FL King VS. Corn

[Crazycorn]

In the left hand corner we have the great the magnificent FL. King coming in at 28" and in the other we have the non-feeding/non thriving Corn coming in at 8". WHO WILL WIN?! Duh of course the King... Ok I know its morbid but I did it to put the corn out of its misery, Enjoy the pic.
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/CrazySnake-kingVScorn.jpg

[Simon Sansom]

Hey, waste not, want not,! Finally - a worthy use for Corn Snakes, LOL! Easy folks, just kiddin'...

Cheers,

Simon

[TheRedDragon]

*LOL* Simon! Crazycorn, I love corn snakes, but, if I had a corn that was just wasting away no matter what I tried doing, I would do the exact same thing.

[ruthupton]

Sorry but I am a sissie female who just could NOT do that. LOL I'm afraid I'd have to ask my friend to do something because he's a big butch male.

[Simon Sansom]

Hi Ruth,

I like that portrait of the Cal-King that you use for your "avatar". Cute pose. Black and white Cal-Kings are awesome.

Cheers, from a "transplanted" Briton,

Simon

[ruthupton]

Simon, that's not my baby. If you click on my gallery you can see tow piccies of my snakes.

[ruthupton]

tow = two.

[BurmGuy87]

Haha gotta love those corns!

And Ruth you have some nice snakes in your gallery! I'm loving the Carolina! My favoooorite Corn type

[vanderkm]

Question on feeding corns to kings - do you ever find the kings are more reluctant to take mice after feeding on snakes - or are they just such pigs that they will eat anything.

I have been using my cull corns as feeders for an oscar fish but will have some king babies this year (I hope) and wondered if it might be a problem converting them back after they have snake.

mary v.

[Simon Sansom]

Mary,

I think that kings are such generalist feeders that they don't really much care what they get, as longs as there's lots of it, lol!

Although, I suppose that if fed alternate prey items over a period of time the animal may become imprinted on that particular food item. Probably depends on the individual specimen.

Cheers!

Simon

[Gareth]

not impressed at all sorry :-(

[Gareth]

we had a milk snake 2 yr old and we force fed it for a whole yr if not longer and it now feeds she is only small about 3f but is on the come back.

[munchie321]

i think its absoluty stupid, it makes me sick, y kill it, theres always other ways

[munchie321]

but i am entitled to my opinion and i sorry if i offeneded you

[BurmGuy87]

Um your opinion or not man none of that was neccesary at all. What if i liked mice....guess what your evil you feed your snakes mice!

Just please think before you talk...or type in this situation!

[Gareth]

lol what a load of rubbish you know what the kid is saying just think from his point not from a blank point

[Lrptls]

i think it was a great idea. snakes are my favorite animals but i would have done the same. king snakes naturaly eat other snakes so if i had a corn that was suffering, i would want it to die in a natural way, and it went to good use-it filled another snakes tummy.

[Gareth]

i think a little more detail on the snake would help ( the corn )

[BurmGuy87]

he said non feeding and non thriving? what more ya want haha

[Crazycorn]

Hmmmm, Who let the jokers in? Ok heres a fact for you, the snake was only 7"s at 8 months of age, Hasn't eaten since december, is an extra male, force feeding is just not good in my opinion especially if you do it for more than a year as you have stated, if the snake was obviously NOT meant to live why force I just don't get it! but hey we ARE ALL entitled to our own opinion, Oh and the king is doing great went right back to mice with no problem and is getting huge. what would you do?

[BurmGuy87]

Dont worry man you shouldnt have to explain yourself.....I believe you should let people do as they wish....but at least in this case it was obviously not that big of a deal under the conditions.

I have a friend that fed his Coral Snake a perfectly fine Corn Snake....go yell at him:) ;)

[TheRedDragon]

*LOL* Don, yeah, no kidding. I understand why people get touchy about it, but, as I said before, I would do the same thing. It has two benefits: 1. End the corn's suffering and 2. A meal for a THRIVING snake.

[Andy_G]

Cool pic.
I, also, would do the same thing. Some just will never thrive and it's best to end their pain.

[marie]

what was wrong with the corn ? so he was small was he sick could he not be helped by a vet ? if you just did it for the thrill you have a sick mind . corns are very nice snakes it's like sticking a chiauha in with a bull dog . marie

[Andy_G]

Marie, this baby corn that he fed to the kingsnake will never thrive in captivity. Some snakes won't eat anything in captivity but letting them go in the wild no matter where you live, is a BAD idea. What he did is the most humane way of dealing with that kind of snake.

[Crazycorn]

I am not sure what was wrong with it but something obviously was, for some reason some hatchlings just don't thrive and make it in nature and become food for other animals its called the circle of life if you do remember, NO I did not do it for fun and I never would as I don't like wasting lives but when there is clearly something wrong as in this case I thought it would be better to end its suffering. In fact I love corns and keep them as pets they are among my favorites and I would not do this unless I felt it be necessary I cant help it if you don't understand but I am glad most people do. Its is however human nature to get emotional over something you feel is wrong or right and I feel I was right in this situation, as for the vet comment I have no exotics vet close by and if I did I am sure they would have given it a appetite stimulate, I don't mean to sound harsh but it irritates me how some people will dog you over something you feel is right. I am not for animal cruelty but I am for ending the suffering of animals that are not able to thrive and probably never will. Oh and so you know this snake died before it was fed to the king and I chose to not let it go to waste.

[Syco]

Quote "Ok I know its morbid but I did it to put the corn out of its misery, Enjoy the pic."

I guess my question is.... if the corn died before you put it in with the kingsnake, why the statement in the first post?
And if you didn't know what was wrong with the corn, were you not worried about parasites or disease being transmitted to your kingsnake?

[creepiecrawlie]

I never seen a real pic of one snake eating another. Ohh I like the colors on your king. The kingsnake lived up to its name.

[gonesnakee]

First off I'll say sorry to those of you whose "Rose Colored Glasses" were smashed with this small dose of reality. Hate to break it to ya but, Life for one being comes at the cost of death to another or others. Laws of nature, facts of life. Lets not be hypocrits here LOL People that work with many animals have to accept the facts of life & yes that sometimes means to live & to let die. Some things are not meant to be, sad but true. Nuff Said. I would not offer the snake to another that was feeding well, but not for the same petty morals presented here. I have Kings that are aggressive feeders that already will bite me just because I have the scent of another snake on me. I do not wish to encourage this activity & think that feeding other snakes as prey would only encourage it & get me bit alot more often LOL. I have offered baby corns (that weren't going to make it BTW) to nonfeeding Eastern Indigos before. They didn't eat them, but most of the E.I. babies last year were started on snake scented mice. I euthanize in the freezer usually & then use the corpses as food etc. rather than just having it become landfill or sewage. Waste not want not it wasn't meant to be so give it a purpose to help other life subsist. I have fed baby snakes to PacMan frogs before though, so hate me if you will as you fed rodent after rodent to your snakes, go BBQ etc etc etc. LOL No one likes everything about life/death & its far from a perfect world.
Mark
P.S. The Chihuahaua example was a pathetic grasp. Everyone knows that Bulldogs don't subsist on Chihuahuas, whereas snakes of all types are being eaten by others of all types worldwide as I type. As well as by birds, lizards, frogs, mammals etc. etc.etc. & vicea versa. Thats LIFE!

[Crazycorn]

Syco Quote "Ok I know its morbid but I did it to put the corn out of its misery, Enjoy the pic."
I I euthanized it by putting it in the freezer first and then fed it to the king yes I was worried by parasites but after having it in the freezer for awhile like anoles I believe it to be ok. Thank you all for the concern of the snake being eaten but I did euthanize it first in the freezer it <em><b>was not alive while being fed to the king</b></em>.

[KingFfaj]

you put kill them in the freezer? that really is sick, it would definatly be nicer to let the snake kill them its self, a mouse takes 10-15seconds to die though constriction, but may take hours and hours in a frezer, all the time in unbarable pain, and slowly feeling its blood crystalize, very very inhumane.
I hope you change your method, after reading this, any way is better then freezing, even hitting on the head, or gas or cervical dislocation.
Remeber, live mice are bad as feeders because of the danger to the snake, not becauser its inhumane to the mouse, they are dead very quickly, and so would a small snake be.
DONT frezee an animal to death because u dont want to see it die:)

[Crazycorn]

Actually if you knew enough of a snake anatomy you would really see why what I did what better, Ok to start with snakes are cold blooded and need heat from elsewhere to warm them up and become active without this heat they slow down and when chilled snakes "go to sleep" and really feel not alot, in fact the snake was dead in 5 minutes, I bet that really hurt didn't it unlike the 10-60 minutes it would have required for the snake to be constricted to death.
DONT frezee an animal to death because u don't want to see it die
I did not want to see it die but that seemed the best thing to do and if that means I am sick then fine.
a mouse takes 10-15seconds to die though constriction, but may take hours and hours in a frezer
really because the time I have had it to take was a couple minutes.
live mice are bad as feeders because of the danger to the snake, not becauser its inhumane to the mouse
They are not bad as feeders, what do think would be better? A properly killed mouse or pinky/fuzzy with its eyes closed is of no harm to a snake what really is wrong is the feeding style of the person feeding the snake. Such as leaving a snake with a live mouse for more than a couple minutes with no supervision.
mouse, they are dead very quickly, and so would a small snake be.
Actually that is false a snake can hold its breath alot longer than a mouse can and since they kill by constricting the animal to suffocation it thereby the snake would live longer and endure more pain.
Please do not take offense, I am merely stating the reasoning behind my actions.

