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jaybox_reptiles
11-21-03, 12:44 PM
Hi all I live in texass as some of you might no but the cops are trying to take me away from my parents becaus i voiced my opinoin to a teacher without a single cus word or scream ( sept the teach) now i am just wondering what all of you thought about this stupid situation ???
lizardmom
11-21-03, 12:46 PM
hmmm, well i got 3 kids and we do not have stuff happening here, is there more to this ... hope you do stand up 4 yourself
lizardmom
GO STARS
jaybox_reptiles
11-21-03, 12:49 PM
Well i got into it with a teacher cus he acused me of stilling a clip that my DAD got for me from his office and he didnt belive me so now they are trying to send me to the youth senter and im not going to do it
a clip? Like ammunition?
I know the feeling. I go to a catholic school and I was asked to write down my opinions on the christian/catholic faith and I basically went against everything they believed in with logical points of fact. What was supposed to be private (between me and the teacher that assigned it to me) turned into a public fiasco and they called my parents, all the teachers knew, all the students knew and they wanted to get a priest in so I could go to confession. I had to agree not to give my individual opinions anymore in return for graduating from that school, no point leaving half way through gr12.
But now I know how Jesus felt when he went against what the masses believed.
Just stand up for yourself and use logic/common sense. Always remember to ask the question 'Why?'.
-Brock
WHy do you think this a regional problem? This kinda stuff happens everywhere. I had an altercation with a teacher in my grade 7 class 15 odd years ago, which eventually led to her being let go. This stuff happens everywhere. Where there are schools, there will be teachers who shouldn't be teachers.
Derrick
11-22-03, 01:23 AM
Hmmm what do your parents have to say about the whole deal. They cant just send you to a youth center for getting in an argument with your teacher. I s this the first time something like this has happened? Either we are not getting the full story here or its BS. Also exactly how old are you?
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 10:20 AM
well Here in texas the government can send me to Drug rehab centrer even if ive never touched a drug in my life.......... I have been kicked out of the last 6 schools ive gone to and three of those were charter school ( work at your own pace) and then the other three were public schools and now im on my way to one more public school and hopfully ill get out of highscool with no more problems thx
Jay
snakehunter
11-22-03, 10:25 AM
there is a teacher who sexually harrassed a bunch ofmy female friends, my friend traced the messages to computers in the school, BUT hes the only teacher who knows ther email addresses and such, and he got away with it, the teacher is such a loser. he also sat all the girls in the front row, and turned th AC as cold as it gets.......for obvious reasons. hes a sicko, and i think he still lives with his mom
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 11:31 AM
my sycotic ISS tech wich i no vary well killed bolth his parent and the police killed him a couple of weeks ago
SCReptiles
11-22-03, 11:40 AM
Hi all I live in texass as some of you might no but the cops are trying to take me away from my parents becaus i voiced my opinoin to a teacher without a single cus word or scream ( sept the teach) now i am just wondering what all of you thought about this stupid situation ???
Do not perceive yourself as completely innocent here. You know full well that teachers are authority figures elevated by law, society, and tradition. In refusing to recognize your teacher’s authority, you brought this on. There are no authority figures that are beyond reproach, in fact some are wrong more then they are right, but you still respect their authority! This is the very fabric of society and I see why they have concern about you. If you are not emotionally developed enough to respect the authority of your teacher now, why should we expect you would respect the authority of our judicial system later?
Yeah, it sounds after hearing more about this, that the problem doesn't lie with the school, or Texas, or the teacher.
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by SCReptiles
Do not perceive yourself as completely innocent here. You know full well that teachers are authority figures elevated by law, society, and tradition. In refusing to recognize your teacher’s authority, you brought this on. There are no authority figures that are beyond reproach, in fact some are wrong more then they are right, but you still respect their authority! This is the very fabric of society and I see why they have concern about you. If you are not emotionally developed enough to respect the authority of your teacher now, why should we expect you would respect the authority of our judicial system later?
