candy cane?? Not really.....

[crimsonking]

... but this pic my son took a few months ago reminds me of one. Hope all here have a safe and happy Holiday season!
:Markhttp://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/151knob2ccc-med.JPG

[vanderkm]

So Christmassy. Very thin black bands on this one - if it weren't for the black on the head it would look like a hypo. Very pretty.

mary v.

[Vanan]

*choke* Almost made me spill my drink! Had to look twice before realising that I WAS in the Lampro forums. When did you get those?!

[crimsonking]

Vanan, I've posted pics of her before. I just keep finding different ones to post. LOL! Soon I hope to produce more with her and a nearly equal male I have coming up. L. pyromelana knoblochi are quite beautiful I think.
:Mark

[eyespy]

I sure wouldn't mind one of those in my stocking on Christmas morning. :D

[Ace]

You KNOW I love these guys!!! Have you decided if your breeding this pair this coming year or not?

Happy holidays to you too Mark!

[Simon]

wow
insane!!
lovely!!!
makes me jealous!!!!
you have a great collection mark...you know that!!!

[stevesemerko]

Beautiful snake. Very christmassy indeed.

Steve

[Clownfishie]

Gorgeous Mark! :D

[Tim_Cranwill]

Good lord, I'm about to pass out. :) I love these guys. I NEEEEEED one, no two... ok maybe a trio! :D

Sweet Mark, you always impress me.

Ok, now post a pic of an ugly snake that you own.... I'll believe it when I see it! ;)

[gonesnakee]

Very nice. For all you Canadians that need stocking stuffers heh heh, I still have 3.2 available for X-mas. Not quite as nice as pictured (very sweet Mark), but still sweet. Here's my lovely couple. Mark I.
<img src="http://members.shaw.ca/gonesnakee/MTN KINGS.JPG"width="600">

[Tim_Cranwill]

Don't you two have a heart?!?!? :D

[Vanan]

Doubt it Tim! The b*****ds!

[Ace]

Well, since everybody else is showing off theirs........
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p280f1ba4bfe7bccc9e9e1213ae7393a4/fc36b295.jpg
Thanks for looking

[eyespy]

Good challenge, Tim! I'd be very interested to see if the king of crimson had an unattractive snake in his possession.

[Linds]

LOL... I'm torn... I hate xmas but that is a great looking snake!

[C.m.pyrrhus]

Pyros are the bestest kings I swear it. I do not see how they can be topped.....

Great lookin candy there folks

[ryan337]

Good looking snake!

[Weather1]

Sweet, very nice~~

[MouseKilla]

Pyro Kings? Is that what these are being called? Good Lord they're wild looking things! Anyone care to enlighten the ignorant as to how they are produced?

[Ace]

Anyone care to enlighten the ignorant as to how they are produced
Produced?? They're Chihuahua or Tarahumara Mountain Kingsnakes, or Lampropeltis Pyromelana Knoblochi. They're a naturally accuring snake from Mexico. ;)

[MouseKilla]

Naturally occurring pink and white snakes? Really??? Ya learn something new everyday I guess... I've never heard of them let alone seen one for sale so I'm reluctant to ask what they're worth as hatchlings but I'm curious to find out just how far from my means they are...

[jim mcallister]

Your all a bunch of showoffs making us jeoulous!! :) Nice Snakes

[Ace]

They're actually red (sometimes orangish/red), white and black. Mark's has reduced black (which makes it SOOO sweet!). I think, depending on the lighting, they may look pink in some pics. Do a web search on Knoblochi, and I'm sure you'll find plenty of dealers selling them! ;) They aren't really that expensive. I paid $30/US for mine, but I usually see them go for around $80/US.

[MouseKilla]

Well I guess I truly am ignorant! LOL! I just can't believe no one has flooded the market with these things (at least not up here). For the longest time I thought that one in your avatar was a cal king with a ridiculous knitted striped sock or something on it. Figured someone was just screwing around (sorta like in my avatar). Thanks for answering my tacky price question though! I hate to ask that sort of thing but I wanted to know if they were in the Pie Bald BP price range or if they were more reasonable (how much could a king possibly cost?).

[Ace]

For the longest time I thought that one in your avatar was a cal king with a ridiculous knitted striped sock or something on it. Figured someone was just screwing around

LMAO!! Nope, that be her!!! This is the pic I used for my avatar. She does look kinda pink in this one.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid37/p1584f864264cc7d147c2415d866fef50/fd17e001.jpg
Here's another one I took at the same time, just to prove it isn't a sock! ;)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/pf8e2cf21ae17c5d92761fd8d375c5c54/fcfe49b7.jpg
Thanks for looking

[MouseKilla]

Awesome snake! I really couldn't figure out how you would get a sock onto a snake in the first place, wasn't about to try it myself... lol! Do you know if these have been integrated with any cal kings or used in jungle corn projects? That colour just seems to have so much potential to me (not that it isn't surreal as is!).

