Crazy Hybrids

[Weather1]

I came across this site while looking for info on hybrids.

Some of these snakes look like they were made on photoshop. What do you think?

http://www.aaareptilesupply.com/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=CH_HYBRID

[marisa]

No i do not think they are fake. I have seen many photos of similar hybrids all over the kingsnake forum, especially by a certain few people with large large hybrid collections.

Crazy.

Marisa

[Weather1]

I would love to have a crazy hybrid collection like that.

[Simon]

oh those are all real~
those guys are really good people and are very informative~
I have seen a lot of hybrids that look like the ones that they have there~
but what I really want from them is the snow rosy boa~
hahahaha

[Weather1]

Simon...I'll go halfs with you on the snow rosy boa... and we can breed it here and splits the babies

[Simon]

sure!
haha
only if I can pull that half of the money out~
let me start selling blood and sell my whole collection and I might be able to gather half of what it's worth~
lol

[Scott Wahlberg]

My personal all Hybrids are wrong and should not be created no matter how beautiful they look.

[SerpentLust]

I'm with Scott, they are beautiful, but honestly leave well enough alone. Normal snakes are gorgeous without us messing with them. (But then that gets into the debates about selective breeding and such too ;) )

I do admit though, some of those hybrids are stunning

Jenn

[Weather1]

they are beautiful, but honestly leave well enough alone. Normal snakes are gorgeous without us messing with them. (But then that gets into the debates about selective breeding and such too )

I agree also, but I think we the herp community have already messed up alot of the colubrids. All the different morphs of corn, etc. How many of the morphs actually exsist in the wild?

[Simon]

Originally posted by Weather1
I agree also, but I think we the herp community have already messed up alot of the colubrids. All the different morphs of corn, etc. How many of the morphs actually exsist in the wild?

This is true.
But making hybrids is different from selective breeding and getting the genes out of their own kind. That is even if the wild there are possiblity of getting an albino corn in the wild. You don't see a king and a corn mating in the wild too much. Usually it's the kings that is making the meal out of a corn or something. So that is different. We make the kings all excited and want to breed and before it does we throw in a corn in and let them mate. So that is why we get these hybrids.

So I don't agree with hybrids at all too. The only closest hybrid that I can take is the rat x corn combo (which could even happen in the wild)

But of course to each one's liking~

[crucified]

http://www.chondroweb.com/DrFrankenstein/hybrids.htm

more crazy hybrids :/

[gonesnakee]

WOW, I'm extremely temped to ditch some other breeding projects & go hybrid crazy. I will seriously consider tying into some of them anyway whether I breed them or not. Mark I.

[Weather1]

Mark..I wish more people liked hybrids. I would love to get into some crazt breeding projects also

[JD@reptiles]

i see both sides of hybrids. one side is that they are SO amazing looking somtimes. but the other side is messing with nature. unnatrual snakes is wrong. its almost as bad as a clone. i think we should keep things the way God made them.

how would you like it if somone grabed you and made you breed with a gorilla?

Lol sorry couldn't resist.

Jordan

[Weather1]

Well look at all the hybrid (heinz 57) dogs that there are? Many current dog breeds were made by crossing several other breeds together. How they are even regestered with the CKC and AKC and many more organizations.

So I see nothing wrong with a Hybrid.

[JD@reptiles]

theres nothing right with dog hybrids either... i have a dog and its a purebred german shepard.

[Simon Sansom]

Hi folks,
Just to clarify a point...
Dog breeds are NOT hybrids. They are merely the same specie bred and genetically manipulated by humans for whatever traits found useful or appealing.
A Great Dane and a Chihuahua are the SAME specie, but are extreme examples of the genetic plasticity of the animal.

Cheers!

Simon

[Beardonicus]

I personally don't think that the argument of "keeping things natural" is a good one when debating hybridization. Sure, its not "natural" but neither is collecting snakes from the wild, keeping them in rubbermaids and feeding them frozen/thawed rodents. See where I'm going? Humans have changed the face of the planet so much that there aren't too many examples of things that are "natural" anymore. I don't have a problem with hybrids, but I don't think they are better than sliced bread either.

[Weather1]

Well said Beardonicus..

[Jeff_Favelle]

Seems a little expensive for a bunch of colubrids.


:D

[reverendsterlin]

well, I'm not big on mixing locales of a species and the possibility of unscrupulous dealers selling animals as pures in hybrids is always there. But for the breeders selling his animals as what they are or for personal collection doesn't bother me. I'm even thinking of trying for a 50/50 sayiXgutata.

[marisa]

HAHAHA Jeff you are so mean to the colubrids. I am going to have to name my next bitey one after you. lol.

Marisa

[JD@reptiles]

colubrids are so awesom! all boas and pythons are the same... all have heads the shape of bicycle seats. :p

[althena]

Neat looking, but I'm definitely not a fan of hybrids.

[MouseKilla]

So I take it all those out there that are against hybridization are in favour of inbreeding? It seems to me that those are the choices you have in captivity. You can stick to strict, locality specific breeding (which amounts to inbreeding to a degree because there are only so many from any given locality in captivity to go around) or you can have the sort of captive genetics anarchy we see in corn snakes. The lesson here, I think, is that what occurs in captive populations is completely removed, it's seperate from, nature and wild populations. One has nothing to do with the other. Even if you have a "genetically pure" animal in captivity you must not release it into the wild population (for about a thousand reasons!), the same is obviously true for weird morphs and hybrids. Another thing to think about is that while there is a level of genetic elasticity in snakes and other animals it is not limitless. You can make all different sorts of crossbred dogs and snakes but you can't cross the snake and the dog. You can only cross animals with genes that are compatible, if they aren't compatible enough the animals will produce either sterile offspring or none at all. Some people worry about playing God, I think we flatter ourselves to think we are able to.

[Chair]

Well said MouseKilla

[Will]

Just out of curiosity, what are those mixes (Candy Clowns, Carpet Kings, Sunflower Kings, etc.)...? And who the h*ll chooses those names, lol :D.

Never been into the hybrids to be honest - there's just a little bit of "fakeness" to their colors if you get my drift. But they do look very... ummm... unusual, I guess....

And are those prices in USD...? :bugged:

[Oliverian]

A Great Dane and a Chihuahua are the SAME specie, but are extreme examples of the genetic plasticity of the animal. True, but try and remember also that the entire species classification system was created by us. We could say that corns, kings, and milks are all the extreme examples of the same species, but we have classified them differently, and so believe differently. Personally I don't think dog breeds that can't breed with each other are all that close of species, either. (like chihuahas and danes.) These colubrids can still breed with each other, so in my mind at least, they are more closely related species-wise than the dogs who can't breed.
My .02
-TammyR

[lizardmom]

i love the hybrids, hey ,it is the snakes doing the breeding- not us, so what they do is what we see in offspring.it is still nature.. breeding, is natural.
lizardmom

[Weather1]

And are those prices in USD...? YES!!!

what are those mixes (Candy Clowns, Carpet Kings, Sunflower Kings, etc.)...? And who the h*ll chooses those names

Most of the mixes involve cornxmilks, kingsxcorns, kingsxkings, and any other combination you can dream up.

If you are the first to produce a new morph (for lack of better words) thenyou can mane it what ever you want. *I Think*:cool: