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Guess what guys? Yesterday i was in ashdown arkansas fishing at my grandfathers pond, on the way back to the house i saw a turtle crossing the old dirt trail, i knew he was aquatic because there was alage on his shell, HIS front claws were over 2 inches long. So i know he is a male aquatic turtle, i took him home with me ( please dont be mad, i coudlnt resist). After doing some research i found him to be a cooter! He is 10 inches long. Hes so precious. Does anyone have any information on keeping them? I plan on having him in a 50 gallon pond. Sound ok?
I really don't think it was very wise of you to take this turtle home with you especially since you didnt know what kind it was and not to mention, have no idea how to care for it.. You asked people to not 'be mad' at you, but im not sure how you could expect everyone to let it slide and not give you flack over you doing something like this.. I suggest taking this turtle back to where you found it and letting it go.. You cannot possibly meet the requirements it will need on the tiny bit of knowledge you have of the species (you only know what kind of turtle it is).
By the way, Nice signature.. How many names do you have on sSNAKESs now???
I know alot of information on turtles, and i have done my re-search on him, hes doing great...
You JUST caught him. It's a fact you cannot say "he is doing great"
If you know so much information then why do you need to know if a 50 gallon is big enough? Frankly for a ten inch turtle, its not big enough at all. Try 100 gallon MINIMUM for a turtle that has lived in the wild its entire life. That's a simple fact. Sorry to say.
I would release him IMHO.
Marisa
After doing some research i found him to be a cooter!
Does anyone have any information on keeping them? I plan on having him in a 50 gallon pond. Sound ok?
So your reseach allowed you to find out that it is a 'cooter' and not what size enclosure it would need or any other basic information?? You said you did research, yet your asking people here to help you with how to care for it?? Let it go dude.. It will have a better chance of survival..
Darren179
03-08-04, 03:32 PM
agreed
You know you people are always jumping on someone, i dont know what the hell is wrong with you all ( most of you) cant you give some one a chance?! You are just rambling on about every sentance, nothing is good enogh for you! You must have no life at all! What a forum!
im going to take a break and try to cool off.
Invictus
03-08-04, 03:41 PM
What you did was incredibly stupid and selfish. You envidently care nothing about that turtle, you just want a little trophy you can display saying "Hey, I have a cooter!". You have done no research, added to which, you have no idea what parasites that thing is bringing into your house. So instead of thinking about what YOU want for your collection, maybe you should think about that animal's needs and let it go.
Take some pics of him and put them on the wall. Think its best for the little bugger if you released it. Its like, you livin your live in the great outdoors and then get thrown into jail (which is to small, if i have to believe Marisa) and the food will probably suck too :p
Anways, just think its best to let it go
Greetz Daan
You have no idea! I have done my research, hes being treated for parasites. Hes not a prize as you say, and how in the hell would you know any of that? I care alot about the animals, you dont tell me how i feel, you know nothing about me! your the type of member im talking about.
If you care about it, you would let it go
You asked a question I answered it.
Is a 50 gallon big enough for a ten inch cooter who has probably been alive for at least 5 years in the wild to attain that size....I answered. No. It is not.
You are the odd person here. Not us. We do not go out and catch adult turtles from wild populations. I am sorry you are upset, but its not your feelings we care about. Its the turtle. And frankly the best advice anyone can give you on this forum in regards to morals, whats right and whats best for the animal, is to let it go.
Marisa
Darren179
03-08-04, 03:48 PM
why do you not just contact some local breeders and get one born in captivity instead of stealing one from the wild.
Agreed, you should let it go. The only aquatic turtle that you could keep in a 50 gallon is probably a turtle with no more than a 5 or 6 inch carapace length, (that would be a minimum). For a cooter you would probably need at least a 100 - 150 gallon. Seeing as your in the states, you can purchase a turtle for very little money down there. There isn't any need to take one from the wild. This is a forum, you asked everyones opinion and you didn't hear what you wanted. No ones saying anything to be personal. It's all about the critters. Just let him go, he'll be much happier.