But i havent disrespected any one alls ive done is be vialated buy athority wich did not have to go to such extrem mesures of disapline on one stupid situation......... do u see what im gettin at ??? thx
Jay
Box
You mentioned that you've been kicked out of six schools. I'm guessing that all of those were also misunderstandings? The problem clearly lies with you, or are you just an innocent victim? Because every prison is filled with innocent people who were picked on by authority........
SCReptiles
11-22-03, 02:02 PM
You found yourself in disagreement with authority and decided to buck that authority. Perhaps you may have been in the right, I don’t know, but regardless you did not subject yourself to the authority that is ordained above you and that is why you are in trouble now. Personal responsibility is the key. Anytime I am having a problem, I look at all the thing I did to bring it about and all the things I can do to resolve it. Note the use of the word I. You can’t control what that teacher, or the law, or your parents will do, but you do control you. First thing you need to do is go see that teacher. Apologize. Tell him you thought you were in the right, but maybe you were mistaken and in either case you should have respected his authority and you will in the future. That will be the start to resolving this.
LISA127
11-22-03, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by SCReptiles
Do not perceive yourself as completely innocent here. You know full well that teachers are authority figures elevated by law, society, and tradition. In refusing to recognize your teacher’s authority, you brought this on. There are no authority figures that are beyond reproach, in fact some are wrong more then they are right, but you still respect their authority! This is the very fabric of society and I see why they have concern about you. If you are not emotionally developed enough to respect the authority of your teacher now, why should we expect you would respect the authority of our judicial system later?
I'm in total agreement!
Derrick
11-22-03, 03:53 PM
By what you have told us here I'ld have to label you a subversive trouble maker or "rebel without a clue/cause". I have a sister who was a lot like you. "It was always the teachers fault never hers." More kids are behaving like this than ever before. We've all had Crappy teachers but you gain nothing by raising a stink. What you do it work your @$$ off get a good job and laugh about them after you're out of there.
Now there are also a lot of good/great teachers out there too, when shown a little respect they will go far above thier mandiate to help you succeed.
hehe and dont forget the hotties it doesnt really matter what they are sayin or doing it was always a pleasure to be in thier class:D.
If I had a chanse I'ld do it all over again.
If you've been kicked out of 6 schools, I highly doubt that you're just a poor little innocent victim being smited by everyone you meet. Like Chuck said... you may have been right and you may have been wrong, it doesn't matter. If you want to talk back to your teachers expect to get reprimanded for it. It seems you don't know how to control yourself (I've heard you say before that you don't take sh*t from teachers...) and I think you need to learn how to control your attitude, or you'll end up some place you really don't want to be.
Zoe
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 04:06 PM
Well actualy all of the teachers from from 3 of the schools that i had trouble in have been fired for horassment and neglagence to teach so if that dosent say somthing to yall then i dont no what dose Thx
Jay
Derrick
11-22-03, 04:09 PM
So how do your parents handle all this crap?
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 04:11 PM
They yell they cry they yell they cry then they pull me out ( or get kicked out) and try another school but this next school if it dont work then i will not have a education
Regardless, you still need to keep your attitude in check. Whether your teachers are actually convicted murders or rapists or whatever you claim them to be, you need to control yourself. I doubt that all their students have a problem with them, so why do you? And why is it you have a run in with a runin with a rapist or a parent murder at every school you go to? Sounds like you go looking for trouble to me.
A bit of advice: at your NEXT school, sit your butt down, be quiet, don't talk back. If you do that, I bet no evil molester will be targetting you anymore.
Zoe
And bringing ammo to school? That isn't cool... what did you expect? "Oh good, did you bring the gun too? Want to have firing practice in class?" If any student in my school brought a clip to class I would certainly hope he would get kicked out, too.
Zoe
SCReptiles
11-22-03, 04:37 PM
Well actualy all of the teachers from from 3 of the schools that i had trouble in have been fired for horassment and neglagence to teach so if that dosent say somthing to yall then i dont no what dose Thx
You can throw up excuses all day long Jay. Perhaps that makes you feel better, but does that keep you out of reform school? Nope! What will keep you out is learning to respect authority even when you do not agree with it. Man, I butt head with Jeff and some of the others even here. There are things I like to talk about that they will not allow. Who do I hurt if continue to buck the authority? Only myself. Who are you hurting? Only yourself. That teacher will not loose a wink of sleep if they ship you off. The burden is on you to make this right, and you better do it Monday. I have already told you what to do, now go do it.
