Breeding Questions (panther)

[meow_mix450]

Hello guys

I've been bored, surfing around trying to learn more about chameleons, but some i can't find, but if you got the time cn you guys help me answer some questions i've been wondering bout. lol wow im really a nerd, i shouold like go do something lol. Dont laugh cause i got some real crazy questions.

1. Has anyone heard of veiled chameleon and a Panther(anytype) breed together???

2. I heard that Trace and choriona were talking about females, and does it matter what kind of speices, breed together???(ex.nosy b with a ambanja). I'm new to these females, and breeding just want to learn more

3. Are there any sites that, explains, how nosy b breeds or any type???

4.One last question, is it possible for a female and a male to live together???for both veiled and panther

Im sorry there are some stupid questions, but i cant find them lol hope you guys could help me, i lways try to learn something new


Meow

[Trace]

1: No. I don't think it's possible.

2: You can breed any locale of Panther Chameleon together. Most "nerdy" chameleon people like myself try to keep the locales pure though by breeding Nosy's to Nosy's etc.

3: Are you looking for some chameleon porn? wink wink nudge nudge. If not, check out this site: http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/fpardalis.html

4: No. Ummm.... the males generally have one thing, and one thing only on their minds in the presence of a female. If placed together he will constantly try and mate with her and this just causes far too much stress on the females.

Cheers!

Trace

[gfisher2002]

Hey, I thought I've heard something about wild Nosey Be and Ambanjas mating succesfully. But captives have poor success rate of offspring. I don't remember where I read this but does it sound right?

[Brock]

1. Has anyone heard of veiled chameleon and a Panther(anytype) breed together???

A: That is what defines a species: the failure to interbreed. When two organisms can no longer interbreed, they must be classified as a new species. There are, however, some locales that have been so isolated over time through geographical barriers that restrict interbreeding and they change only slightly enough to produce maybe hybrids or just sterile offspring, their chromosomes will never match up to either of the parent organisms.

2. I heard that Trace and choriona were talking about females, and does it matter what kind of speices, breed together???(ex.nosy b with a ambanja). I'm new to these females, and breeding just want to learn more

A: There are some rules to follow to respect the hobby. Poison arrow frog keepers tend to be the most strict with hybridizing because their numbers are so limited that they want to keep them pure to their natural state. With pardalis locales there are as many or more possibilities with potential morphs as there are with leopard geckos. There should be a mutual respect between breeder and buyer though. If you cannot guarantee the locale/morph of your panther you HAVE TO label it as a cross and possible sterile. I have heard of people getting swindled out of thousands of dollars because their sambavas were really sambavaXdiego suarez. It's more of an ethical thing, my personal opinion is that hey why not, I'm sure the morphs that will be around in 10 years will be radical to those we have now.

3. Are there any sites that, explains, how nosy b breeds or any type???

A: Yeah what Trace said.

4.One last question, is it possible for a female and a male to live together???for both veiled and panther

A: Yes. I have seen it done in a 1.2 ratio for veileds. I have heard of 1.1-1.3 ratios for panthers, and I have even heard of a 1.0 panther and 1.0 quadricornus living in very close proximity in a free-range setup with 0 problems. You have to give them adequate space and feed them individually and monitor and take notes on individual behaviours so you can see changes in diet, breeding, aggressiveness, basking habits, drinking habits, eating habits, anything and everything, where they spend most of their time, their colours(stress) and anything else you can think of. You have to pair them according to their individual personalities. And you have to have them housed together off at an early age.
It's almost the same as having cats and dogs live together.
Montane species are more adept to living in colonies, although some aggression has been cautioned. I would only recommend an experienced chameleon keeper with 5-8+ years of dealing with many chameleons should ever even attempting colonial housing with panthers or veileds. Montanes are a bit easier to pull off though.

-Brock

[gfisher2002]

Wow, very informative Brock! Thanks for askin the questions meow, I've often wondered about those things too.

[meow_mix450]

Wow lol we learn something new everyday thanks guys

Meow

[meow_mix450]

Where can you buy females, like there never at the shows

Meow