kinda pointless but id like to have your opinions

[sketchy4]

im having trouble choosing which avatar i like best so i wanted to ask which one people like the best out of the last 2 i had and the one i have now.

[sketchy4]

or this one

[Soul_Reaper]

I like the second one...Ville looks badass on that one.

[m1k3_88]

I agree wit soul reaper, go with the 2nd

[fateamber]

I like the one you have now.

[Invictus]

2nd one.

[crazyboy]

whatever number this is

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=289415

[snakehunter]

NUMBA TWO YO........J/K Im not that white!?

[sketchy4]

alrighty then ill go with nuber 2! thanks for your opinions!

[Gregg M]

I like #3....... LOL

[snakehunter]

OOps i messed up, i like th pink one,

[MouseKilla]

Who is that chick? She should lay off the the eyeliner and maybe spend some time in a tanning bed.

[sketchy4]

Its Ville Valo the singer from HIM and he is a guy and is STRAIGHT as alot of people do not beleive.

[MouseKilla]

Oh I see... sort of a Robert Smith's ******* child kinda thing, I get it.

[Soul_Reaper]

Originally posted by MouseKilla
Oh I see... sort of a Robert Smith's ******* child kinda thing, I get it.

Not really, but if making fun of the guy because of the way he looks makes you feel better about yourself, then sure. Robert Smith sounds about right...

[scalawag]

I've got to go no 2!!!

[MouseKilla]

SoulReaper,

I wasn't making fun of how the guy looked to feel better about myself, I can never seem to do my make up as well as he has.

I think he did a great job, I don't see any stuble and since I can't see the butt in those pics I couldn't tell it was a guy at all.

Don't take it personally man, I just find it amusing that there is a whole new generation of cape wearing, testoserone deficient teenaged boys still painting their nails black and listening to depressing music. That stuff is fair game for mockery since we're not talking about a birth defect or physical handicap, it's not making fun of how he looks but rather laughing at what he's chosen to do to himself. But hey if it gets him laid I say go for it, I'd do it too if I could play guitar or something...

[Soul_Reaper]

Originally posted by MouseKilla
SoulReaper,

I wasn't making fun of how the guy looked to feel better about myself, I can never seem to do my make up as well as he has.

I think he did a great job, I don't see any stuble and since I can't see the butt in those pics I couldn't tell it was a guy at all.

Don't take it personally man, I just find it amusing that there is a whole new generation of cape wearing, testoserone deficient teenaged boys still painting their nails black and listening to depressing music. That stuff is fair game for mockery since we're not talking about a birth defect or physical handicap, it's not making fun of how he looks but rather laughing at what he's chosen to do to himself. But hey if it gets him laid I say go for it, I'd do it too if I could play guitar or something...

It's hard not to take something personally when someone like you comes out and bashes things that others may enjoy, or even love. I love this band, i have been following them for almost 5 years now, and not once i have judged any of the talented musicians in the band because of the way they look or dress, just because someone may wear black, it doesn't make you or anyone else any better.

By the way, i don't know too much about this "whole new generation" you talk about, as far as i know, personal and depressive lyrics have always been a part of Rock 'N Roll. Capes, makeup, coloured hair and nail polish have been around since the early eighties.

This might be a reality check for you so read closely: Birth defects and physical handicaps are not the only things in life that might get you depressed, upset, suicidal...etc. Some people deal with things differently than others so please keep an open mind before you imply that some kid's favorite band is "laughable" just because of the way they dress...THAT way of thinking is just plain pathetic and selfish.

You say that people who wear capes and paint their nails are testosterone deficient...very nice macho attitude man, that's very "testosterone proficient" of you...lol, keep it up.

Also you said "If it gets him laid i say go for it".....the music you listen to might be THAT brainless, but i think you are missing the point of this band and many others who follow the same genre, getting LAID is not really the target at hand here.

By the way, i've read your sarcasm around the forums before, you sound like the typical "class clown" that you see in every high school class. Always trying to be funny, always being a smartass, but in all truth, it just makes you sound like 12 year old, grow up dude.

[Zoe]

I gotta agree with MouseKilla on this one... people can do/dress what/how they want, but I still find it amusing. I too, thought he was a woman.
I find it strange enough that some women spend upwards of 700$ yearly on getting their nails done, but guys getting manicures and their fingernails painted black?

And let's face it, all that suicidal depressed stuff is all for show and money. Not to say that some people don't actually have problems and need help, but give me a break.... if you actually want to kill yourself because your girlfriend dumped you or your mother drinks, then I think your gene pool is trying to tell you something.

