEVER be kept on sand.

Adults can be, but definately not young ones. They are easily impacted with sand.

[ChristinaM]

Originally posted by Oliverian
Aaahh! Melissa Kaplan! Quick, hand me a tomato!

-TammyR

ROTFLMAO

[K1LOS]

Well, leave if you will, but i think that you will find that these forums can be very helpful. The reason you aren't recieving a warm welcome, might have something to do with your lack of co-operation.

We are all telling you what we feel is best, which might not necessarily be the only way. And yes, there is a lot of debate over the proper husbandry of all reptiles because a lot of people think their way is the best. What works for one may not work for all. You come on and say things that are just wrong, and everybody agrees they are wrong. When they are pointed out to you by numerous ppl, you still don't accept that they are incorrect, and are unwilling to change.

You didn't research your chameleon before you got it. That's huge! People aren't going to respect you if you aren't looking for the well being of your animal. You may think you are, but if you were, you would have had your cage built and all your questions answered before you got it.

Now you are talking about getting dragons, and only like a week or two later. Do you have any idea how fragile a young chameleon is? You need to be putting a lot of effort into maintaining that animal and making sure he is established before you get another animal. And frankly, i expect you will do the same thing again, get the animal, and figure out how to care for it later.

Take my advice, read lots of caresheets. When you are done reading them all, find out what was similar and how they differ. The things that are the same in most of them, probably work for most people. The things that were different, ask here about them. Keep in mind, anybody can write a caresheet, and a lot of books are out dated. So take everything with a grain of salt. The best source of information is talking to several people already keeping the species. Do all this BEFORE you get your dragons and you will get much better replies to your questions. Good luck to you and your animals

Geoff

[Bighead]

Chris- I personally don't keep mine on sand, but to be fair, not EVERYONE agrees that it's unsafe. Even the authors of the new Bearded Dragon Manual still use hot rocks and sand substrate for babies.

[Oliverian]

Amen to that, Geoff. I think you pretty much just covered it all.

-TammyR

[ChristinaM]

Originally posted by Bighead
Chris- I personally don't keep mine on sand, but to be fair, not EVERYONE agrees that it's unsafe. Even the authors of the new Bearded Dragon Manual still use hot rocks and sand substrate for babies.

OUCH :o
I haven't read that one. Don't think I'm gonna bother either.

True, there will be the odd one that will say sand is fine for any age, etc etc. But, the majority will agree that babies shouldn't have sand.......

I used to keep my dragons on sand, but recently switched over to bran. Mind you, my dragons are all over 1yr, some 2yrs. But when I did have a baby, she was on newspaper/papertowels/corkboard.......

Cheers :D

[drewlowe]

and if im going to give advice to someone thats my business not yours if anything ill back up what i say with a caresheet, can you do the same

If you want i can quote caresheets all day long, but i can go off experince and so can other members which is more than just reciting something written down tht you have no proof if it's true or not.

you guys are no help

how are we no help, we're answering the questions and more. If you don't like the answers then fine, but we are giving OUR opions which is the reason we are here on this forum.

your all only wanting to argue and say what im doing is wrong.

No, that's not why we're here, we're here to talk and share information on the speices we keep or desire.

you dont help anything you contradict what any caresheet says just so you can argue you only go with what eachother says because maybe the person might be right...

As someone already stated any Yahoo can make a caresheet, doesn't mean it's right. If you would acctually look at past threads i'm positive you'll see us disagreeing on some aspect of care. I don't "copy" what other people say just because "it sounds good" i do it cause it's the same opinion i have after keeping the species. When we ask questions (or at least myself) i'm not asking to "put you down" i'm asking for the well being of the animals. So i'll say it again it's nothing personal it's about the animals.

Now, just an afterthought... Are you supposed to keep beardies on sand? I honestly have no idea, I havn't ever kept or researched them.

As Bichiraddict said you'll never find a breeder that will agree on substrates. I personaly am anti sand, Yes i used to use it but never again. I think that's the tread that has some good info. http://ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34371

[SaIiLdVaEnR]

Stop trying to pull this "I am not Cham04" garbage, we know you are, we have the ISP addresses to prove it and have already done so in the chameleon forums.

No one is asking you to stay, and frankly, with your disregard for our experience and knowledge no one would be sorry if you left.

You fight everything knowledgable keepers say, and you are the one asking the questions! You should be thankful people are offering help, yet, you, in turn are ungrateful. My tip would be to accept our combined knowledge as more reliable than a basic care sheet and appreciate our help or remove yourself.

Aidan

[scalawag]

What are those tiny, tiny little twigs for?

[Dragon_Slave]

I think this post is just ridiculous!
Pet with a tail: If you didn't want advice then you shouldn't have posted any questions. SsnakesS.com is a COMMUNITY FORUM. We are here to HELP and give ADVICE. The advice can be from personal experience or from what people have researched. Many of us here have kept, or are keeping, bearded dragons and have months, or even years, of research to back up what we say.
YOU CANNOT EVER POSSIBLY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT DRAGON CARE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.
Even professional dragon breeders/keepers that have kept dragons for 20+ years don't know everything there is to know. With today's technological advances and Australian research groups, we are learning new things every day about these wonderful animals.
Anyway, the point of my post was just to point out that you need to follow the advice of others and get that stick outta your a$$.