Most schools have an automatic zero tolerance for any sort of weapon or ammunition. specially after columbine. while i think zero tolerance is usually a bad idea, in the case of possession of guns, gun parts or ammunition at a school is one time I actually agree with the zero thought zero tolerance rules. You think your school is bad, try a military academy.
LISA127
11-22-03, 05:02 PM
why would u take ammo to school, and why would your dad give it to you?????
Originally posted by LISA127
why would u take ammo to school, and why would your dad give it to you?????
he's in texas, they come out of the womb shooting pistols with both hands...
SCReptiles
11-22-03, 05:24 PM
Lisa, the clip is not the issue here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I could shot by the time I could walk and yes my father gave it to me. When I was in first grade I took some shot gun shells to school, wasn’t a big deal back then, but my grandfather still beat the hell out of me. I knew better when I done it, just thought I wouldn’t get caught. And when I did, I knew it was my fault. And when I got my butt kicked for it, I never did it again. Jay doesn’t seem to comprehend that he has to take responsibility for what he does and be in subjection to authority. Man, its cool you can shoot. I love it! But in today’s Democrat controlled schools, you can’t carry that hobby into there. I think you knew better as well. You got caught, now cowboy up and take your punishment. You know it’s your fault!!!
LISA127
11-22-03, 05:31 PM
well, that's exactly my point. His father and him should know that nowadays that kind of thing can not be taken to school! I run a latchkey program at the local elementary school, and I'm not even allowed to let the kids make toy guns out of legos! In this day and age, you can not bring ammo to school and expect it to be taken lightly!!!
Guy, open your eyes, you brought ammo to school, cussed a teacher, been kicked from a few other schools, face it man, the worlds not messed up, you're messin' yourself up man. Seriosuly, you need an education... at least highschool man...
Brighten up. I dont think you want to continue lookin' at your parents cry because of **** that you dug yourself into do you...
Mike
Lisa, no need to stereotype...
Mike
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 06:56 PM
Will some one please quote were i said i brought ammo to school cuz i have no clue what yall are talking about thx
Jay
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 07:07 PM
Oh i c what you mean buy clip.... i was talking about a big clip to hold papers together that my dad got me from his office this is just a big missunderstanding no wonder you all think im a ******** texan lol
This is the kind of clip im talking about ( just a bigger one)
http://ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/2614Clip.jpg
there has to be more to the story, i can't believe any teacher is going to have you kicked out of school or suspended for having or even thinking you stole something that costs a total of what, $0.25 at any store???
maiden_canada
11-22-03, 07:19 PM
yeah why do you ask us for help or whatever you're asking for, if you do't even tell us the whole story. you don't get taken from your parents or kicked out of school for having a big paper clip. if your teacher thought u stole it your dad could just have said he gave it to you. big deal
Emily-Fisher
11-22-03, 07:26 PM
Wow, it's amusing to watch somebody come here, ask us for help, and then make up excuses whenever we try to help him....
Emily-Fisher
11-22-03, 07:32 PM
Also, why would a teacher get pissed at a kid for stealing a clip? In my opinion, there's more behind your story...
I bet the story is probably more like this..
A teacher accused me of stealing his paperclip and I got pissed at him for accusing me so I started cussing and acting up to him.
Doesn't that story make a bit more sense?
I suggest that you get your act together and don't blame other people for things that have happened in the past. if you had something to do with the situation, then you have to help it get fixed.