And what do you mean, depression has always been a part of rock and roll? first of all, rock and roll is pretty recent, and when's the last time Elvis wrote a song about how terrible and suicidal the world is, and when did he wear black makeup and nail polish?

Sorry, this "I hate the world and myself and my parents and school so I'll just wear black makeup and do my nails" is extremely temporary and while some people look back and think that some things they did in their childhood was a little silly, many of these will be downright embarassed: "Remember when you were 15 and wore black nail polish and eye liner and lipstick and kept saying you wanted to kill yourself and join satan?"...


getting LAID is not really the target at hand here. Nope, it's making money. These people are hardly being themselves and unique. They saw a niche that had yet to be filled, and found a way to apeal to all the impressionable and "depressed" teenagers who wanted a conformist way to rebel against the "awful" world. And boy did it ever work! I have no idea who this particular person is or the exact music they play, but I am familiar with this genre and it will be short lived and ridiculed.

Just wanted to ad: i am aware that the "dark" look is simply what some people are into and find attractive. Nothing wrong with that. The extremes are what I find laughable.

[marisa]

Wow I didn't think Mousekilla went overboard at all. A little poke of fun here and there keeps people on there toes and laughing. I make fun of how people look all the time, but I aim the best and most jokes at myself. Don't take life to seriously kinda thing.

But then you Zoe, you jump in and actually say saomething as laughable as this:

"I have no idea who this particular person is or the exact music they play, but I am familiar with this genre and it will be short lived and ridiculed."

I see you must have been around for lots of rock and rolls history. For one you admit you know nothing of the band but then state as fact the genre will be ridiculed and "short lived" Says who? You? LOL. Um o.k.

It's a style and way of living just like any other. Hippies...rockers...pop....people into raving...etc...All those musics come with a whole lifestyle of clothing, thoughts, morals, activities, etc. To say it will be "ridiculed" is absolutly the most small minded thing I have ever heard, not to mention totally immature.

When you grow up and join the REAL world, you'll find people no longer care to stick with "their group" people no longer care what someone wears and will be friends with them as long as they are true to themselves....People no longer care who is wearing what in their circle of friends as long as your friends aren't just trying to be cool....normal level headed interesting adults will talk to anyone and be friends with anyone regardless of how they dress...why? Because we aren't in high school anymore and its not looks that matter...Its a person who does what THEY want to do, and doesn't stop or start because of the way people like you think and "ridicule" them.

No offense personally I suppose to you but that whole post of yours was totally immature, small minded and childish. And I am not even a fan of that genre myself. I am a fan of treating people the way they treat me, if someone is cool and decides to wear all red for two years, what the hell do I care? Only people who enjoy wasting time and joining cliques because of clothing make predictions like yours.

Marisa

[marisa]

"The extremes are what I find laughable."

What I find laughable is that you seem to think its "is extremely temporary" Considering those of us who aren't 20 years old remember the whole "goth" crowd from when WE were in high school....YEARS AGO.

Pick up a underground paper, magazine or get some older friends. They will tell you the same thing. Its not new, its been around for ages.

Marisa
P.S. I'd like too add aside from everything I wrote, my ENTIRE point is you saying it "will be ridiculed" makes about as much sense as me declaring brown hair will be ridiculed from now on. What is that a ruling of some sort? LMAO

[MouseKilla]

Originally posted by Soul_Reaper
It's hard not to take something personally when someone like you comes out and bashes things that others may enjoy, or even love. I love this band, i have been following them for almost 5 years now, and not once i have judged any of the talented musicians in the band because of the way they look or dress, just because someone may wear black, it doesn't make you or anyone else any better.

Alright man, you're taking me way too seriously. I never said they weren't musically talented, I couldn't do that because I have never heard of them let alone listened to any of their music. Somehow I just knew that it followed in the tradition of The Cure and Nine Inch Nails from when I was weird 15 year old with issues (though I didn't put on the vampire costume myself).


By the way, i don't know too much about this "whole new generation" you talk about, as far as i know, personal and depressive lyrics have always been a part of Rock 'N Roll. Capes, makeup, coloured hair and nail polish have been around since the early eighties.

Uhhh yeah, early eighies was 20 years ago, 20 later means a new generation. This is now a marketing formula as much the ones used to make boy bands. Same gimmicks, new emotional teenagers to sell to.



