Rant - Chameleon Forum

[dank7oo]

I will not longer be posting on the said forum. This is a decission i have made over the past 6 months. Many of you may have noticed I am here less and less often and the weeks go bye. In all honesty, I love this site, and I love a lot of people who I have met here. Many of you I talk to reguarly outside of this website, and enjoy your 'company' if you will. You know who you are.

I have read several posts on this forum in particular that have made me come to my senses about posting here any longer. I have always beeen a fan of how the people on this site conduct themselves, and how information is expressed maturely and knowledgeablly. However, in he past week or so, I have seen many posts that personally rub me the wrong way.

Not getting into specifics, however, do not question people who have experiance, have knowledge, and are trying to help you. An epidemic of posts by people who are giving information about chameleons by their one experiance and what they have read, and telling people with much more experiance they are wrong :confused: does not make sence to me. Information that I, after 4 years have owning chameleons, and now about to obtain my fifth, is still cautious about giving out. Information I feel is best left to the experts, not an internet article written by 'Big Bertha'.

I will continue to post on other forums on the site, but I no longer want to be a part of this charade.

Jason

[Dark_Angel_25]

Personally I think that that is a very sad decision, because where does that leave new cham owners?
It leaves them getting their information from these people you are talking about, and that is a VERY sad thing, as in the end, it will be the animal that suffers.

There are people who post the kind of threads that you are talking about on every forum. just ignore them. you can't make them change, but you can give your information and know at least that you tried, and if they don't take your advice, well you gave it and can feel good knowing at least if something does go wrong, it wasn't because of lack of information, just ignorance.

[dank7oo]

I just dont want my years of hard work and information being available to people who are going to ignore it and tear it apart.

Jason

[Dark_Angel_25]

well dank it is ultimately your choice. I just don't think it is the smartest thing to do to deprive ppl of your info. besides in the REAL world, you always have someone who doesn't agree with you... it cannot be helped. all you do is ignore them and move on.

there are infinetly more people who do listen and care than those who don't,

IMHO

[Sean Day]

Originally posted by dank7oo
Not getting into specifics, however, do not question people who have experiance, have knowledge, and are trying to help you.

Questioning the advice given be it from the experienced or the beginner is a good thing. As soon as you stop questioning, our husbandry fails to move forward.

[drewlowe]

Even if they don't take the info give at least you can say you tried, and even though that person didn't accept your info you don't know who else reads it that will.

You take the good with the bad anywhere, even the other forums have that going on.

[meow_mix450]

dank has a relaly good point you guys might not see it but ive been here half a year, and dank almost a year, when i jined it was a great community, but as i slowly post, its gotten meener and meener, people not respecting other people, a lot of information that we give out is in our own experenice, were not trying to start a war here, poor trace about a month ago had this guy, saying stuff, that wasnt needed, saying shes wrong.......havnt seen her post for quite a long time......but this is all in my opinion, and i respect your choice, if you wish, ill keep in touch with ya

Meow

[dank7oo]

Thanks meow.
I wont totally distance myself from the forums, but i will not be here are readily as before. If some changes are to the quality of the posts,I will slowly be here more and more. But until that time, I will not be here as much. I just dont want my time being wasted (no offence).

Jason

[drewlowe]

Originally posted by meow_mix450
dank has a relaly good point you guys might not see it but ive been here half a year, and dank almost a year, when i jined it was a great community, but as i slowly post, its gotten meener and meener, people not respecting other people, a lot of information that we give out is in our own experenice, were not trying to start a war here, poor trace about a month ago had this guy, saying stuff, that wasnt needed, saying shes wrong.......havnt seen her post for quite a long time......but this is all in my opinion, and i respect your choice, if you wish, ill keep in touch with ya

Meow

I get your point i've been here for almost a year and i've seen the good and the bad. Most of the negative posters aren't here that long anyway.

And yes most of my information comes from reading and experinces, How else am i going to learn or share info with people.

The problem that happend with trace, have you even seen that person post again, NOT ME. Trouble makers come and go all the time, it's something we have to deal with same with the repeditive Questions we get.

I miss Trace and Eyespys knowlegable posts, but if all the experinced people leave how are the newbies going to learn. It's not all about the people it's about the animals too.

[Zoe]

Oh come on, what can you except? Everyone to say "thank you, i'll do exactly that!"... that's what we'd all like to hear when we give advice, but it'll never happen every single time. people have different opinions, have heard/read different things, and they will often question your directives. It isn't personal, they are (usually) just trying to figure out the best and easiest way. In some cases they are in the wrong and I feel sorry for these people's chameleons, and in others they are genuinely trying to improve the advice given to people.

Someone has a question, you answer it... the rest is up to them - either they take the advice, don't take it, or question it. Things wouldn't ever more forward otherwise. It is too bad that you think that way, and it is, of course, up to you; but I think you are expecting far too much from people and getting overly upset when you don't get that.

Zoe

[Shane Tesser]

I usually don't take part in these kind of threads..but i feel like it for some strange reason with this one. I can only relate to aquariums as its something ive kept over 25 years now. I guess over the years ive learned about 75% of what i know from reading....but even with this there is variences from author to author. Ive probably learned 20% through my own trial and error, and the rest comes from what others have taught or told me.

I guess you have to look at advice like this. This is the internet. There will always be debate, difference of opinions, and general mis-information. The key to any advice is this....research, check and double check! Why anyone would follow any advice is beyond me! When i give it...i hope fully well that someone still does theyre research...heck...prove me wrong!!! Education is the only real way to good advice....the rest is just scrambled ideas.

[ChokeOnSmoke]

Even if 1 out of of every 10 takes your advice isn't it worth it? People with real life experience are invaluable to the site and its members. I know I really appreciate and respect certain members for their advice from personal experiences and willingness to answer posts even if they have answered them before. Its your choice if you post or not just remember there are people who appreciate the advice and use it.

[meow_mix450]

o i completly agree with every and single one of you, but it seems that the problem is the people hoo read te threads and saying that its wrong to do this and that, but yes your right tose people leave quick, thank god, is it cause trace a eyespy leave??? someone keep me up to date, i really missed them, it seems like im the only one in the fourm that really knows some cham stuff most have left:(.........not saying i kno everything........but drewlowe your right

Meow

[dank7oo]

:) Meow.
I know about chameleons :) lol

Trace I beleive is gone for good. She got very frusterated and isn't coming back. I wasn't going to say anything but you did bring it up.

As for how this thread is being inturpreted, not at all how I meant it to be. I am very happy and thrilled when people take proper care of their animals and when they receive the correct advice. What I am frusterated with is 1. People telling true experts they are incorrect and like i mentioned before, quoting 'Big Bertha'. 2. The incorrect advice being given out be owners, that could in fact harn the animal in question. If you don't want to take proper care of your animal that is one thing, but preaching the incorrect information is another.

Sorry if I have in any way offended anyone. (PS. Does the new mod even own a chameleon? I know it is a weird question, but in order to, not language wise, moderate the actual info being advised. I think mods should be responsible for correcting absolutley obserd and dangerous advice. IMHO)

Jason

[Zoe]

Mods aren't here for correct mistakes, they are here to MODERATE our dehaviours so we don't insult the heck out of each other. The mods aren't mods because they are super experts, they are mods because they can avoid getting involved and most of them are respected. What if someone didn't agree with the mod's advice? That would start a whole mess. This forum is for people to share ideas and debate, not for mods to tell us all how to raise our animals.

1. People telling true experts they are incorrect and like i mentioned before, quoting 'Big Bertha'. If these people truly think that the real "advice" is wrong, it's up to the knowledgeable people to correct them! If they've read something (big bertha?) then they will believe it and contradict other things. If no one is around to tell them that they are wrong, they will do the wrong thing and thus hurt their animal.

2. The incorrect advice being given out be owners, that could in fact harn the animal in question. Once again, this is because they have learned something incorrect but believe that it is right. They must be shown, through proofs and examples, the real route to take. If they are left to believe that what they think is true, their animals are in danger. I don't think anyone is knowingly propagating false imformation on purpose... sure, some will be stubborn and won't listen, but others will realize their mistakes and be able to give that new info to others...

Like someone already said, you have to take the good with the bad. You shouldn't give up just because someone says you're wrong even if you know that you're right.

Zoe

[meow_mix450]

zoe has a good point, see this is wut id like to see, no one talking back, i cant see it lol, but if you can then sure.......well it would be nice to have a mod that knows chams, but thats really a bonus, we should be glad that is site is even here, so dank mayb you should stay and forget the people hoo talk back??? just a thought but everyone here is right, ooo i never knew srry about asking about trace, i jsut missed her....and eyespy.....but i guess we wont go there

Meow

[dank7oo]

:)

[Wuntu Menny]

I think everyone has brought up valid points, but I have to admit that I'm at the end of my rope. The tone of my responses tends to get more cynical and derogatory the more I bash my head against the wall. (As if you hadn't noticed) Over the years I've found it necessary to migrate to different sites as the situation becomes unbearable. The climate is rapidly becoming just that around here.