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 07:44 PM
Ok you no what i dont f*ucking get you people... you just dont understand this situation im in... all my life i have been accused of being a bad kid because i am a bit of a rebble and im the kid whos not scared of his own F*ucking shadow and i do voive my opoinon but i swear to God in this situation there was no voice raising or cussing comming from me i just simply tryed to expane my pov and nobody realy gave a Rats @ss so i thought i would bring the situation here for a little bit of help and some one to see my side of the story but i guess i was wrong..... and how old are you emily fisher like 9 or 10 i really dont think you would no too much about the high school terrior im facing thx
Jay
guy, obviously somethin' went wrong, maybe you loked at her somehow, you're obviosuly gonna get targetted if you been kicked from a few other schools man, it happens like that... you just gotta chill for a bit and tell us the entire story, theres obviously somethin' we didn't know... for one, we didn't know it was a paper clip, but now it being a paper clip, somethin' else is missin'... fill us in bro, we will wanna help ya out
Mike
Jaybox....
Maybe if you had spent a little more time paying attention to your teachers (like the ones that teach english for example) and less time fighting with them and their authority, you would not have gotten kicked out of 6 schools already. Anymore it is not so much what you do, but how you do it.
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 08:43 PM
Ok this is going to be long and boring and hard to read lol
Ok it all started in the 3 grade when a 6th grade frind Talked me into spray painting the school( I no it was my disicion that no one chose it for me) Well i got in alot of trouble for that one but then when that was all over i got into little bits of trouble ( talking in class,being late, not doing what i was told you no little stuff like that) then i got into the 6th grade and there were these two 12foot tall rullers in the cort yard so we started jump up and kicking them to see how high we coould get and Suposivly we dented them up and they charged us with distroction of school proporty so they sent me to a alternative juvinal education program for 3 weeks called ACES well i completed the program and then i started juniour high wich you no i got dsitintion and iss for fighting ect... and then i got into it with one of the teachers and cussed him out ( wich was a big mistake) and i got all kinds off trouble and started home schooling then i started another alternative program called south plains academy and now i am faced with getting kicked out of there ( althoug there wer a couple other schools i had problems with this is the most part of the story thx
Jay
AshleyL
11-22-03, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by mykee
You mentioned that you've been kicked out of six schools. I'm guessing that all of those were also misunderstandings? The problem clearly lies with you, or are you just an innocent victim? Because every prison is filled with innocent people who were picked on by authority........
I agree, maybe you should look at what you're doing in order to be kicked out of that many schools. Anyone can have an issue with an authority figure, but maybe its time for you to realise that you might not be a victim, but the aggressor.
because i am a bit of a rebble and im the kid whos not scared of his own F*ucking shadow
Aww is the poor baby being targetted by all the evil people in the world?
Maybe you should STOP being a silly little rebel with a big mouth and an attitude. I find it VERY hard to believe that your brought a little paper clip to school and that's why you're getting expelled. That just doesn't make sense.
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 09:11 PM
ok people the theft law in texas is really big and it wasent me bringing the paper clip it was the fact that they say i stole it
well... i sorta see where you're comin' from , my dad travels to texas and he says its pretty crazy down there, basic things have chips in them and **** like that... see dude, you've been targetted, you've had a sticker placed on you sayin' trouble, slammed for everything that goes wrong and looked at as a potential... gotta get outta it
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 09:18 PM
im glade some one sees my pov thx Dozer
LISA127
11-22-03, 09:23 PM
lol......a paper clip? come on, that doesn't even make sense. if it's just a paperclip we are talking about, then that says even more that it was your attitude and language towards the teacher that got you into trouble. i'm sorry, but kids need to learn to respect adults, all adults, a little more nowadays....
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 09:39 PM
Thats is exactly what im saying i was respectfull but alls they cared about is thinking i jaked the clip form the you see???
so get over it... if you've been branded as a troublemaker (which is your fault, by the way) then you have to deal with it and have twice the respect for your teachers that other people have.
Zoe
I was kicked out of every high school i went to, i ended up in Alternative Education and was kicked out of that as well.. Back then, i thought i was being picked on and that none of what happend was my own fault, but now, when i look back on it, i know that i was an idiot and that it was infact my own fault for what happened. You might think now that you're being wrongfully accused, but i doubt that's the case. Not just anyone can walk off the street and get a job at your school as a teacher.. And i hardly think that a teacher would just accuse you of stealing a paper clip.. I think the teacher would rather just forget about something so miniscule then sit there and accuse a 15 year old of stealing something that can be replaced by returning a beer bottle.. If you don't want things like this to continue while you're in school, lose the 'i don't take sh*t from anyone' attitude, you'll find that you'll make it a lot further in school and life...
