Egyptian sand boa

[Spat]

Someone have an Egyptian SB?
I've never seen an ESB in reality just in book and I like this kind of snakes, so where I can find this snake and how much???

Thanks

bye

Spat

[Stockwell]

We actually call all the colubrinus simply "East African Sandboas"
Colubrinus used to be split into two subspecies, colubrinus colubrinus and colubrinus loveridgei.
Historically the loveridgei were generally what the orange ones were called and the more yellow less attractive ones were called
Egyptians. But brighter Egyptions were marketed by the pet trade as "Kenyans"
In reality, collection data was was rarily available so the origin was uncertain.
In essence Egyptian sandboas are the same thing as Kenyan sandboas. There is no longer considered to be enough taxonomic difference to warrant two subspecies.
But while they are no longer considered two subspecies by some academics, some hobbiests still insist they are different, and try to maintain the yellower lines in distinction from the orange "Kenyan phase".

Albino Kenyans for example were produced from what was formerly called Egyptians. That albino was then bred to more orange specimens, which were called Kenyans.
We now refer to them as albino Kenyans, but they probably never came from Kenya
In reality, most snakes called Kenyans are probably from Ethiopia

Some of the nicest East Africans are actually from Dodoma valley in Tanzania...They are called Flame Kenyans oddly enough

Here's a link to Chris Harrison's sand boa page . You might find this of interest
http://www.**************/sandboa/colubrin.html

Sorry it appears I can't post KS links..
You'll have to go over to "Queensnake" and look in the FAQ's/Caresheets/features section and look for "The sandboa page"

[Spat]

Thanks a lot again!!!
You have answers for all my questions!! :)
Ok the problem is in my book: Barron's Boas a complete pet owner's manual, there is a pics of an "egyptian sand boa" so I don't know if you've seen this book but the pics don't show a KSB with yellow coloration. The colour of this snake is light brown with dark brown triangles or lozenges on his back! Now, when I compare this pics with other I think that is a rough-scaled SB! So, this snake is very cute!! Is he common?
Other question: I love rubber boa, so it is very difficult to import them in Canada! I've already post on this subjects, so I'll just like to know if you think to breed your rubber and when? I really want a rubber, but I sent so many email in USA and nobody want to sell at people who lives in Canada :(
Thanks again!

Spat

[Tigergenesis]

Spat, I'm wondering if you would share who you found breeds rubbers in the US? I'm thinking of getting one in the future and am having problems finding breeders online.

[Stockwell]

Spat, that sounds like it must be a rough scale sand boa. (gongylophis conicus)
Some of those petstore books have incorrect labelling on photos
Conicus are from India and Pakistan, not Egypt

Conicus are my favourite sand boas. I produced two litters in 03
Here's a picture of two of mine showing the diversity in colour
I think this is actually what you are referring too...Am I correct?
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/18011590conicusextremes-med.jpg

[foman]

Very cool Roy,which one is closer to the more common colour.

[Spat]

Yes!!
It's the snake that I talked!
It may be not too common!! I see Kenyan everywhere, sometimes somes russian, but never in pet store or other a rough scale!! Very cute! Is the price of this kind of snake are really more high than the price of a kenyan?
You seem to have somes species of sand! What so you have exactly? Somes indian SB? Other?
Thank you
Spat

[Stockwell]

foman,Somewhere in between.. I have greenish ones, black and white ones, and some pretty gold ones, like the one pictured.
It might suprise you to know that that gold one was produced by the black and white one. They are father and daughter.
I hope to eventually be able to produce the various colors through selective breeding.
Right now, the offspring are a mixed bag.