Some of you feel that its worth the effort if a small percentage of keepers actually take your advice to heart and act on it. While I certainly don't expect everyone to follow my suggestions to the letter, I would like to see some returns for my time invested. I simply can't justify donating the key strokes to someone that obviously has no intention of making an effort.

As Shane mentioned, those of us with a number of years of successful keeping under our belts have reached that level of experience at great expense. Sharing that accumulated knowledge is an effort to advance the hobby and help others avoid repeating our mistakes. If we can't do that, what's the point of sharing it all?

When the ignorant, obstinate, arrogant individuals start lining up to trash your suggestions or insist they know a short cut, it becomes an exercise in futility. As the number of members grows on this site, so does the peckerbrain ratio. That's to be expected as the hobby certainly has more than it's share. I guess it all comes down to your individual tolerance level. One by one, we'll all reach it eventually.

WM

[DragnDrop]

As a herper with a few years' experience under my belt, I know the feeling of frustration when you spend hours typing husbandry info, just to have some know-it-all big mouth shoot me down, tell me I'm nuts etc etc. Sometimes I've taken it personally and felt like leaving, but then this little voice asks me ... what if everyone leaves, what happens to the poor critters whose owners need, ask and accept help? There's always going to be a smarty pants, there's always going to be someone who questions even the experts (don't think no one doubted Albert Einstein and ran him ragged with arguments). For what it's worth, if I have an answer, I'll pitch in. If the advice is ignored, I don't take it personally, it's just the way people are.

It's not my place to ask anyone to stay, but if you think it over, are you here to help for the benefit of the chams, or for the status of being an experience keeper? There's no glory to volunteering your help, but it makes you feel good that you at least tried, even if your advice wasn't accepted.

(p.s. I do have cham experience. Got my first trio of Jacksons in 1996, and a pair of Nosy Be Blue Panthers in 1999. I don't post much, since I don't know much about chams in general. The species are so different in care and attitude, that I tend to only pitch in with the ones I know, not general cham care. )

[meow_mix450]

dragndrop, we all try our best;) and im glad that everyone here understands, its really no ones fauly, if you give advice, they might listen to you and they might not......but i guess the things that get peoples nevres, is when they say no and **** even tho its in there own opinion. I have someone PM me telling me that they have been very rude to them and it made her felt dumb(no names being mentioned)

WM- i bet when you first posted this thread you didnt mean it to be offencive, its hard to tell what the persons saying over the internet i dont blame you....thats why when i think its offencive i say no offence and most of them get my point, but im glad your still here giving advice. Hope things will get back to normal and i bet trace and eyespy will come back:)

Thanks
Meow

[dank7oo]

Hey all.

WM - I'm glad we are on the same page here. I myself have been to several sites, trying to find the right mix, and I thought I finally found it here. Hopefully things will get cleaned up a little on the cham forum.

DD - Glad to have you here and moderating (even if you had no experience). I'm sure you'll do great :)

As for me, I'll continue to hang around for a little bit longer, and give things another chance.

---> something wicked
Max was looking a little dehyrated today, so I sprayed my hand with the mister and he ran over to drink out of my hands. It feels really cool, so give it a try :) lol

Jason

[sleddergirl]

On a lighter note, you guys are what helped me with Chester (and continue to help me). I was clueless when I first considered getting a cham.............I read all the posts here and asked questions when I felt necessary and you all pulled through with help and experience. I think most people who come here, want to either share their experiences or count on others to share theirs..............its a win/win situation that will be lost if all the knowledgable leave....................