Jay, you better hope to HELL that one of your parents smartens up and puts you either in reform school or military school to get you straightened out before the only institution that you'll see the inside of is a prison. I've seen kids like you before, hell, I've even known a few. One is dead. One is in jail, and one is a bum who is, quite honestly a waste of life. Which path do you think you'll lead?
jaybox_reptiles
11-22-03, 10:24 PM
i want to be succesfull but i dont no im all confused
RachelS.
11-22-03, 10:27 PM
Listen to everyone's advice here, I can't give it any better than them, especially since they've actually lived. Straighten up, that's all I'm gonna say for now.
Emily-Fisher
11-22-03, 10:30 PM
how old are you emily fisher like 9 or 10 i really dont think you would no too much
So basically, you're saying that just because I am a bit younger than some of the other members of the site, my input doesn't matter as much? I suggest that when someone who is more mature than you (even if they are younger than you) tries to help, you don't go off assuming that my words are useless. You said that you needed advice. You didn't say that you needed advice from somebody who was older than you.
I don't see what is so confusing, but follow this advice:
Sit back, relax. Don't see everything as fight, or you'll spend your entire life making enemies when what you really need to make is friends. If someone judges you unfairly, big freaking deal, it's their problem and it won't affect you in the least unless you make it YOUR problem. Sure, some teachers aren't fair, but you need to deal with that, too; everyone does, and you don't see the rest of us getting kicked out of 6 or 7 schools. Lastly, just because someone else is bothering you, it doesn't mean you need to pick a fight with them; observe, stay calm, and learn from the situtation WITHOUT losing your nerve and mouthing off. Stick to your guns when you absolutely need to... but when you don't (and in this case, you DEFINITELY didn't need to - it would have been in your best interest to have stayed seated with your mouth CLOSED), it's okay to fold, to say you are wrong even if you don't think you are. It won't hurt you in the least.
Zoe
Oh, and I forgot to add:
Own up to your mistakes. If you screw up, if you're in the wrong, it's up to you as a mature person (if you want to be a mature person, anyway) to admit it. It will make others see you as the bigger person, the one who can't be bothered to make a big deal and a big scene everytime someone points out a mistake you've made. In short: grow up, be a man, and deal with adversity like a person, not a whiny little kid who says everyone is targetting him - because that will get you NOWHERE.
And certainly don't blame your problems on other people. Maybe you didn't start the fight, maybe you did... there's no sense in blaming all your troubles on the teachers, the schools, and more pathetic yet, your COUNTRY (because you live in such a fine one as the United States).
Zoe
SCReptiles
11-23-03, 11:23 AM
Jay, brother, understand that no one here is your enemy, we are only trying to help you and it seems you even perceive that we are out to get you. =) I can assure you I have been in more trouble then you can imagine. And I have been as big of a knucklehead as you are now. Man, if you don’t get that chip off your shoulder then you are in for a rough time. Those alternative schools are no joke. You can get your wig split in there. Stop worrying about things you can’t control and focus on what you can. Go to that teacher tomorrow and tell him exactly what I told you to. That will be the start of rectifying your short term problem. Your long term problems will take long term solutions. You have a rep as a trouble maker. Call yourself a rebel or whatever name makes you feel better, but it boils down to your inability to conform to the authority that is ordained over you. I don’t know what your parents are doing, I am guessing they used “time out” when you were coming up, but they need to keep their feet in your *** about 23 hours out of the day. If they are not going to do that, then you will have to step up and become a man without them. Take responsibility for your actions. You know the rules, if you break them accept your punishment. And furthermore, don’t break them! We all want to see you do well, but you surely aren’t with the attitude you have. And regardless of how old Emily is, you can learn from her. She is exceptional for her age. Her parents have done an amazing job!
jaybox_reptiles
11-23-03, 12:07 PM
Actually my parents have always displined me buy spanking or what ever you want to call it but finally it stopped hurting then they started taking stuf like frinds,phone,comp, etc awy from me but that didnt work ether but i do see you pov and i did apoligize for my rude behaviour to emily thx
Jay
SCReptiles
11-23-03, 01:17 PM
That was a very good start. Now go do the same thing with that teacher tomorrow and see if you do not get some positive results. Oh, and if it doesn’t hurt anymore, your father isn’t doing it right. Perhaps my dad could give him some advice. Ha ha ha ha
jaybox_reptiles
11-23-03, 02:31 PM
lol its cus i have no feeling in my rear becaus of a car accedent but on the low down my mom hits real hard expecially across the face with her ring lol
Jay
Tim and Julie B
11-23-03, 03:01 PM
Hi jaybox!
I can remember plenty of kids growing up that did one or two things wrong and were marked throughout school because of it. The things you said that you did wrong in school are typical. If everyone thought long and hard, I'm sure they are accountable for many such similar things too. How many of us got into trouble with an older kid? How many of us got into trouble for talking in class? Geez, my Mom got a letter home every couple of weeks cause I was a chatter box, until one teacher took the time to ask what I was discussing all of the time. The answer: I was helping my friends with work they didn't understand and were too embarrassed to ask for help with. Good teachers are few and far between, you know, the ones who get to know thier students and can take the good with the bad. I think that if you go to this new school you will need to hold your tongue. Just keep reminding yourself to keep your opinions to yourself and just do the school work. If you can hold out then you will graduate:D Sometimes you have to bite your tongue and keep quiet, even when you know the other person is wrong. Especially with teachers, cause all of your new ones will see your records and automatically judge you, but if you prove them wrong from day one, they will be surprised and give you the benefit of the doubt.
Julie
lilyskip
11-23-03, 08:05 PM
I think you've gotten some great advice so far, and LOTS of good advice from Chuck and Zoe--I'm not going to repeat it all. Just stop arguing with people. Even if you're trying to be respectful, it probably is interpreted different. It's not about pride or standing up for yourself when it's about something really trivial, and doing so will get you sent to a juvenile center.
and how old are you emily fisher like 9 or 10 i really dont think you would no too much about the high school terrior im facing thx
Listen. I know you must think that you are in hell right now or something (high school TERROR??), but the real world is about misunderstandings and respecting people who may be less intelligent than you. Emily may not know about 'high school terror,' but you have no idea what college stress is like, nor do either of us know what it's like to deal with a real job. Be humble, man...life doesn't end in high school, and you're not the only one who's ever had problems.
and how old are you emily fisher like 9 or 10 i really dont think you would no too much about the high school terrior im facing thx Wow, I didn't even see that before. You say you are respectful and such? Well THAT was just a stupid, ignorant comment... not to mention disrespectful. Do you talk to your teachers the same way you talk to people on this site? Well I'd kick you out, too!
Zoe
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 09:23 AM
What ever like i said i already apoligized to emily k
Jay
daver676
11-24-03, 10:02 AM
I think it's great to see a person as young as Emily know what respecting authority is all about. Gives my a little hope for the future. And trust me, if you can't get through high school, then your going to get a BIG wake up call when your actually on your own, whenever that will be...... (probably when your 35 with your attitude.)
Your going to have to put up with **** like this all your life, so get used to it. Be in the wrong for once and accept disciplne.
Soul_Reaper
11-24-03, 10:12 AM
Damn, this turned out to be a huge thread! From what i read, this kid is probably about 14 years old and thinks that the entire world is against him, i used to be like that.
Even though i am a drop out and i know for a fact that there's A LOT of bullshit happening within the educational system and teachers, at the same time there's a lot of good stuff and a lot of good teachers who are willing to teach and not opress.
Even still, just like Daver676 said, you are going to have to put up with a lot of sh*t all your life so get used to it. Grow up.
Dark_Angel_25
11-24-03, 10:26 AM
Personally I just want to say, that this isn't about apaerclip, mostly because you mentioned on one of your posts on this thread jaybox that they acuse you of drugs etc... are you sure you aren't talking about a ROACH clip they found on you?