Who was talking about making fun of depression? Not me. I was only saying that when you're talking about the way someone looks it is only unfair to make fun if the person can help it. If you are a male that wears make up and nail polish then you can expect some laughs, it comes with the territory so get used to it.

[QUOTE]
You say that people who wear capes and paint their nails are testosterone deficient...very nice macho attitude man, that's very "testosterone proficient" of you...lol, keep it up. [/QUOTE}

LOL! Don't mind if I do keep it up, thanks (the wife kinda likes it too!) hahaha

[QUOTE]
Also you said "If it gets him laid i say go for it".....the music you listen to might be THAT brainless, but i think you are missing the point of this band and many others who follow the same genre, getting LAID is not really the target at hand here.

Zoe hit this one on the head, you're right getting laid is just a welcomed side effect of this pop-goth marketing ploy. The main goal is cash.


By the way, i've read your sarcasm around the forums before, you sound like the typical "class clown" that you see in every high school class. Always trying to be funny, always being a smartass, but in all truth, it just makes you sound like 12 year old, grow up dude.

Twelve eh? Well that more credit than people who like me would usually give me. lol! I'll admit to being a smartass, it's my gift, it's my curse, what can I say aboot that? But just so you know, you got me all wrong here I think, I'm laughing nostalgically because I was one of the "freaks" way back before I got kicked out of highschool, not some wedgie giving, football tossing jock. Maybe it's time you grew up and stopped taking yourself and some silly band so seriously.

[marisa]

I agree the main goal is cash.

What I do NOT agree with is someone stating something as fact when they clearly know nothing about what they are talking about...ie.. Zoe and her opinion of fashion trends LMAO. The bottom of her post was simply ridiculous.

Marisa

[sketchy4]

i could really care less about how they look. i mena the members of one of my favorite bands Slipknot wear masks and i just think it makes them that much more unique. as for the music they play being short lived, id say that would be quite doubtful. HIM didnt become one of the biggest and most popular bands in Europe if people thought their genre of music would be short lived. and i beleive the members of HIM dont play just for the money, i beleive they are mostly in it for the fans. but as for Mousekilla. Marisa, Zoe, and Soul Reaper you are all entitled to your own opinions and i respect that.

[Matt_K]

for as far back as i can remember, i have always been into Rap/Hip Hop (now i know that 95% of the people on this site i will say, 'rap is crap' and what not, but i could care less).. That being said, i have not stopped talking to friends of mine cause they went punk, or goth or whatever, i could care less what they wear, how they talk or what they listen to, if one of them wants to paint his nails black and wear puffy shirts, that's his choice, and i wouldn't bug him about it or whatever. But if someone else did, i would be right there to defend him.. Hell, im still friends with Shane, even if he does have pics of guys in tight jeans playing the guitar in his bedroom. Let's not take a thread about what avatar someone should have, and turn it into a fight over what people should and shouldn't wear..

[sketchy4]

Matt K, i dont think people will say "rap is crap", i certainly know i dont think so. now do i listen to rap? no. do i hate it?of course not, i just have a different music preference thats all. now my best friend listens to nothing but rap and is what people consider a "prep". i think we are all the same and people need to quite puttin people into different categorys depending on what they wear and listen to. if you cant do that i think you need to grow up.

[Matt_K]

hehehe, check some of the past threads about music bro, or just type 'rap is crap' in a search, you'll be suprised. LOL. I could care less what people listen to.. Music doesnt make a person, neither does clothing..

[MouseKilla]

Just to show I'm a good sport here's one of me. A hundred and thirty pounds of coffee and sarcasm (and in this case some chocolate fudge icing). Do your worst.

[MouseKilla]

Ever wonder what happens when freaks breed? This kid is more goth than you'll ever be in your arm cutting life. Don't make fun of her, she was born that way.

[WRX]

Interesting thread. The feeling I get from the whole "Goth" thing is that it is really a lifestyle for hard core fans. The $$$ point is a valid one, as I own a small recording studio, and have been in the recording bizz for 15 years....believe me, as pure and honest the musicians seem to be, money is a huge part of it, as it has to be! They do it for a living!
Although I have never been impressed by the playing or songwriting of the "goth" bands, there are good ones and bad ones, just as there is "Good" rap and bad rap.

One last word on rap, most has no melody, so it is really not "music" by definition.
I'm a song guy, need a song! :mad:

BT

[sketchy4]

again everybody is entitled to their own opinion and i dont really like that fact that some people put other people into categories based on what they wear or listen to. we are all the same underneath.