Anyway, thanks for all the help you guys have given me. Chester is the healthier cham for it and I am the better keeper for it....:D

Sue

[meow_mix450]

yay, something i like to hear, and i want to thank everyone as well

Meow

[Collide]

I think that some people read into things, there is no body language tone of voice to let u know what peoples moods are. some times when u type something due to these lacking indicators it may be taken the wrong way, so unless people are blatently putting people down. your shouldent take it personaly. Everyone has there own opinions on things and most of the time its just a preference. I may have planted enclosures Wuntu Menny
may not that dont mean we are going to argue over it. We both will give our sides and the person will make there own desision based on there needs. In some cases they may choose the wrong advice they will learn though. People have there own reasions for leaving and thats it if they leave they are gon if not all good. Its the internet a info source dont take it so seriously.

cheers my 2 cents

B

[meow_mix450]

great paragraph, that pretty much wraps wut i said lol

Meow

[oiler17]

I think people need to stop being so sensitive about stuff said here. If someone starts making fun of you for something, explain why you're a credible source (I.E. you've had ___ chameleons for ___ years and know how to take care of them). If you make a valid argument, even the morons that try to come in and insult you can't argue back.

I don't know about any specific cases you all are talking about, but I think taking some things with a grain of salt would help.. and sometimes I think there are some misunderstandings too. What's the sense in not even trying to help people? you can post your opinions or ideas and then never read the thread again, but at least you let them know what you'd suggest. Plus, even if you don't notice.. people do notice the people who post a lot and give good advice, so they're probably not going to believe some punk who comes in and tries to tell everyone they're wrong because they've learned to trust the advice of people who try to help everyone out all the time.

but my main thing is that I think people need to stop being so sensitive to remarks made on here.

[meow_mix450]

Guys im really really srry but i hahve to get my anger out!, ok no one is going to be named here, i just lost another great person cause of people being idiots!!! now she wont be posting here, plz plz i beg you to stop this, its just hard for me t see many good people being pushed out cause of other peoople that cant be nice, srry thats my rant

Meow

[marisa]

Stop what?!!?!

Let me tell you guys something, there is NOT ONE PLACE ON THE INTERNET THAT IS IDIOT FREE! I say that in caps because its soo true and important. If you cannot handle the internet morons on one site, then you cannot handle the internet, Period. There is always someone there, on every single website in the world, to make life harder for others, or passing out bad information.

Why does someone challanging advice matter to you? Give your advice, if you know you are right stick to it. I just don't see how someone disagreeing with you, posting bad information, or being "stupid" can make someone leave a forum.

The point of this great chameleon forum in my mind is to get and give information. No one else can interfer with that, unless you let them. :)

Marisa
P.S. I have learned lots to help my care of my cham on this forum and frankly I think its great. I ignore anyone who posts bad info, post good info and listen/read what others have to say. Simple as that. No need to get emotional or leave. That doesn't help anyone and certaintly doesn't help any chameleons. :)

[Collide]

I dont know mabey im blind i dont stray far form the cham section mabey i dont see the negative things. I dont see anyone leaving only seen one. guess im confused....

[daver676]

Originally posted by marisa
Stop what?!!?!

Let me tell you guys something, there is NOT ONE PLACE ON THE INTERNET THAT IS IDIOT FREE! I say that in caps because its soo true and important. If you cannot handle the internet morons on one site, then you cannot handle the internet, Period. There is always someone there, on every single website in the world, to make life harder for others, or passing out bad information.

Why does someone challanging advice matter to you? Give your advice, if you know you are right stick to it. I just don't see how someone disagreeing with you, posting bad information, or being "stupid" can make someone leave a forum.

The point of this great chameleon forum in my mind is to get and give information. No one else can interfer with that, unless you let them. :)

Marisa


I couldn't have put it better myself.

[meow_mix450]

i kno 3, trace, eyespy and now mrsogle(spelling) and we are just about to loose dank7oo, and i thought of going, but ill stay a little longer......like honslty i missed them and i want them to come bac....it just seems that the site is slowly being taken over by morons, marisa your right, theres a lot of site that has a lot of morons, thats cause they get taken over, by them....i havnt seen a lot of people that use to post here as much as before.....in the cham fourm and the other fourms, past few months i post a question answered in mins, now it takes days and days.

Meow

[marisa]

Honestly any "missing people" well that's there choice.

I think some of you need to take a forum reality check. The amount of BS and "mean" people here is like 500% below almost any other forum as active as this one on the internet. Go ahead and see for yourself. You either have total choas on other sites, or you have extreme censorship and fakeness. ssnakess.com is the only one with neither and only MINOR amounts of morons. Anything you guys are seeing is isolated, or you are taking it a little bit to seriously. You can only make a forum so friendly. You cannot force people to get along together.

I say be graitful you have a forum THIS friendly and this none chaotic and ignore the idiots. It takes two people to have a forum disagreement or a fight. If you won't participate in that, then guess what? No fight, or "meanness" and you can happily pass on information.