Originally posted by WWC
You know you people are always jumping on someone, i dont know what the hell is wrong with you all ( most of you) cant you give some one a chance?! You are just rambling on about every sentance, nothing is good enogh for you! You must have no life at all! What a forum!
No one is forcing you to post on these forums.. It is your decision to do so.. But when you don't get the answers you want to hear, there is no need to fly off the handle.. It's obvious to me that everyone that has replied has had the same concern, the well being of the turtle.. As stated, if you want a turtle so bad, go out and buy a CB one rather then collecting from the wild populations.. It's funny, you were the one who started a thread about us needing conservation, well, collecting animals from their natural habitat is hardly conserving the wild population, don't you think????
Darren179
03-08-04, 04:03 PM
well said matt
snakehunter
03-08-04, 04:10 PM
Agreed, WC are HARD to switch over to mainstream food anyway. I tried the catch and keep, but i could help but feel sorry for the little guy. CB ar born in rubbermaids and thats all the know, and are quite comfortable for them, while a WC may remain highstrung, Nervous, and defensive. I would release him.
BTW at 4:11pm you said:
'After doing some research i found him to be a cooter! He is 10 inches long. Hes so precious. Does anyone have any information on keeping them? I plan on having him in a 50 gallon pond.'
Then at 4:21 you said:
'I know alot of information on turtles, and i have done my re-search on him, hes doing great... '
*WOW, I wish i were that good with my herps.......*
THEN at 4:43 you said:
'You have no idea! I have done my research, hes being treated for parasites'
*DANG, I wish i lived that close to my herp vet!*
Dont you see that the info you are giving us just doesnt line up?!?!?!?
UpscaleBoas
03-08-04, 04:17 PM
WWC....you must have know the response you'd get from this site....we are all animal lovers...he are here to talk about husbundry and care and breeding of reptiles....if you go through the forums here on feild herping you'll never read about anyone doing more then catching to photograph them.
Turtles are in my oppion are the most abused pet in this trade...people like Matt, marisa, Darren, Incictus,dani , doen and myself are working hard to make this hobby and site the best it can be....no ones mad at you (we are trying to educate you)
by looking at the dates and times of your post it looks like you caught him on the 7th and by the 8th you have already read everything you need to know and have started treated for parasites....with what....where did you get.....
If i sound like a "!@@" thats fine.....prove it...and i will start a new post to apologize to you......
this is amjor problem....taking wild animals out of natural environment.....think how many females could that one male breed with in a year.....how many off spring would result and perhaps even make to be his age........
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5min latter:
this whole post is dumb...let me get this right WWC stands for World Wide Conservation
..count me in ...lol
pls look at the site http://www.freewebs.com/worldwideconservation/index.htm
sketchy4
03-08-04, 04:18 PM
just let him go man. obviously with the posts you have made you are just blowing smoke.
Removed_2815
03-08-04, 04:37 PM
Seriously friend, let it go - leave the wildlife in the wild - ALWAYS!
In your user info, you have cited conservation as your interest; what you are doing is the opposite of conservation. Granted professionals take animals out of the wild for captive propagation programs for animals that are at risk, but this animal is not yet at risk and (if I am wrong, correct me) you are not a professional. As an aside, a big reason said animals become at risk is because of "poachers" removing them from the wild.
My interest is in the turtle, you'll have to forgive me if you take this as a personal attack.
You had mentioned this statistic in a previous post:
*Every day more than 5,000 animals are killed from poching.
Granted, you have not killed the animal yet, but you are effectively killing it in that you have removed it from the wild and eliminated all possibility of future reproduction and propagation of the species by this individual.
You may argue that "it's only one turtle" but I am sure that's what every individual poacher says; collectively, however, you can see how we reach that number of 5000.
Please let it go....
Regards,
Ryan
Removed_2815
03-08-04, 04:43 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone know the laws for collecting in Texas and the bylaws for collecting in Texarkana?
What I'd like to know is how is it being treated for parasites? what's the dosage you are giving it? what drugs? where did you get the info to give these dosages? Are you sure thats the right dosage for that species? are you treating it for the parasites that it has or are you just doing a shotgun approach? If the former how did you find out? can you tell me what it eats? what's the latin of this species? What ph level should the water be at? do you have it's water filtered? does this turtle need a dry area to bask in? how often are you changing the water? is it male or female?