Either way, everyone is right, the only way you will be treated like an adult, is to act like an adult. and starting to do it now, is a very good place. if you are so against authority, why not prove them wrong about you??
:)
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 10:33 AM
Dark Angel 25 What do you men buy roach clip they found on me???
Dark_Angel_25
11-24-03, 10:40 AM
Jaybox: it isn't important, and just so you know, a roach clip is drug paraphenalia. anyway it doesn't really matter like I said what you found if it was a paper clip or not, what is important is you recognize the problems you are having, and actively try to fix it :)
daver676
11-24-03, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by jaybox_reptiles
Dark Angel 25 What do you men buy roach clip they found on me???
LOL! What did this "clip" smell like?
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 10:46 AM
I dont no what no ones talking about when i said that they could send me to drug rehab even if ive never tutched a drug i was just saying that is how our system works like heres another exp: they could charge me with MIP even if i wasnt drinking the beer
Dark_Angel_25
11-24-03, 12:30 PM
oh, ok then, I just must have mis-understood you, I apologize.
It's so simple.
Buck up. Sit down. Shut up. Do the work the teacher tells you to. Keep your mouth shut in class. Do homework.
Presto!
Marisa
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 01:28 PM
Darek angel its kool most people mis undrstand what i say because i am dyslexic and dont spell good and put things in sintences all mest up so it all cool thx
Jay
daver676
11-24-03, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by marisa
It's so simple.
Buck up. Sit down. Shut up. Do the work the teacher tells you to. Keep your mouth shut in class.
Is it wrong that I'm totally turned on by this? :p
Well, different country, different system, different values, but I do hear what you're saying Jay. I read all your posts, and I don't see a rebellious kid, I see a cry for help. If you were a true, out-and-out hardcase rebel, like people are saying, then I don't think you'd bother to come here asking for help, and arguing your corner. You wouldn't care what other people thought!
I think that what people for the most part are saying is right, but I also know that KNOWING what the right thing is and DOING it are two different things, and DOING it is a lot, lot harder.
Especially when you're already looking up out of a big, deep black hole, even if you know it's the hole you've dug yourself!
Here's my input - I was a rebel when at school, rejected teachers' authority in all sorts of ways, I was unpopular, picked on, by both teachers and other students (some of my most humiliating and hurtful memories are from teachers bullying, not other kids), and I generally hated the world.
What I didn't realise then was that my reaction to the stuff around me made me into an unlikeable person, which made more unpleasant stuff happen, which made me react badly, which made me even more unlikeable.
It's a spiral, down, and it doesn't stop until you find that switch inside yourself which helps you to change the way you see things.
So what's that switch gonna be?
How can you look at all the stuff that you feel is really cr@p and see it in a different, more positive way?
What worked for me was realising that 'playing the game' instead of trying to fight it could also be a buzz, a challenge.
I started being helpful. I can't say I ever did a huge amount of schoolwork, but I did enough to get by. But I befriended one or two teachers, and impressed them, and then they're more likely to stand up for you in tight situations.
Showing a good attitude probably achieves more than doing loads of schoolwork - you will be excused poor work if they believe you have tried your very, very hardest!!!
I changed my attitude when I was 16. This approach got me through the rest of my education, got me a college place (which was the best fun I ever had!), and has got me several fairly high powered jobs, and everyday I deal with people who I think are wrong, or stupid, or nasty, or whatever, but I still 'play the game'. And even when the other person thinks they've won, or they think it was all their idea, I win, because the job gets done because of the work that I've done, and I get reward and recognition.
And all those people at school, who caused me so much heartache? Well I've probably achieved more than most of them!!! Now that's funny!
So all I'm suggesting is play along for a while, and see where that gets you. Sometimes you have to bite back the things you wanna say, but just remember that can put you in a position of greater power in the longer term. You don't see poker players shouting their opinions out loud, do you? Silence can be the strongest weapon, sometimes, and a few, carefully chosen words are priceless.