[Zoe]

I have no problems with fashion trends, as stated. People can dress how they want and do what they want; i may find it a little strange but they can go right ahead. What bothers me is all this "im depressed, i hate the world, i want to kill myself, i hate my parents, lets all get high and die of a drug overdose" punk rock stuff. Goth has nothing to do with music (well, not in origins)... rock and roll is from the 50's, gothic is obvious much older.
How is saying that people who go around sulking, hating everything and telling everyone how they want to kill themselves are ridiculed (i already know they are, by many) saying that having brown hair is ridiculous? The latter is a physical aspect determined by DNA, whereas the other is a "i want to be different by being like every depressed teen out there" overbearing way of life.

I don't like seeing people wearing t-shirts saying "F... EVERYTHING!" or hearing these horribly depressing "rock" songs that DO make you want to die.

For one you admit you know nothing of the band but then state as fact the genre will be ridiculed and "short lived" Says who? You? LOL. Um o.k. You think, in 50 years, people will have replaced the "king" with this band?

To say it will be "ridiculed" is absolutly the most small minded thing I have ever heard, not to mention totally immature. But... it is ridiculed. At least hippies and ravers are trying to have fun or trying to change something. The people to who I am refering just walk around scowling at everybody at trying to make everyone miserable because they are.

When you grow up and join the REAL world, you'll find people no longer care to stick with "their group" people no longer care what someone wears and will be friends with them as long as they are true to themselves That's the point. THis whole "I hate everything" is so terribly artificial. It never lasts (how many 50 year olds paint their nails black? maybe some, but other styles are much longer lived) And what world is this you are speaking of? One where some freak on the bus with a black mohawk, white face, black lips, etc tries to scare old ladies by moving towards their faces quickly and yelling?

normal level headed interesting adults will talk to anyone and be friends with anyone regardless of how they dress So you'd go up to a guy standing on a street corner, frowning at everything with swear words on his shirts, blasting vulgar, depressing music as loud as possible, and say "hey, lets be friends!"?

I am a fan of treating people the way they treat me, if someone is cool and decides to wear all red for two years, what the hell do I care? When did I talk about wearing all red? I think you missed my point completely - i am talking about these depressed teens who try and rub their misery off on other people. People can dress dark or bright hot pink and while I may not aproach them for fun, it wont make a difference in my mind. It's when they sit in hallways listening to disturbing music and telling me about how life is horrible that I start to ridicule. Do you not know these people? Who still have not figured themselves out and are trying to be so very different by scaring people and looking depressed?

Because we aren't in high school anymore and its not looks that matter...
No, YOU aren't in highschool. Why are badmouthing students? Yeesh. I am in highschool, I take the city bus there and back daily, and with those two things (bus + high school students) combined I see a lot of questionable people and I have had my fill of these "pity me because im on heroin and want an overdose because mommy didnt get my a new computer" teenagers that no longer exist in YOUR "real world" because by the time they get there, they have grown out of this phase.

And then these bands encourage it! It's fine to play about sadness or whatever, but give the youth of today a break.

[marisa]

"You think, in 50 years, people will have replaced the "king" with this band?"

Are you obsessed with Elvis? There are thousands of other bands that have not done as well as Elvis who have made severe impacts on social and music areas. I am sorry you aren't aware of them!

"But... it is ridiculed. At least hippies and ravers are trying to have fun or trying to change something. The people to who I am refering just walk around scowling at everybody at trying to make everyone miserable because they are."

They are trying to change something? LMAO Have you ever been to a rave? OMG yeah thats all about change. Changing your mental state from normal to high on X or dancing all night. Yeah real world changers. LOL. There is NO differance between hippies, ravers or goth people. One is into peace, one is into getting dancing etc. Its all the same in the end. A lifestyle choice.

"So you'd go up to a guy standing on a street corner, frowning at everything with swear words on his shirts, blasting vulgar, depressing music as loud as possible, and say "hey, lets be friends!"?"

What does this have to do with me talking to people regardless of how they dress? No Zoe I wouldn't talk to an apparent crazy man on a street corner. Your logic is hard to follow and your comparisions are WAY OUT THERE.

"When did I talk about wearing all red? "

I won't even address this in detail. It's painfully obvious you missed my point ENTIRELY.

"It's when they sit in hallways listening to disturbing music and telling me about how life is horrible that I start to ridicule"

So you are saying when someone who you don't like in the first places starts talking to you, you not only ridicule them but you continue listening to both what they have to say and note the music they are listening too? Wow you think HIGHLY of yourself to say you actually ridicule someone else for listening to music, being depressed or even wearing black. Why is it your business?