You said you did your research, so you should know the answers to the above questions.
sapphire_moon
03-08-04, 08:46 PM
If you love it let it go, if it's a WC then it will be happier that way. There is no way you could provide for it the way nature provided for it before.
You stated in your signature "i'm starting over, don't reveal" well how many other user names do you have, and why were you banned or kicked off in the first place?
daver676
03-08-04, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by sapphire_moon
You stated in your signature "i'm starting over, don't reveal" well how many other user names do you have, and why were you banned or kicked off in the first place?
I believe he started out as BallPython13, then he got banned, then came back as reptile171 or something. All he ever posts is crap like this......:rolleyes:
Your not too smart either. You have revealed in a previous thread that your name is Landon Cowling, your 14, and live in Texarcana Texas.
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37469&highlight=Landon
Now you tell us that you have illegally captured a wild native animal. Anyone could call your local Fish and Game or whoever would handle this sort of thing, let them know that you have illegally captured and kept a native species, and you would probably land yourself a hefty fine. LET THE TURTLE GO LANDON. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PET SHOP TURTLES OUT THERE!
And you are a disgrace to your username:
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37814&highlight=COnservation
I care alot about the animals, you dont tell me how i feel, you know nothing about me!
I can't say that I know how you feel or much about you at all but I do KNOW one thing, you can't possibly truly care for that turtle if all you want is to keep it.
It is the cruelest thing you can do, take an animal from the wild and make it suffer a life of captivity. This turtle has known a very nice life up till the moment you took it home... Even if you gave it the best of conditions it will NEVER compare to it's life in the wild where it is supposed to be.
As humans we are already selfish enough in playing God and controlling the lives of the animals we choose to keep as CB. Taking an animal from the wild for reasons other than to help the species by professionals is SUPREME selfishness!
If you cared even a BIT about that turtle, you would run to put it back where you took it.
Pixie
In your user profile doesnt it say under interests "Conservation". A little conflicting in my opinion. Your not really conserving but taking away for your benefit.
Darren179
03-09-04, 10:58 AM
well guys he has not replied I think hes gonna keep the poor little guy
i think your right. I feel sorry for the little bugger (the turtle) if he does.
Just hoping that he will set him free again.
Grant vg
03-09-04, 01:05 PM
I would not be surprised if somewhere there in Texas there is some sort of shelter or animal rescue operation where you could find yourself a turtle to adopt.
no need to take one out of the wild and eventually have it end up back in the wild or into a shelter as there's already plenty of turtles that need homes!
UpscaleBoas
03-09-04, 01:08 PM
wow.....everyone (almost everyone) here is out for the good of animals....think this whole post will at least make others that stumble across it realize that this whole sitituation was so wrong......good work
geckoguy157
03-09-04, 01:13 PM
ok ive got a question for evreyone one who is argueing with him obviously your not going to change his mind just look how many people have posted all these arguments has he budged an inch to leting him go no so why wouldnt you just give him some information on how to take care of the turtle so it has the best chance possible(im not agreeing with takeing animals from the wild)
Because if you take the mentality of "Well he already took it lets just give him information" then EVERYTIME someone stumbles across a wild herp, they will take it from the wild without researching it, without knowing if its for the good of the population, and without knowing if its best for the animal.
I would be slightly more inclined to help him out had he found a hatchling cooter walking across a busy road. But he didn't. He found a well established adult which can provide years of offspring to females in the area, one that has probably been alive and well for YEARS and has now captured it and placed it in a jail of an enclosure compared to what its been living in for years upon years. Nothing is right about that situation.
I hope all the valuable opinions and ideas in this thread are well thought over by the thread starter and taken as good advice, not "attacking" or anything else, simply because no one cares to bring HIM down and no one cares how HE feels. It's ALL about the animals and *ALWAYS* should be. If he keeps it, it's all about him. Not what's best for the turtle.
Marisa
geckoguy157
03-09-04, 01:32 PM
i completly agree with you there i feal bad for the turtle and i agree with evryone who has posted here except for the guy who took the turtle from the wild
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