Marisa

[Wuntu Menny]

Which is exactly why some of us opt for a nomadic approach to reptile sites, to try and stay ahead of the idiots. I believe that the statement about not being able to handle the internet is a bit of a generalization however.

Marisa, you seem to have either missed the point of what some of us are trying to express or you are truly immune to the effects. Either way, I see no purpose in offering advice or stating an observation and then having to literally argue the point to have it stand.

Certain individuals readily demonstrate the desire to generate as much conflict and controversy as they possibly can while simultaneously making it abundantly clear that they lack any credible background or experience. It just doesn't make for an enjoyable exchange of views and ideas when this sort of interference becomes frequent.

Did I let them interfere? Not me... I just don't care to deal with it. I suppose ultimately the TOS allows it to happen. There are no rules stating that a person can't offer unqualified advice or oppose the opinions of others based on the fact that their brother's friend always feeds porcupines to his ball python. Maybe its time we all had to pass a little entrance exam to warrant membership to a site.

I come here learn from some and hopefully help to educate others, not to argue over every petty, pathetic little detail. When it comes to that, there are plenty of other new sites out there that have the same small town feel that this place used to have.

WM

[marisa]

There can't be that rule or exam! Why? Because everyone does things a little different and different approaches to husbandry DO work. Filtering out the idiots stops all meaningful arguements and conversation when people educated them to why they are wrong.

Immune to what effects? What effect exactly does someone not agreeing over the internet with you have? You either share advice, or you don't. Plain and simple. If you don't want to argue, then don't. Simple. No one else can force you to go offline or turn a forum off. What I have taken from the thread is that people are frustrated with people giving bad advice, and causing problems. I have yet to see a problem intentionally caused on this website that comes anything close to what other forums have to deal with. You cannot possibly be so ultra sensitive as to expect no arguements, disagreements or "idiots" posting advice.

Small town feel....means lack of participation. You show me one reptile other forum with 4000 members that has less uneducated members on it, less arguements, less fighting. There isn't one. Why? Because if you want a HUGE base of knowledge you have to put up with a percentage of uneducated people as well. That's the plain and simple of it. That's also similar to how real life works. You want to go to a reptile show and learn, and sure 99.5% of the people there are nice and educated, but there's that 0.5% that will make things difficult for others. Its a fact of everyday life, and its magnified on the internet. You can either handle it and take the good out of it, or ignore it altogether, I guess that's each persons choice though.

For me, I find it overwhelmingly simple to ignore idiots, or educate them while still taking good educated information from the site. Hasn't gone wrong for me yet.

Marisa

[Brock]

I'm not going to waste much of my time over this stupid thread. This is a childish; and it is true, some of you are too sensitive, and that is a real weakness that cannot possibly be respected. I appreciate the posts by marisa and oiler17, sometimes people need to be grabbed by the balls and dragged out of dreamland.

Dank, sorry to see you're joining the bandwagon, I thought you had more independence than that. For what it's worth, I appreciated your responses to virtually every post and overall hepful presence here.

Moral: Some of you are too idealistic, reality bites; bite back.

-Insights of Brock

[dank7oo]

Thanks Brocl and to everyone else who has responded.

I honestly feel, as WM said, a lot of people here are missing the point to the thread to begin with. I am not wasting more time explaining i a third time, but just go read my first few posts to get back on track (marisa).

Jason

[meow_mix450]

Marisa: that 4000 people hat joiin, only less then half people that are experts, the other half, are there t give there opinions on wut they think about this, but it seems that tis 0.5% of idiots are slowly growing to 1% and higher, as slowly experts and even the ones that are giving there own opinion are leaving the site, also that 4000 that join, they only post once or twice and they leave...........but your right, this is one of the sites they has the lowest idiots, but slowly the idiots will grow....

This may bseen childish but, there are senstive people here, and they dont want to look like there a idiot here.....thats why they leave the idiots make them feel like idiots cause they asked a question they didnt kno......

THE POINT
is that people dont feel like home and they feel like they are dumb, and shouldnt be here so they leave, they just dont want to start an agurment, so they leave, dragn seems to be the moderator for every fourm, well thats wut i saw i could be wrong

Meow

[marisa]

Sorry I have no clue what you are saying here :

"This may bseen childish but, there are senstive people here, and they dont want to look like there a idiot here.....thats why they leave the idiots make them feel like idiots cause they asked a question they didnt kno......"