[TheRedDragon]

Wow! Those are CRAZY! I want some! :)

[Ace]

Do you know if these have been integrated with any cal kings or used in jungle corn projects?

I don't know of anyone hybridizing them. But, why mess with such a beautiful snake!! ;)

[gonesnakee]

MouseKilla I can fill ya in on a few of your questions with the proper answers for a CDN. Cost: last year I saw them going for as much as $400 each, this year henry P. has his for $300 each, as did I & I put mine down to a sale price of $250 each or $450 a pair. They are no where near as cheap as the US prices quoted & I have my doubts about $30 US etc. They are noy hybridized like you mentioned because they only grow to maybe 1/3 the size of the snakes you mentioned as adults. The knoblochi are supposed to have the highest bandcount of any Mtn. King, making them the fancier more expensive ones. The cheaper US quotes were probably for different subspecies, either that or we are really getting screwed up here LOL. Depending on the state of shed mine look riht pink sometimes too. They are truly beautiful little snakes & have great disposition too boot. Thought you would like to hear from someone on the same side of the border anyhow heh heh Mark I.
P.S. heh Crimson what kinds of US prices do you see asked for them & also how much the reduced blacks go for? THX M.I. :p

[crimsonking]

Mark and others, I am notoriously a cheapskate and rarely pay much for any snake:) That said, I paid $40. for the girl in the first pic as a hatchling. Of course that was from one of my best friends! My son and I pick his best one with the least black every year. However, I haven't paid any more than $50. for the others I have either. Realistically, the prices generally start at around $75. for average looking hatchlings these days at the biggest shows. I sell my AZ. (pyro pyro) mtn. kings for $40.-$50. Knobs are usually much faster on the "uptake", and begin feeding on pinks without as much trouble as the other ssp. in my exp. Thay also seem to breed a bit easier and lay more eggs. Mine never "shut down" in the fall/winter like the other pyros either. I remember not long ago when they commanded a high ($400.) price, so I had to wait for a break. There are some out there with very little black at all and some that are truly hypomelanistic -and the breeders want big $$ for some of them. Also, I have seen hybrids (X zonata, mexicana, and ruthveni) but to me they don't offer ANYTHING over the real deal. Even the albino (from ruthveni) hasn't shown me much. I am sure we'll see more of those soon however. Just get one of the pure ones and if you don't love it--send it my way-- I'll make room!
:Mark

[gonesnakee]

Doh! As usual you guys get em way cheaper than we do. It's just not fair! LOL Mark I.

[MouseKilla]

It does seem we are in a sort of pocket market up here. Different prices for everything, not such a bad thing if you're a breeder up here I guess. I don't like paying the full market value on anything myself either, gotta deal with friends or prey on the desperate LOL! Of course if you do things that way you need to be really patient about getting what you want. On the other hand if you simply must have something then sometimes you have to just bite the bullet and pay those outrageous Canadian prices. So it goes.

[crimsonking]

Checking on that other site I noticed a few '03s for around $75. and a pair of '02s for $200. so that's about where they are right now. Someone up there should import some and create a market for 'em.
:Mark

[Ace]

They are no where near as cheap as the US prices quoted & I have my doubts about $30 US etc

Well, that is what I paid for mine ;). I admit it was a deal I couldn't turn down. The dealer was at a show starting to put his stuff away. I came up to his table, I picked her up and looked at her for a little, and he said he'd give her to me for $30!!! I took her before he changed his mind!!! LOL

The knoblochi are supposed to have the highest bandcount of any Mtn. King, making them the fancier more expensive ones

This is why I absolutely LOVE them!! That, and the incomplete banding gives them their awesome look!!

Mark: (CK) You didn't answer my first question yet!!! Are you going to breed your reduced this coming year, or do I have to wait another year? Lord knows you've been teasing me with them LONG enough!!! LOL

[crimsonking]

Ace, the ones I have won't go this year. I really should have brought them along a bit faster, but she's just not big enough to me and pyros in general take a while. I may just get her mom though in a deal from a friend. We'll see.... Besides.. how could I get rid of any?
:Mark

[Ace]

Besides.. how could I get rid of any?

NO!!! You can't do that to me!!! LOL

[crimsonking]

Remember, Santa is watching you!
:Mark

[Ace]

I'LL BE GOOD! I'LL BE GOOD! I PROMISE!! :D