Hoggies are gettin big!

[snakehunter]

So do you think there should be a hognose forum on ssnakess.com, all the other forum sites have them, and every other post here seems to be about hogs!

[sapphire_moon]

Oh I think there should be! They are rear fanged (or venomous, even if it is only mild) yet they are colubrid! They should have a forum all their own!

[Beardonicus]

Hognoses are not venomous....they have a toxic saliva. The enlarged teeth in the back of their mouths do not inject venom nor do they have venom glands.

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Originally posted by Beardonicus
Hognoses are not venomous....they have a toxic saliva. The enlarged teeth in the back of their mouths do not inject venom nor do they have venom glands.
Beardonicus,
Hognose snakes possess a "true venom" rich in enzymes and low concentrations of neurotoxins, it is not a "toxic saliva" per se.....
If you are interested in more information you should visit Dr. Bryan Grieg Fry's venom information website or discuss it with him personally, he's a member on this site.
Cheers,
R

[sapphire_moon]

Here Beardonicus go read this thread......http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35879

It explains alot...

[m1k3_88]

maybe instead just a hognose forum, they shuld just make it a general rear fanged, for vines and things like that too

[sapphire_moon]

non venomous to mildly venomous rear fanged snakes forum.......thats a long forum name lol


non-mildly venomous rear fanged snakes

there that is shorter.....:)

[Swampwalker]

Just before xmas I was tryig to decide what kind of snake to get next, and decided upon a western hognose because I hadn't seen many people talking about them and you don't hear about them much. Shortly after I made my decision, hognose posts started popping up all over the place here. Everyone getting them for xmas or looking for them at the next show. So much for picking something different :) LOL . I think a hognose forum would be great.

E. hognose is still on my list of species to find in Ontario.

[Nicky]

i'm all for a seperate hognose forum maybe we should pm one of the moderators?

[sapphire_moon]

I emailed the webmaster asking him if it was possible to have a new forum dedicated to non venomous- mildly venomous rear fanged snakes........lets just see what he says.

[JD@reptiles]

i think there should be a rear fang forum. i have had people bug me about posting vine snakes in the venomous forums.

[Linds]

Sapphire,
There are no rear-fanged snakes that are completely non-venomous, that would defeat the purpose of having fangs.

[sapphire_moon]

ahhhh I wasn't to sure of that!

Thanks for clearing that up. So are SOME rear fanged snakes just less venomous than others?

so maybe a "mildly venomous rear fanged" forum?

[Linds]

I'll bring up the idea of a rear-fanged forum ;)

[sapphire_moon]

Thank you linds!

[gonesnakee]

In reguards to the Venom thing, there is some disturbing new research out there that proves almost all Colubrids have mild forms of Venom. Dr. Bryan Fry (? I think thats right) of Austraila is doing the research & there are threads about it on these forums.
Mark
P.S. Venom is basically saliva, is it not.

[sapphire_moon]

I would think that saliva is spit basicly, coming from the snakes mouth/throat, and venom comes from glands up in it's mouth or something like that, and being injected into (through the fangs) of it's prey. or coming down grooves in the teeth?????

I don't know if it is saliva or not, just a thought.
Edit:

Just had to add.......

OH NO!!!!!! ATTACK OF THE KILLER CORN SNAKE!!!!!!!


lol :)

[snakey]

Hold on a minute... in my opinion, all snakes are venomous! And I'm not the only one who thinks so. Venom is saliva. Saliva is venom. Some "saliva" is more toxic than others. Even the saliva of the common garter snake can at least partialy imobilize it's prey. All "saliva" is designed to do two things,... imobilize, and begin beaking down tissue to start the digestive process. The saliva of each species differs in degree of these two powers. As for the hog nose forum, sounds good. They are a fascinating animal to say the least!

[sapphire_moon]

Venom comes from glands, not saliva. It aids in catching prey, (some snakes just bite, "inject" venom and release, only to follow the prey to eat it after it has died or slowed down enough for the snake to catch it) The venom starts breaking down the tissue, aiding in digestion. And as the rodent (bird, frog whatever) starts to die, it slows down, or "immobolizes" it.

Even a Human Beings saliva starts breaking food down as soon as you eat it. Ever spit on your car and let it dry, THEN try to take it off. Not very pretty, your spit actually eats the paint!

[snakehunter]

Some snakes DO have certain agents in the saliva, such as an anticoagulant, meaning the saliva prevents blood from cloting, and they prey doesnt bleed to death, but they do get woozy or something like that, i cant remember.

[rwg]

Saliva doesn't just come from your mouth...it also comes from glands, and is delivered by ducts to your mouth. I've heard venom described as "modified saliva". I dont know what defines venom, but it probably has to do with toxic agents.