And then here:

"is that people dont feel like home and they feel like they are dumb, and shouldnt be here so they leave, they just dont want to start an agurment, so they leave"

It's their choice to leave. If someone cannot handle an "idiot" or cannot handle people disagreeing with their advice over the internet they have a big problem IMHO. i still do not see your point. You want what exactly? To force "mean" people to go away and force people who don't want to stay and give advice to stay?

They made the choice to leave. No one forced them. If all it takes is a sily kid giving bad information on the net to make them leave, then that's their problem. Whining about it and starting threads is making the problem WORSE not better. You and you alone decide what you take from the forum.

Marisa

[marisa]

DankZoo I made sure to reread your posts to as you say "get back on track"

If I assume correctly, this sentence sums up your position
"Not getting into specifics, however, do not question people who have experiance, have knowledge, and are trying to help you. An epidemic of posts by people who are giving information about chameleons by their one experiance and what they have read, and telling people with much more experiance they are wrong does not make sence to me. Information that I, after 4 years have owning chameleons, and now about to obtain my fifth, is still cautious about giving out. Information I feel is best left to the experts, not an internet article written by 'Big Bertha'."

Basically, again correct me here, but you are upset that people are offer advice they either are not qaulified to give or are wrong about.

What exactly do you want this forum to do about that? Boot anyone off you don't think knows enough? Obviously that's extreme example but I am not sure I understand why you started this thread.

You are either going to allow these people to frustrate you to the point you will no longer help other cham owners out, or you will buck up, take what you want from this forum and learn to deal with and ignore the idiots. If it were as simple as getting rid of people we don't like, then the world woudl be a far different place.

You said "get back on track" then highlighted my name. Why because I don't personally agree with you? That's what this forum is all about. Not agreeing, debating. If people are giving uneducated information about chams, why would that make you or anyone else want to leave? Wouldn't that make you want to work harder to get the correct information out there?

Like I said, its your choice and your choice alone to leave or not post. No one else can make you leave.

Marisa
P.S. I'd like to add that I have involved myself in this thread because I think its a travesty to lose people who know thier stuff all because they cannot simply ignore fools, or stick up for their information and debate why they are right. It's a shame to loose some smart people all for such silly reasons. This is the internet folks. Just the internet.

[choriona]

Well, as a member here since the summer - I just want to say that I really enjoy coming here. I like that i can type a question that has been bothering me, and get answers back in a matter of a few hours. I could seek out the info on the net myself, but i like it when others take a new perspective on my dilemma. I like reading about the problems of others, or the stories on how their animals are doing. I usually check this site once a day. I may not post much, but I am around and reading what is going on.

Dank - Personally, i don't understand how you are feeling this way. I don't think there has been any ill advice given in this forum in the past month. I do recall the one argument, but after it was dropped, life went on. If any ill advice has been offered, it is quickly pointed out.

I think maybe we are getting too wrapped up in being human. Correct me if I am wrong, but was this site not created for the exchange of information with the ultimate goal of educating the public on better care of their reptiles? This site is for them, not for us. If something works for you, put in your two cents. If you notice someone mentioning a technique you KNOW is wrong, say so. I also don't believe that years of owning an animal amounts to "experience". At the vet clinic, I see many animals coming in that have been owned for years and the animal is sick because of being put through years of inappropriate husbandry.

The ONLY thing we can do for the idiots of the world is EDUCATE them and hope they listen. I am sorry that you don't feel like sharing your information. But if its how you truely feel, it shouldn't be a great debate. You know what you can take and you know what you want to give back.

[dank7oo]

Again to marisa.
Certain things, yes, I am very frusterated with imformation given by people who are not qualified to give it. Thats a small portion though. Its people tearing good advice to shreads and then the good advice is not being followed because of some loud mouth. Obviously you do not see this as a problem, but us who know better sure as hell are at our witts end.

Jason

[meow_mix450]

lol im laughing real hard here, its really dumb but im not gonna bother with this crap here, so im just gonna move on

Meow

[marisa]

"Its people tearing good advice to shreads and then the good advice is not being followed because of some loud mouth. Obviously you do not see this as a problem, but us who know better sure as hell are at our witts end."

If this is honestly the reason you are leaving a forum then good luck, personally thats absolutly ridiculous. You are upset someone tore up good advice and gave bad advice, so you are going to leave the forum which leaves the forum with one less person who knows what they are talkign about. Right. That helps.