"I have had my fill of these "pity me because im on heroin and want an overdose because mommy didnt get my a new computer" teenagers that no longer exist in YOUR "real world" because by the time they get there, they have grown out of this phase."

I have had my fill of teenagers, actually adults, people in general.... like you who really have no clue how to be a good person and take people for whats in their heads and not whats on their backs. A teenager hasn't had their "fill" of anything yet. You want to talk about heroin junkies? You have had YOUR fill? LMFAO!!!! You live in TORONTO! I grew up in Los Angeles with three in my family. Don't talk to me about a fill on the city bus. LMAO hahaha your ideas on addicts are silly. LOL. You are talking about pot smoking teens who may try heroin once for attention or a thrill once its beyond that neither music, computers nor parents matter...but i understand your point from your relatively small exposure to true addicts...I guess.....your post was not thought out and your statements in your original post were closed minded, immature, and rude.

"Why are badmouthing students?"

Where did I bad mouth students? Are you reading someone elses post Zoe? LOL. I am bad mouthing your "I am queen and i can ridicule anyone i wish" attitude. It may keep your friends in school but it gets you nowhere in life.

"but give the youth of today a break."

How about if they don't like it, they don't have to buy it.

If you are honestly telling me you get kicks out of "ridiculiing" people because they listen to music, are depressed or wear black...turn the other way. If you don't like drug addicts complaining, don't listen. But the fact is your comments had nothing to do with anything else. You just decided to jump in, like usual, with your "opinion" and state you ridicule people for things you can easily ignore.

Marisa

[marisa]

"Do you not know these people? Who still have not figured themselves out and are trying to be so very different by scaring people and looking depressed?"

Why would you waste time "ridiculing" them if you hate them so much Zoe? Who is more ridiculous...someone doing what they want which may not agree with others ideas...or the person who constantly ridicules and complaines others who don't share theirs?

Yeah.

Marisa

[Zoe]

I made two references to Elvis. I'm using him as my example because of his popularity and impact. I don't think that that denotes an obsession.

Hippies were trying to change something, weren't they? I wasn't refering to ravers. I'm sure some hippies just followed the style of those who were actually attempting to effect a change, which is fine.

No Zoe I wouldn't talk to an apparent crazy man on a street corner. What's crazy about him? He's just dressed in black listening to terribly depressing music and scowling at passers-by. Maybe, inside, he's a charming young man. Makes no difference, it's not someone you'd approach (you as in anyone). You said he's crazy, I don't think he's crazy just desperate for attention.

How about if they don't like it, they don't have to buy it. Many don't, which is good. But thousands more are impressionable, and these bands know it.

Why would you waste time "ridiculing" them if you hate them so much Zoe? Who is more ridiculous...someone doing what they want which may not agree with others ideas...or the person who constantly ridicules and complaines others who don't share theirs? Like the world ridiculed, huh? Like I said, people can do what they want, as long as they don't stuff their suicidal ways in my face. If they didn't bother me, I wouldn't be bothered by them. Their ideas are "im depressed, my parents dont pay attention to me, i want to kill myself, i hate school, like sucks, i hate you, i hate me, i hate everyone, i hate life" and frankly it grows tiresome. Would you be especially tolerant of and kind to a young guy who frequently aproached you, and others, saying "hey you know what man, life SUCKS. my parents hate me, im just going to kill myself. you should too. you probably think youre happy but man youre being BRAINWASHED. youre just clued out man. i hate life." despite frequent attempts at saying "relax, you'll live longer."? No, because it gets annoying. What I find to laughable is these kids who can seem to find attention nowhere but by telling people about how life sucks and how they plan on killing themselves.

Don't talk to me about a fill on the city bus.
Okay, sorry, didn't know I wasn't allowed.

A teenager hasn't had their "fill" of anything yet.
Really? I'd hate to see how I'll feel in 10 years then.

LMAO hahaha your ideas on addicts are silly. LOL. You are talking about pot smoking teens who may try heroin once for attention or a thrill once its beyond that neither music, computers nor parents matter
No, I'm not. I'm talking about the group that cuts class to shoot up. Then they don't even have to pain the bags under their eyes.

but i understand your point from your relatively small exposure to true addicts
That was my whole point. You took the world "ridicule" and applied it everything you could (like, brown hair, or red clothes!) I don't care what people do, until they start to try and convince me to do heroin or kill myself.

your post was not thought out and your statements in your original post were closed minded, immature, and rude.
*shrug* perhaps, but I think my point has been made by now. I contend with these people every day (dont get mad for saying that, i know how terribly exposed your childhood in L.A. was and I'm not trying to compare my childhood to yours because ive lived a wonderfully sheltered life in rural toronto) and as I said, I've had my fill of them. I've had enough of walking into my hallway which is blasting with "death" and "devil worshipping" music. No, I don't CHOOSE to listen to this type of music, it's just there for me to listen to.

Who is more ridiculous...someone doing what they want which may not agree with others ideas...or the person who constantly ridicules and complaines others who don't share theirs?
Quite the generalization there! I'm not ridiculing people for doing what they want. When did I say "I hate and ridicule everyone who doesn't do exactly what I do?" Who is more ridiculous... some teenager gets sucked into the depressing music hole because they realize they can get more attention by being rude and mean and dressing "scary" and talking about the devil to old ladies on the bus (again, im sure youre buses were much worse.) or the person who laughs at him for being so desperate for attention that he'd so such a thing?

Yeah.

Once, AGAIN. My point is NOT that people should be automatones and do exactly what I do "or else." My point is that can do what they want, I just don't want to hear about the various ways and reasons one can kill oneself, all the while listening to depressing music and lyrics.
Zoe

[daver676]

I'm still not sure what "group" I was a part of in high school, and I graduated 6 years ago. I hung out with the "smokers", which to many would say that I was a "skid". But I also played football, and was also an active member of the band AND the drama club. So I guess I was a "Skiddyjocknerd".

I think with an type of extreme, whether it be from dressing in a "dark" fashion, or having a big stereo in your car, it comes down to wanting to be noticed by others, and perhaps deep down inside some people that do this kind of stuff, are trying to make up for a short-coming in another part of their lives. Just my $.02.

Mousekilla,

Just to show I'm a good sport here's one of me. A hundred and thirty pounds of coffee and sarcasm (and in this case some chocolate fudge icing). Do your worst.

OK here goes.....

At least it's not another kind of sticky stuff. *groans*

[Soul_Reaper]

Alright man, you're taking me way too seriously. I never said they weren't musically talented, I couldn't do that because I have never heard of them let alone listened to any of their music. Somehow I just knew that it followed in the tradition of The Cure and Nine Inch Nails from when I was weird 15 year old with issues (though I didn't put on the vampire costume myself).

Ok, stop assuming. First of all, LISTEN to the band first, THEN you say sh i t if you don't like it, this band has absolutely nothing to do with Nine Inch Nails, maybe a little The Cure but still...you are shooting your darts out the window here man.

Uhhh yeah, early eighies was 20 years ago, 20 later means a new generation. This is now a marketing formula as much the ones used to make boy bands. Same gimmicks, new emotional teenagers to sell to.

Huh...ok, allow me to repeat myself then...actually, let me put this in simpler terms for you just so you understand ok? Makeup, nailpolish, Coloured hair have been around since the early eighties, get it? It's is NOT a new generation, like you said, this whole genre and lifestyle has been around for 20 years. Of course, some things have changed and some genres have branched into different styles, but the foundation is still there.

Like you said, you were NEVER a musician. How you are you comparing this music to Boy Bands just baffles me, once again it just proves the point that you are just trying to stir sh i t up for the hell of it, and once again i'll say: Grow up.

Zoe hit this one on the head, you're right getting laid is just a welcomed side effect of this pop-goth marketing ploy. The main goal is cash.

I feel like i'm gonna be repeating myself to you for as long as this thread is alive, cash is not the target at hand here man. These guys are musicians, not talentless whores like Spears or Timberlake. These are people who have spent their lives dedicating to their respective instruments to become masters at what they do, all jokes and sarcasm aside, this band is good. I've been playing the drums for over 9 years now, and i want music to be my life, i have 3 bands and i am constantly playing shows around Toronto (if you need any proof, let me know) and the area, this business has gotten so tough because of the self proclaimed Pop whores, they don't make music. So please, do not compare them anymore, it's unfare.

ZOE :
I have no problems with fashion trends, as stated. People can dress how they want and do what they want; i may find it a little strange but they can go right ahead. What bothers me is all this "im depressed, i hate the world, i want to kill myself, i hate my parents, lets all get high and die of a drug overdose" punk rock stuff. Goth has nothing to do with music (well, not in origins)... rock and roll is from the 50's, gothic is obvious much older.

