Burm is really a Indian Python???

[jncoclub]

Well greetings from Hawaii! I still don’t have my own computer set up to show you all pictures, but one day I will.

In the meanwhile, I have been checking up on all the snakes I had to find new homes for and I heard from the guy who has Clyde, my burm. Well I’ve just been informed that Clyde is not a burm, but an Indian Python! Can someone please give me some info on Indian Pythons? This is the first time that I heard that she could be one and I’d love to know more about them. Pic below…

Thanks!
Jennifer


http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/437clyde_1-med.jpg

[Linds]

You would be hardpressed to find both pure Indian Pythons and Burmese Pythons, as they were heavily interbred with eachother in the past. The Indian Python is an endangered species, and although they look quite similar, I have doubts that you would've been accidentally sold an Indian Python. If memory serves correctly, you originally aquired your burm from a pet store? I have no experience with Indian pythons, but I do with Burms. I know they are quite similar in appearance, especially from all the pics I've ever seen, but since that's reptty much my Indian experience I do not have the ability to make a positive ID as being that. He looks like a Burm from what I can see though...

[T.O-SK8TER]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/370201/indianburmese.jpg

[Sunrunner]

Nice info T.O skater :) I always wondered how to tell for sure as well. :)

[HERPSKEEPER]

Pic looks like a burmese python

[RachelS.]

Your snake looks like a burmese python from the pic. And as Linds said, I doubt anyone would accidentally sell you an indian. And knowing you got your snake from a petstore makes it all the more a burm :)

Here are some pics to compare. T.O-SK8TER gave a great scale comparitive.

Indian Python (Python molurus molurus)
http://www.tbc.net/~gknaack/pics/mine/indian.jpg

http://www.sandiegozoo.org/kids/images/gotq_ind_python.jpg

http://www.prehistoricpets.com/gallery/images/IndianP.jpg
That's probably enough of Indians lol

Burmese python (Python molurus bivittatus)
http://www.snakemuseum.com/photos/burmese.jpg

http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/net12980/burmese.jpg

http://www.reptilarium.ca/birmanie.jpg

That should be enough to tell the difference :D Hope you find out what your little guy is :)

[rustysdragons]

Hi all,
I would have to agree with the above posts (great scallation chart by the way).
I have (from a recognized breeder) a female 95% pm molorus / 5% pm Bivitatis. So apperantly she is 95% Indian. but to be honest she just has a bit more white in her coloration and don't get me wrong, she is a very pretty snake. But as said above it would be very unlikely to find a pure Indian at this point.
I have heard many people refer to Indians and Burms as the same snake. Which is not true, but maybe that is what happend with your burm.?.
Ok, enough of my rambeling
Thanks
Rusty

[HERPSKEEPER]

Since we are all talking about it anyways,heres a question
I have a burmese python that Ive had for almost
2yrs and i just picked up a rock python(thats what the guy said it was)a month ago.The two
snakes are about the same size and come real close to looking the same(pattern and color).My
question is how do you tell the difference
between rocks and burms?

[T.O-SK8TER]

Are you talking about an African Rock Python? if you are the pattern should be a lot different than a burm, yet the colours may be similar.

[RachelS.]

pics again!! Just for you HERPSKEEPER

Here is an african rock python. Compare it to the pics of the burmese pythons above :)

http://www.prehistoricpets.com/images/animals/posshetrock.jpg

Your snake could be just a cross, or the other was mis labeled.

[HERPSKEEPER]

My african rock python looks like the pic above but mines darker.My burmese also looks like the pic but is darker and has more of patch pattern to its back....I dont know i will post some good pics of both soon.There are pics of them eating in the photo discussion page

[HERPSKEEPER]

My burm looks like the first pic above but 9ft longer.

[rustysdragons]

The way to tell the difference is the Rock will bite you faster then the burm..lol
They do have the same colors alott of the time. But their patterns are a bit different
Rusty

[Janus]

I have been at a local book store recently, while looking through books I've also seen these snakes refered to as Asian Rock Pythons.

