Snowcreams?? Searching for pics

[MouseKilla]

We're trying to breed for creamsicles by crossing a male Great Plains Rat and a Snow Corn. Mary v. has helped me understand how creamsicles are produced and that using the snow corn creates the potential for other hybrid morphs thanks to the second recessive trait (Anery.) thrown into the genetic mix. The way I understand it the first generation of hybrids will all be Rootbeers, these mated to eachother will produce more Rootbeers, Creamsicles (where the amel. gene is shown), and Snowcreams (where both amel. and anery. genes are shown). There must be another possible morph which shows the anery. gene but not the amel. but I don't know what the name of this morph is (if anyone knows?...). What I'm curious about is if anyone has a pic of a Snowcream (mary v. says it strongly resembles a snow corn), or knows where I might find one. I have searched all over and it seems they aren't very well known but I thought maybe one of the corn addicts on here may be able to help.

Thanks

[vanderkm]

There is a creamsicle group in the Yahoo groups (PM me for the link if you can't locate them) and if you join that you can check out a few (very few) photos of snowcremes in their photo gallery (Cynthia's snakes). They look identical to snow corns. The name snowcream or snowcreme is not in any way an official designation, just a means for creamsicle breeders to let buyers know that the snake is from creamsicle lines because they are intergrades and people don't want them to contaminate pure corn lines. I have not heard of a designation for the anery version - but there are a few others on the forum with creamsicles and rootbeers who may be able to help. I think the important thing is to make sure buyers know they are getting intergrades and not pure corns,

mary v.

[MouseKilla]

I can see how neglecting to tell someone that they are getting an intergrade could screw up a breeding project, that would be irritating wouldn't it? Thanks Mary for the lead on those pics, I'll be checking that out for sure.

[Simon]

Heres the photos of the snow creamsicles (frosted too)

<img src="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p7c1392b0ed8be819b0f186f65b8b70b5/faa1d6ee.jpg">

<img src="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/paf6fc162bd22bf8aceb99355d6210eee/faa1d6e3.jpg">

<img src="http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pbb3e16d269293da584adbc1b0022ebea/faa1d6d6.jpg">

Enjoy~

[MouseKilla]

Thanks man, I haven't been able to find even any mention of snowcreams anywhere but I knew the genes were there LOL! I found I couldn't navigate the Yahoo groups worth a damn (I've never used them before). Those are cool, the greyish pink color to them and the saddle shape on that one make me think of a BCI. Is there a market for these things at all? I know regular creamsicles bring a good price for a corn snake so are these things just less common or less popular?

[vanderkm]

Just a note that I believe as 'frosted creamsicles' or 'frosted snowcreams' these contain a percentage of grey ratsnake blood as well as great plains rat. They would be considered hybrids and not just intergrades. The grey ratsnake infusion is believed to be responsible for diffusing the saddle color, fading it out in the center, which is quite pronounced in these snows. Simon can correct me if I am wrong on these, but that was my understanding of 'frosted' lines of corns. It will be interesting to see how these mature - the 'frosted creamsicles' Simon has posted before are quite dramatically colored snakes,


mary v.

[reverendsterlin]

I thought it was anery b that made the frosted effect

[MouseKilla]

I didn't realize that's what frosted meant but whatever they are they're cool looking creatures. I assume that a non-frosted snowcream would have markings that are more typical of a corn but if you could come up with a way to breed a red tail on to one of those you'd have a Boa Corn morph for sure.

[Simon]

Mary is absolutely correct.
To get the frosted look in them they have bred the grey rats in it. Just to make the frosted looks in them.

There are some corns that have white body and red speckles. Those are called paradox corns. Going for quite high right now. But if you want to be in the lead of corn breeding those are a good things and genetics to start with. Interesting looks too~

[Dani33]

OMG Simon, you have the "BEST" corns! I am sooo jealous!