"but us who know better sure as hell are at our witts end"

For one do not assume I don't know better, is that not one of your complaints? People assuming things and passing it off as good information? Second, there seems to be a lack of people agreeing that this forum is going downhill. In fact almost everyone else who posted said buck up.

I am also done with this. You guys are looking at this the wrong way IMHO and you are letting internet people bother you to a point you won't help out anymore....ie.. letting someone else's internet behaviour actually cause you to do something you don't want to do. Ridiculous.

Done
Marisa

[drewlowe]

Originally posted by meow_mix450
i kno 3, trace, eyespy and now mrsogle(spelling) and we are just about to loose dank7oo, and i thought of going, but ill stay a little longer......
Meow

I understand trace and eyespy but mrsogle. Mrsogle wasn't here very long and i haven't seen that person giving out tons of knowledgable info. She/he can't even handle a healthy debate, I disagreed with her info and s/he automaticly thought i was arguing and trying to him/her down, come on people lossen up if someone doesn't agree with you, it's not the end of the world. Sorry but not everyone is going to agree with every aspect of care, people need to get over it. This is a place to learn i still learn new stuff everyday even on the animals i have kept for a few years, if it wasn't for people disagring, and asking question and for the source of the info, and approching the subject in a mature way then nobody will learn. Just because you tell me this is how it's done, that doesn't i'm going to do exactly that without the proper research to back it up. I'd be a fool if i automaticly belived everything everyone said over the net. Asking questions is how you learn.

If it wasn't for trace and a few other members ( i think dank zoo even helped not sure i would have to go back to that post and check) I wouldn't know what i needed to know about Neo in enough time. I thanked them in the post i don't think people have to go around thanking that person a hundred times just to make that person feel better or appreciated.

Dank zoo thanks for your time and effort that you have given and for all the archived posts that i can go back and search if i have a question that needs to be answered. If you decied to leave, i wish the best to you, if you decied to stay you should know that some people do appreciate your help, even if they don't say it every day.

Jamie

[Dark_Angel_25]

*sigh*

You can please SOME of the people MOST of the time
and
ALL of the people NONE of the time

That is the way of the world. nothing you can do about it. sad, but true.

[dank7oo]

Lates all.
Best of luck to those of you who I have had the pleasure of talking to you outside of this website.

Jason

[Collide]

Err Ok

First off Im sticking to cham section only here because that is all i know. I personaly dont see these mean people in here. I dont get what the issue is. And im gonna clear this up If you are asking questions that u do not know the answer too is that not by definition "dumb" I dont mean that in a mean way but get my point! The other think if people leave its for there own reasions and there reasions only, how do you know what those reasions are. It may be a combination of thing or one simple thing, but the point of this forum is to get info read and educate your self. Its your job to read all the good ang the garbage and create your own opinion with your own logic. If i see something i think is wrong yes i will say i dont agree and that is all i can do. I cant force people to do things my way, no where can i do this.

And what is this thread here for anyway if people want to leave leave you have your reasions no need for a huge post... how do u think this looks to all the new people comming here for help or to just talk about there chams isent that the point...

lighten up, peace

B

LOL :) sorry if that sounded abit blunt

[meow_mix450]

lol np, you got a good point, but i think this thread will tell the people that join wut there getting into....someone in the general fourm jsut asked where did eyespy go...people are missing them and good people will start leaving cause experts are getting kicked out or they just left

Meow

[Collide]

Yes i see but is this a effective way of knowing, I still have no clue what happened to these people i have a jeneral idea with trace but she did not go into detail but i can tell u its not because people were mean. Yes people leave they move on im sure most will be back sometime. All i get from this is a bunch of people whinning about how people are mean and no real info on what the real issue is. Just my thoughts anyway..

[dank7oo]

Not at all Brandy.

I know why both Trace and Eyespy left though, and it is, like you said, a combination of many things. Some of which is just what I posted in the general thread. (And nowhere did I say people were mean :))

Jason

[Collide]

I wasent refering to you directily jason just a general over view of things. thats what i get when i sum up some of the posts here

[dank7oo]

:( oops .. sorry

[gfisher2002]

Dank7OO, do you think I'm one of those people you say is annoying and rude? I hope not. I try to be nice to everyone. If we all pull together we can keep this forum lively. I'd hate to see the Cham forum die out.

Garrett

[dank7oo]

Not at all Garrett.

[gfisher2002]

lol, phew. I though I did something.