High black royals???

[operation_sssss]

Hi all, bit of a random post (sorry if its been brought up before) but i was wondering if anyone has heard or seen royals that are high in black colour???
kind reguards cheers Will

[mykee]

Yes, they're called melanistic. They look like they've been run over with a blackwash. Wicked looking.

[Piers]

yeah, I have one. I'm not sure if they are genetic, no one says 100% yeah. They would look great crossed with an albino.
Piers

[daver676]

Originally posted by Piers
They would look great crossed with an albino.
Piers

I don't think that is even possible.

[mykee]

Piers, that wouldn't be possible. By definition, an albino lacks the melanin gene completely. A 'high black' or melanistic bp is all about the melanin. It's one or the other.

[jfmoore]

Hi Davers and Mykee - What "wouldn't be possible"?

[Invictus]

Combining a Melanistic snake with an Amelanistic (Albino) snake creates hets that when bred together, can create "blizzard" animals. This is what I am doing with a King Snake project right now. Think of it this way - The pattern is dominant. Therefore, if the pattern of the Melanistic snake is inherited, it leaves a fingerprint of where the melanin should be on the body - but the Albino gene "breaks" this, leaving you with almost no pattern at all, or at least, a very reduced one.

[mykee]

Jf, what I meant, as understood from Piers' post, was that the two crossed would be a visual 'mix' of the two traits. I stated that the two crossed would not give the appearance that I think Piers thought. I think I was assuming too much. The black from the melanistic and the white from the albino; each snakes distinctive visible anomaly would not co-habitate on the snake, the snake would take on a totally different look, (albino/axanthic morph; snow).

[daver676]

Originally posted by jfmoore
Hi Davers and Mykee - What "wouldn't be possible"?

Is there an echo in here.....:rolleyes: I said "I don't think that is even possible", not "That is impossible."

Invictus,

Thanks a bunch for clearing that up for me. I can't wait to see those kings!

So is there a patternless bp out there some where?

[emroul]

Originally posted by daver676
So is there a patternless bp out there some where?

Sure is: http://vpi.com/4VPIInventory/VPIPriceList/PatlessBallPics/PatlessBallThumbsGallery(Jun02).htm

I don't think it's proven, but it's out! :)
Jennifer

[jfmoore]

Dave -

Let me try again. Your original post said:

“I don't think that is even possible.” in response to Piers’ statement that “They would look great crossed with an albino.”

I was asking which part of Piers’ statement did you think not “even possible”? If you were questioning the “would look great” part, that would be a matter of personal preference. If you were questioning the ability of two differently-pigmented and patterned ball pythons to breed together, well…………………..

In other words, I didn’t believe you were saying what you meant to say, but I was trying to clarify that in a polite way.

-Joan

[Piers]

invictus knows what I ment. the snake would be snowish. or would become so as it got older as most melanistic(so I"m told) are born "normal" and get the black wash as they get older.
As for the impossible, you never seen a parodox?
Piers

[RandyRemington]

Have any of the melanistics proven reproducible yet?

Even if it can be reproduced, the next question would be if melanistic effects the yellow at all. Perhaps it is just an increase in black all over that covers a completely normal distribution of yellow. If this is the case then you would expect that when albino takes away the black the yellow would still be normal and you couldn't distinguish a genetic melanistic albino from a regular albino.

Of course maybe melanistic would reduce the yellow or make it spread all over evenly like the black but since it doesn't even seem to be genetic so far it will be hard to find out.