[KingFfaj]

so are you trying to debait the fact that being frozen to death is more humane then being killed by the animal that is trying to eat you? coz its wrong its not, even if it is quicker.
This is pointless because no one can actually prove this either way so lets not debait this, just dont put live animals in the freezer.

[jjaj02]

Ummmmmmmm.......not really sure what to say about that. Oh well you gotta do what you gotta do. Not sure I would have posted the pic tho. Lotsa ppl that really, really like corns.

[Andy_G]

Out of curiousity, how would you have killed the snake?

[Katt]

Crazycorn do you keep ringneck snakes??

[KingFfaj]

make him read this thread

[anacondaman]

i dont see why its worse to feed a snake to a snake then a mouse to a snake...non is more important than the other..it just happens snakes are more interesting and colourful... dont get me wrong...i like snakes more than mice but hey if there was a snake around my house that wasnt in the best shape and another snake could benefit from it... why not??????

[anacondaman]

hell.....a varied diet is even benificial in some cases...so in that case.....it shouldnt even be a problem

[KingFfaj]

I probably wouldnt have killed it, i would have feed it live. I wont lose sleep over there being one less corn, but I am againts freezing

[anacondaman]

either way ur killin the animal....just wen ur killing the animal choose 2 different ways....the natural way(let the king kill it) or if ur gonna do it...do it the fastest way possible(less painful)

[Oliverian]

so are you trying to debait the fact that being frozen to death is more humane then being killed by the animal that is trying to eat you? coz its wrong its not, even if it is quicker.
This is pointless because no one can actually prove this either way so lets not debait this, just dont put live animals in the freezer.

Snakes are COLD BLOODED. Have you ever brumated a snake? They slow down quickly and don't respond very much at all to any stimuli. So, if they cool down and then get so cold they die, they most likely wouldn't feel any pain at all. Certainly they'd have more pain and stress being bitten, wrapped, and swallowed by another snake. Don't apply warm blooded logic to cold blooded animals. It just doesn't work.

My personal opinion is that it was a good thing to do, I never waste a life either if I can help it. The only thing that concered me when I saw the pic was the possibility of parasites, but I guess you have that under control. I think a lot of you are ovverreating. Neat picture, anyways.


-TammyR

[Optimus Prime]

I don't find a problem with it at all snakes are a natural part of Kingsnakes diets and its the same as feeding it a mouse they are still animals and so forth.

[KingFfaj]

Originally posted by Oliverian
Snakes are COLD BLOODED. Have you ever brumated a snake? They slow down quickly and don't respond very much at all to any stimuli. So, if they cool down and then get so cold they die, they most likely wouldn't feel any pain at all. Certainly they'd have more pain and stress being bitten, wrapped, and swallowed by another snake. Don't apply warm blooded logic to cold blooded animals. It just doesn't work.



You cant say things like that, coz u dont know if a reptile will feel its blood crystalising or not, but itrs blood will crystalize, and it will still be alive, so ur wrong to sy that, nd should be on this threads as it sets the wrong example, DOnt freeze animals


now let this thread die

[Simon Sansom]

How do YOU know that an animal can feel it's blood "crystallize", as you say? Physiologically, the animal's metabolism and other body processes etc, slow down to the point of unconciousness well before it actually freezes and dies.

I have spoken to a medical doctor on the subject of euthanizing herps, and he agrees that freezing a snake is most likely the best way to dispatch it. Ask a veterinarian on the other hand, and he'll recommend having to pay to bring it in to be euthanized "correctly" i.e., the way they'd deal with a warm-blooded animal.

Cheers!

Simon R Sansom

[Crazycorn]

Thank you all for you opinions and support. I personally feel I did the right thing, I feel some people might have wanted to see the photo so I posted it, I even went as far as to post it strictly in the KINGSNAKE FORUM for kingsnakes lovers and if there were any corn lovers such as myself I did posted "I know its morbid" in the first post.
Katt Crazycorn do you keep ringneck snakes??
I do keep them but for brief periods of time, I am doing research on their native behaviors and I may keep them for up to 3 weeks but do not keep them much longer than that. I have had great luck with them this year I have found a total of 9 in a month and a half while other years I found only a couple per year, then again I have really been going out in the field and flipping, I saved 6 of them from a construction site this month and relocated them to the local population near me.