What Snake can i have in the same viv as my Corn???

[munchie321]

Hello,
I have a corn snake at the moment, my viv is 3ft by 1.5ft, i was wondering what snakes can i mix with this snake

Thanx

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[Invictus]

None. Snakes should not, under any circumstances, be mixed (as in different species) in the same vivarium. Even housing snakes of the same species is very highly NOT recommended.

[Ed_r]

Specially colubrids they can be canibalistic. Plus its too much stress on the snakes. Only time they should be housed together is during breeding time.

[josefg]

Different species of snakes cannot be mixed. Reasons include different environmental requirements and some snakes may harbor some pathogens that while not harmful to themselves may be harmful to other reptiles.

[munchie321]

my mate has burms and boas which are kept together, he has a 8ft, 3ft, 3ft

[althena]

My friend had her corn snakes eat each other. :/
My only experience was my larger corn snake ended up just stressing the other one so muchthat it died. I didn't understand that it was strssed out until much later though. :(

[Big Mike]

Your "mate" is not smart.

[crazyboy]

Dont house any two snakes together for the above reasons. You shoulkd inform your "mate" to separate his burms and boas.

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

By the way, if the burm is 8ft and the boas are 3ft it would probably crush the poor things. I myself did house my rat and corn together till i found out about the problems(my first year keeping herps). Now all my animals are seperate except the breeders.

[vanderkm]

Mixing species is generally considered unacceptable in housing snakes in captivity because of the risk of disease transmission and differences in required environment.

Housing snakes of the same species together can work under some circumstances but there are few reasons (other than economic - cheaper to house in groups) to support it - and it is generally frowned upon. Snakes are solitary animals by nature, cannibalism is a real risk with some species including cornsnakes, and the snakes do not benefit from being kept in a group situation. As has already been mentioned the stress of close quarters, competition and the possibilty of early breeding leading to egg-binding and death of females are all reasons to avoid more than one snake per enclosure.

We keep all our snakes individually and recommend it because it is easiest to manage their health, feeding and other records and care in this way. The size of your viv is also too small in my opinion to accomodate two cornsnakes at maturity.

mary v.

[seann]

I have to corns i kept together in a tank for 3 years and their has been no stress problems i feed them seperatly so theirs no conflict and when spring comes i breed them. personally i would only house a corn with its own kind never tried doing it with another snake but if somone has good luck ps do not use a milk or a kingsnake trust me!

[sapphire_moon]

I am sorry if this sounds rude. Take the advice of everyone that has said do not house them together.
Would you be housed with say a...............polar bear? No, you require different environment, and the bear might hurt you.

If you can't afford to seperatly house the snakes (herps), don't get the snakes (herps).

And when your "mate" comes home and finds that he only has 1-2 snakes left he will be wishing he housed them seperatly.

[rwg]

I have seen species mixed successfully before, but never with corns. Corns can be canabalistic, so you could lose one. Best to get another enclosure. Besides 3 X 1.5 is pretty much minimum size for 1 large adult corn.

rg

[Ed_r]

Keeping a burm and boas together is just flat out insane.
2 Totally different Continents, Different bacterias, Different temp requirements, Totally different Size.

To be blunt, and not mean to come across rude, but if you can't afford a seperate cage, or don't have room for another cage. You can't afford the herp, or you have no further room for additional herps. Would you like sharing your room with some stranger from another country? with different habits and lifestyles? Or would you want to share your room with a known cannibal? Somehow i think you would rather not put yourself in either situation.
So why force your snake to?

I have seen species mixed successfully before

There is NO such thing as this. People force them to co-exist. its either live or die, the snake doesnt have a choice. If by successful, you mean they havent died yet...key word YET, then sure they could be "successfully" kept together

[Beardonicus]

EXACTLY Ed!

[Gareth]

hi ya all the person in question keeping boas and pythons together is ME and i can say i'm not insane all my reps are healthy and well cared for, i take in alot of reptile that are misstreated by people and even rehoming centres in uk get in touch with me to take them in and the pythons and boas in question are between 7-12 foot and are all heavy bodied i have kept boas and pythons together for approx 3-4 yrs now and i have not had 1 problem they all feed well no ri due to stress on the python side. as for putting corns in with another corn, fine i know alot of people who do it even rescue centres but people do have there own opinions and i 100% respect that .

take care all gareth

[Ed_r]

I'll just say it again.... If you cant supply their own cages, then you should stop taking in animal, regardless of how good your intentions are.

When is the last time you seen a Burm ad Boas sleeping together in the wild?

Your going to say duhh never they are from different parts of the world... MY POINT EXACTLY.

Different species should NEVER be housed together.

If a person has been driving drunk for 4 years and never got caught does that make it right too?

[wyz]

And a word of advice to people who do keep snakes together...

Just keep it for yourself... !

It's allways a great debate starter in here.

So don't argue, say thank you for the pointers and don't talk about it any more. It's taking a risk.. but you have the right to take that risk, just don't try to make it a popular technic. :)

Depending on the species, the setup, etc... your chances of something going bad range from 1 to 99%. So don't expect anybody to say... "sure, do it, there's no problem".

Just my 2cents

WYZ

[Gareth]

cheers 4 all your sugestions i will keep in mind

cheers gareth

[Linds]

Originally posted by Gareth
fine i know alot of people who do it even rescue centres but people do have there own opinions and i 100% respect that .


Even if, asides from all the aforementioned risks, one decides to house multiple snakes together, it is stilll of utmost importance that there is an adequate quarantine period of 6 months or more before an outside animals can be introduced. These "rescues" are putting the animals at serious risk, and are not legit IMHO. If any knowledgable rescue preformed this, it would be because it is either that or death - and we should certainly strive for more than next to dead in keeping our reptiles :rolleyes:

Originally posted by seann
i feed them seperately so theirs no conflict

People make the mistake that seperate feedings mean the snakes are safeguarded against feeding mishaps. The scent of the prey lingers on the snakes for quite sometimes, and although sperating them for the actual feeding is a big step towards preventing anything, it certainly is not a guarantee. I've had to pry two (11', 12') burms off eachother in the past due to this, and believe me, it is not fun!

[BoidKeeper]

In my opinion, which I'm basing on things I've read and things that I know large breeders do, I feel that snakes should never be housed together. Here are some points that I keep in mind and reasons why I do not house snakes together.
1. The presence of another animal in their space represents competition, competition leads to stress.
2. Stress leads to loss of appetite and or disease.
3. If one sick gets sick they can both get sick.
4. How do you know who is defecating and who is not?
5. Snakes are not social animals so although captivity its self is not natural forcing two animals to live together is even more unnatural.
Now keeping two different species together can open up a whole new can of worms. Different species can be more susceptible to different diseases. Also they can differ in heat and humidity requirements.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Gareth]

as i said i respect all your coments and suggestions but as most people will agree with me when it comes to keeping snakes together it justs makes a debate which ends up with people not talking,

cheers gareth