[HERPSKEEPER]

Both my burm and rock are tammer than a snail out in the garden.My burm is the only thats bit me,and that was during feeding time

[jncoclub]

I haven't heard back from the guy who has Clyde. I'll let you know what he has to say when he gets back to me. THANKS!

[kevyn]

Indian Rock Pythons (Python Molurus Molurus) have a subra labial(upper lip) scale that makes contact with the eye. The Burmese Rock Python (Python Molurus Bivittatus) does not have that subra labial scale that makes contact with the eye. They will have both a supral labial scale and a sub-ocular (below the eye) scale. This is the only way (other than DNA testing ) to acurately tell the two species apart. These snakes are in no way related to the African Rock Python (Python Sebae Sebae).

[HERPSKEEPER]

Burmese Rock Python?

[kevyn]

Burmese Rock Python is the proper common name for the Burmese Python .

[RachelS.]

Originally posted by kevyn
Burmese Rock Python is the proper common name for the Burmese Python .

kevyn... ummmm no it's not...............................

[ReptiZone]

The Burmese rock Python was one of the first common name that herpers used but in time we just stoped using it. so in short he is not wrong if he chooses to use that name.

He Just comfuses newbies and ppl that are not very knowlegeable of the species.

So Rachel...........ummmm yes it is........

[kevyn]

There are a number of renouned herpetologists still refering to Python molurus bivittatus as the Burmese Rock Python, namely Mark O'Shea. But it's true it's not a commonly used name anymore, I just got in the habit of using it.

[rwg]

So Jennifer...what's the verdict? Burm or Indian?

rg

edit: Just realized you're not the one with the snake. Please disregard.

[jncoclub]

I haven't heard back from the guy yet, we are all waiting....
I promise to let you know.

[Dragonhood]

It's burmese or Indian python they are from India and Sri Lanka and the rock pythons are from south Africa

[RachelS.]

Originally posted by ReptiZone
So Rachel...........ummmm yes it is........

Quiet!!! I had no idea :p

[ReptiZone]

that is cool Rachel.S now you know.

And dragonhood I hate to be a smart @$$ but

It's burmese or Indian python they are from India and Sri Lanka and the rock pythons are from south Africa
20 words

The Indian Python Python Molurus Molurus

Is a Python in a familly of 3 consisting of Python Molurus Molurus and 2 other Sub species.

who is from...India, West Pakistan all the way through to Napal and Sir Lanka

The Ceylon Python python Molurus Pimbura

Is one of the Sub species of the Molurus familly

Who can only be found on the Island of Sir Lanka formaly known as "Ceylon Island" so as you ca see it is not quite the same Sir Lanka as the Indian Python

The Burmese Python Python Molurus bivittatus

Is also one sub species of the molurus familly.
who is from...Malaysia, Indonesia and burma hence the Name Burmese Python.

The African Rock Python sebae sebae

Is a whole difrent python familly with only one other sub species
The Dwarf African Rock Python Python sebae natalensis

The African rock Python is found in a broad band across Central Africa and The Dwarf African Rock Python is found in the southern third of the african Continent.

Now with as much respect as I can offer next time you want to post a 20 word sentence try to make sure that all the info you give is at least 50% correct. The only thing you had right was that the indian Python was found in India and Sir Lanka and even that you made ppl gues buy adding burmese in the sentence. I am normaly a nice guy but fawls Information drives me duts.

all this to say that if I were to say Burmese Rock Python I would be correct. just cause the word rock is in 2 or 3 difrent names does not mean they are of the same familly.
With is actualy why I think (I am not passing this off as fact) that the word rock was removed from the burmese python name.

Just wanted to clear the air.
And yet another reason why refering to hers with there latin names is so much less comfusing.

ReptiZone
Marc Doiron
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[jncoclub]

The guy who now has the snake formally known as my own, left me the whole Burm/Indian message on RTB while also asking me for my contact info so we can chat about this. I haven't heard back from him and I started this thread the day I read his inital message. So I still don't know what else he has to say about it. I'd love to hear it though. You all have given so much info on this topic, it's great.

I'll keep hounding him.

Jennifer

[kevyn]

Indians are amazing. I just wish they were more available in Canada. I have yet to find any.:confused: