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Scales Zoo
12-18-03, 10:22 AM
First off, we are part of the Readers Digest book club, and they keep sending us amazing animal books, the last one is great – we are keeping it.

It is called “The hidden powers of animals – uncover the secrets of nature” by Dr. Karl P. N. Shuker

It has loads of interesting animal stuff, but I am really happy with the amount of snake content. I got to page 100 and read something really interesting.

They write about the different noises snakes can make. After the bullsnake and its glottis is discussed, they write about the Bornean Cave Racer (Blue beauty snake - Elaphe taeniurae grabowskyi) and its ability to make an “eerie, penetrating yowling sound” much like the meowing of a cat. Groups of researchers documented this as lately as 1980, according to the book.

It goes on to state that researchers think that it may be a mechanism for luring cave swiftlets (a fast flying bird) nearer to the snake, so it can grab them out of the air as it flies by. It also says that these birds, like bats, use an echolocation mode of navigation – a series of high pitched squeaks which echo, letting the bird (and bats) “see” the cave walls as they fly out.

I’ve done some searching on the web, and have not found any reference to this. I’m wondering if Elaphe t. ridleyi might also be capable of making this noise, as ridleyi and grabowskyi are very similar as far as the taeniurae group is concerned.

So, what I’m asking, has anyone heard their cave dwellers or blue beauties making a weird noise? Any meowers?

Ryan

Hamster of Borg
12-18-03, 12:33 PM
I know my Elaphe taeniura yunnanensis have never made any such noises.

Ham

Katt
12-18-03, 04:27 PM
Ryan, I just wanted to make a public correction. I was wrong to say Blue beauties are grabowsky. That had always been my assumption, however recently, I was corrected by Alex of alexandsnakes (Hey are you back from Maui, yet?) And neglected to inform you.

As for a yowling sound. I haven't seen this, but I HAVE seen my female blue beauty hang with the tip of her tail down from the top of her cage. I think I might have a pic. She looks like she's in position to snap something from the air.

Scales Zoo
12-18-03, 05:24 PM
Fortunately, I did not get the grabowsky information from you. I have found many references seeming to call the blues grabowsky.

I think there is some confusion on the net, and maybe in a few books. I will double check my information, and post about that too I guess.

Ryan

Invictus
12-18-03, 05:47 PM
When I had my blue beauties, the only sounds I ever heard were hissing, and their face hitting the side of the rubbermaid as they tried to attack me every time I entered the room. :)

Scales Zoo
12-18-03, 09:14 PM
O.K - I have come to the conclusion that Katt is right, she was wrong! I had searched the subject regarding the grabowskyi and the ssp on the net - and didn't really come up with anything definitive.

But then I read some photocopied pages of a book that I do not know for sure. I suspect it may be the big book on the genus elaphe. I do know that it is Shulz 1996.

Anyways, the blue beauties in the pet trade are Elaphe taeniura ssp (maybe orthriophis now). They have yet to have been described, it may one day be nuthalli.

So the other blue beauty snakes that my new Readers Digest book talks about, Elaphe taeniura grabowski - are similar to the other blues, and the cave dwelling ridleyi.

The book does make mention that the meowing sounds have been observed (Loveridge 1946, Chapman, P. 1984) in both ridleyi and grabowskyi.

The notes on the photocopies say that grabowskyi has never been available in the pet trade.

Also the pet trade blue beauties come from Burma and parts of Thailand, not Vietnam like most people would think.

I need to get this book; it has scalation counts and pattern drawings for identifying all of the different subspecies. I also have to keep these color photocopies away from the dogs!

Ryan

Scales Zoo
12-18-03, 09:16 PM
Oh yeah, so I guess my original question should be - has anyone heard their cavers (ridleyi) make a cat miaowing sound?

Vanan
12-18-03, 09:28 PM
O.K - I have come to the conclusion that Katt is right, she was wrong!

LMAO!

Simon Sansom
12-19-03, 06:47 AM
Nope, no wierd noises as of yet from either my babies or the adults.
I've read the same thing, too. It was in an early issue of "The Vivarium" magazine, which I have conveniently lost, lol!

Interesting, though.

Simon

gonesnakee
12-19-03, 02:48 PM
And all along I thought all those weird noises I heard at night were the neighbours ole lady LOL Mark

Katt
12-19-03, 03:37 PM
<laugh> at Mark!!! How close are you to your neighbours??

I'm going to keep a tape running next to my cave dwellers. I'm sure someone would pay big bucks to hear a snake meow.

Soul_Reaper
12-19-03, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Invictus
When I had my blue beauties, the only sounds I ever heard were hissing, and their face hitting the side of the rubbermaid as they tried to attack me every time I entered the room. :)

YIKES!!! Were they really that vicious? Did you ever get tagged?

gonesnakee
12-19-03, 03:58 PM
Katt - Duplex LOL!
Soul reaper - Invictus' were just trying to show their affection via a few Lovebites!
VBBs aren't mean eh Katt (ie: The Witch) heh heh.
Seriously they are usually not too bad with the exception of the odd Pyscho. most settle down pretty good with time spent. Mark
P.S. I too have only heard them Hiss at me.

Katt
12-20-03, 05:49 AM
Mark, it's true, they do tame down. The Witch is actually somewhat handable. When we first got her from you, she was a mean cobra. Had to use two hooks to handle her and HANDS OFF. Now I can pick her up with my hand, if I keep the head away and don't move too quickly.