LMFAO! Do you even know what band we are talking about here? Did you even read the entire thread before sticking your thumb in it? You clearly don't know what punk rock is, and i highly doubt that you have ever heard HIM. They have NOTHING to do with hating the world or overdosing. Like i just said to Mousekilla, GET THE FACTS first and criticise later, you two are taking a blatant stab at a band just because of they way they look and assuming all sorts of crap!!!

First of all, i'm NOT depressed. I have a loving family, a great dad who i go karting with everytime i go back home, great friends, a cat, snakes and above all a great girl who i have been with for almost 2 years now who i love very much. I dislike Slipknot and Korn just as much as you all do, i listen to other types of music, mainly european, mostly metal and hardrock. We are talking about the band HIM here and even though they dress black, they have NOTHING to do with depression or drugs. F#$@ man!!! Why is it so hard to get you people to understand this? All i'm trying to say is that judging someone just because of the way they look is UNFARE, simple as that. Geez man.......

[foman]

WOW what a crazy thread, Anyways I myself listen to hip hop/rap most of the time but i do like ALL MUSIC. Depending on what mood I'm in plays a total factor of what tunes I put on, If I just wanna relax and puff a doob than I usually go with the reggae(Bob Marley Jimmy Cliff etc) If I'm crusing down the highway I might go with some Hard stuff like 2pac,Gangstarr,Bdp,Jay-z or even some (OLD)Metallica Or Megadeth, Led Zep, AC/DC, If I'm chillin' with my girl than I'd probably go with some R&B(R kelly,Jagged Edge,Kieth Sweat). People shouldn't be Judgemental on music or be so influenced by it, just take it for what u get out of it, if u don't like it change the channel/station. There is alot of junky music out there(like most top40 pop) but different strokes for different folks.

I do laugh to myself if I see some1 that is super freaky but I've seen it all so it has to be pretty extravagant.

I just don't understand why you would wake up in the mourning and try to figure out how to make yourself uglyer than u already are. J/K inside joke.

WRX
As for Hip hop/Rap not being "Music" your kidding yourself. Rap is samples taken from other "Music" which would make it impossible to say it is not music. Some of the best lyricist/Songwriters are rappers, just look at Jay-z the guy has unreal musical talent.


Oh-ya I like the second one.:hammer:

[marisa]

Yeah I won't even bother to reply to that because you are more fake and more see through than any goth kid ever has been.....whatever you need to tell yourself to feel like a better person Zoe.

HAHAHAHAHA oh man your reply slayed me.

Marisa

[mrsogle]

Sketchy4:
I bet you didn't think a simple post of "Which avatar" would turn out like this.:)
I like pic #2.

[Soul_Reaper]

Edited.

[Soul_Reaper]

And by the way, i'm not a goth or whatever it is that you guys call it, i never said i was. I don't like to label myself.

I just thought i should clear that up.

[daver676]

Originally posted by Soul_Reaper
And by the way, i'm not a goth or whatever it is that you guys call it, i never said i was.

No offense, but what do you call it?

[marisa]

It was directed to Zoe since she has been totally incapable of justifying her very "I am the **** and I have been through all lifes lessons so I can make fun of anyone" comment on ridiculing people. The comment did nothing but make her look pathetic and laughable. Hence the reason I will not debate it with her anymore....she cannot justify her silly shallow minded statement in her first post so she is rambling on and on and I am laughing on and on. Typical know it all, I am better than you attitude that is all over every high school. HAHAHA oh it was good entertainment though.

And that's definitly my last post in this thread.

Marisa

[Dark_Angel_25]

hey sould reaper, I think Marisa was talking about Zoe... not you.. to me she seemed to be 'fighting' for people to be able to do and act and dress they way they want, whereas Zoe was more like well they get in my face etc etc.... but who knows anymore!!
I say if it makes you FEEL good, then DO IT... if it makes others uncomfortable, well they can leave.

Just my $0.02

[Soul_Reaper]

Originally posted by daver676
No offense, but what do you call it?

What do i call what?

And Marisa: I completely misunderstood your post and i have edited it already, i apologize. At first i thought that you had it directed to me so...my bad.

I must say i agree with you, i think we both kinda share the same perspective here.

[JimmyDavid]

Hey Soul reaper, caga pra todo o mundo!! Be yourself...

[Soul_Reaper]

Originally posted by JimmyDavid
Hey Soul reaper, caga pra todo o mundo!! Be yourself...

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Vc fala portugues mesmo ou soh sabe essa frase?

[JimmyDavid]

I can't believe you're asking that? Check my location.
O problema destes forums é quem todos têm opiniões diferentes e torna-se dificil concordar. O melhor mesmo será deixar opiniões pessoais de fora.
I don't know if the forum regulations let us post in any language we want?

[Soul_Reaper]

Originally posted by JimmyDavid
I can't believe you're asking that? Check my location.
O problema destes forums é quem todos têm opiniões diferentes e torna-se dificil concordar. O melhor mesmo será deixar opiniões pessoais de fora.
I don't know if the forum regulations let us post in any language we want?

I agree with you, i'll pm you instead.

[Linds]

I think there are waaay too many stereotypes and labels being passed around in this "arguement". Just because someone dresses a certain way doesn't mean they listen to a certain type of music or have certain type of personality and thoughts, it doesn't mean they are confused, wanting attention, or are doing anything for money or anyone other than themselves. Do whatever floats your boat, and of course there will always be people that have different motivations, but nobody should assume that anyone that dresses that way is, or that they are all alike.

Originally posted by Dark_Angel_25

I say if it makes you FEEL good, then DO IT... if it makes others uncomfortable, well they can leave.


Cheers to that! :D

[Nicky]

i like the second one.
Soul Reaper what kind of music do your bands play? next time u guys r having a show plz e-mail me at kaylayoung@rogers.com as my pm inbox has been wierd lately I always love hearing new bands:)
kayla

btw i think everyone should just chill out after all its only music
just my 2 cents thoe.

[MouseKilla]

Can't we all just agree that music was perfected in 1989 when Bon Jovi released "Slippery When Wet"?

Let's just chill out here and not smudge our mascara. I want to appologize to HIM because they have been so unfairly abused in this thread. I just got off the phone with David Bowie and appearently he got the idea for Ziggy Stardust from HIM so I guess I was wrong.

Now if you'll excuse me I have Knickle Back tickets to buy. LOL!

[reptiguy123]

Well, that ended well.:D BTW, I like #2.

[sketchy4]

Originally posted by mrsogle
Sketchy4:
I bet you didn't think a simple post of "Which avatar" would turn out like this.:)
I like pic #2.

I had no idea!
as for HIM being the kind of band writing music about wanting to kill yourself because something bad happened in your life or hating the world is the total opposite. HIM's songs are mostly about wanting to fall in love and being in love with the most important person in your life. as for the song Join Me In Death, that song is about dying with the person you love because its the only way out of something. that is really the only song from them that is pretty obvious about commiting suicide. but w/e. as i say AGAIN, its your opinion.

[Lisa]

I've never heard HIM (unless they get on the radio out here in the midle of no where) but after all this debate (some by people who have probably never heard the band), I'm curious. do they have any free tracks for download?

[sketchy4]

Lisa, if you go to heartagram.com, you can listen to almost all of their songs. hope you like them!

[Gregg M]

You guys got too caught up in all this......... I could give a rats @$$ what music, style of dress, type of make up(if applicable)lol, or if you wear nail polish....... I grew up in NYC...... I have seen it all people........ I see it before you guys do..... This is where it all starts.....LOL My point is everyone should grow up alittle...... Oh and I wish Brittany was really a *****, I would have her here in a second but I would not let her sing.....LOL...... Everyone should just buy a Harley and take a ride with me......

[WRX]

Its SO cool that everyone is so commited to there taste in music.
I was in recording school in FL 15 years ago, and Bruce Swedien, who recorded everything from MJ's Thriller to Duke Ellington was asked from a classmate "What kind of music do you like?"


He answered "Good music"

I loved it.

Nuff Said!;)

BT

[Soul_Reaper]

Originally posted by WRX
Its SO cool that everyone is so commited to there taste in music.
I was in recording school in FL 15 years ago, and Bruce Swedien, who recorded everything from MJ's Thriller to Duke Ellington was asked from a classmate "What kind of music do you like?"


He answered "Good music"

I loved it.

Nuff Said!;)

BT

Now THAT was a good post. Well said WRX.

i like the second one.
Soul Reaper what kind of music do your bands play? next time u guys r having a show plz e-mail me at kaylayoung@rogers.com as my pm inbox has been wierd lately I always love hearing new bands
kayla

btw i think everyone should just chill out after all its only music
just my 2 cents thoe.

Hi Nicky thanks for your interest, i got your e-mail and i'll be sending you a couple of links for some mp3's, if you want any pics from live shows and whatnot just let me know, i'll be more than glad to show you.

Cheers all.