Sorry for going on a bit too long,
Briggy
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 01:46 PM
Hey brig i dont think you went too long at all i really enjoyed reading that post and i think i got some good info out of it thinks
Jay
SCReptiles
11-24-03, 02:12 PM
You talk to your teacher today?
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 02:30 PM
Im out of school this whole week for thanksgiving but tomarrow i have to go in for some testing so i will talk to him then thx
Jay
SCReptiles
11-24-03, 03:18 PM
Good luck! =)
thirdangel
11-24-03, 03:58 PM
The meaning of any communication lies in the response. Simply put, if you get into trouble because of what was said, and it happens continually, it is because of the way in which you are doing it. It is obvious that they do not receive the message as reasonable. The words may not have been curses, but the attitude and tone of your voice make up 85% of the communication - the actual words only 15%. Thus, if you want people (authority or not) to treat you better, take responsibility for the message that they get -- the way you're doing it isn't working -- try something else.
boasnpythons03
11-24-03, 04:06 PM
Hey jay,
Glad to see your getting smarter with your ways, i know what your talking about exactly. Infact i got kicked out of my middle school for something that i didnt think i did, but when i sat there and thought about it, it scared the **** outta me because it all sunk in, and i knew that even though i may not have done that one thing, enough led up to it that i was screwed anyway. I knew if i stayed with the "I dont give a *hit about what you think" thoughts, my life wasn't going anywhere.
I dont know what age you are, but i am 14 and doing well now without the attd. If you just loose it you will get so much further in life, not to mention you will be happier.
Also, just in case you think you are a "rebel" and people look at you like that. Dont forget you are only 1 person out of 8 billon or so, nobody really cares about wtf you do, they can just dump you as for them it will be one less jerk to deal with, infact they are probably happy your gone for awhile. If you think its cool to be like that its really isn't, you really just look like a gaint *sshole.
All i am saying is that im glad your getting it, or your acting like you are.
Either way your still making a step and thats great!
A good way to deal with teachers, is just do the class, and do well you dont even need to talk to them. You will probably never have a class with them again anyways and if you pulled a good grade through there class, you showed them!
Thats just my .02 im sure some will disagree with it but thats how im getting through it.
wow this is a really intresting conversation firstly to jay we've all experinced what ur going through in one form or another but we all have to accept it u can fight authority but it won;t get u anywhere but the street its really good start to go appoligize to your teacher tommorow just keep at it prove them wrong that your not a bad guy so you've made a few mistakes in your life who hasen't your in a new skool now and u can get rid of your rep like everyone said buckle down and behave. i have had lots of teacher s just like yours who have judged me unfairly for my hair color. But u know u can;t do anything about just ignore it and get on with your life get an education u'll be out of higskool soon!
good luck with your teacher.:)
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 04:09 PM
Well Bnp im glad you were able to learn this at 14 i wich i would have lol but now im 16 and stuck with the record i got since 14 and 15 so thx for the help
Jay
Box
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 04:11 PM
oh and thx nicky
no prob tell us how it goes tommorow if u want its up to u
jaybox_reptiles
11-24-03, 04:14 PM
I definatly will
jaybox_reptiles
11-25-03, 02:54 PM
Hi all i talked to my teacher today and he was still and @ss even after i apoligized he said that he really didnt care what i thought and that i wont be going to that school no more any ways but o well at least i tryed right??? thx
Jay
Box
lol my sister went right up to a teacher and screamed stay the f*ck out of my life.
so there still gonna kick u out man i'd go talk to the principle if this teachers being suhc an ******* ya now to think of it 2we had subbly like that she was being a b*tch yelling at us cuz we were trying to tell her what the work was and she thought it was wrong some ppl acted up anyways afterwards i went up to her and told her the schedual that we always do and she yelled at me and then my friend asked to go to the bathroom cuz he was reakllly sick today and then she told him no so he got so sick ( throwing up) when he got back she hit him over the head then we all just got up and strated yelling at her about what the hell was that for and she told us all the shut the f*ck up and sit down anyways in the end i ended up telling her to f*ck off and left class 10 mins early with everyone and went to complain to the principle haven;t seen her since:D anyways sry got off topic you should go talk to your principle or something.
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